I never want to stall with a stack, on the bubble with less than 10 BB's I'm stalling all day lol. With a stack I want the blinds to get around as quick aspkossible to chip away at the short stacks. Also a good opportunity to steal some extra chips.
If a big stack is using the timer and isn't having internet problems or playing in multiple games, it doesn't make sense to me either. I'm guessing that they are a newer player and afraid. This practice only reduces the amount of hands they may be able to play and the possibility for a killer hand. In my opinion slow play will reduce their stacks faster than if they would just play the hand quicker. I guess to each his own!
MikeCarasone said:
I read this story too with lilholdem a while ago. Great but also dangerous since maybe sometimes he will bubble himself by not busting those shortstacks. A small run of bad cards is enough as we know😉
Hi, Everyone! I think, the all depend from specific situation: I mean, if every time I'm starting don't hit in the prize zone
in the tournaments, when me knocked out the any garbage on the bubble or near, and my bankroll gradually become all less
and less: this means I hit in "downstreak", and need sometimes wait out, and therefore may play more carefully and more thoughtful
in this condition and such situations, that to start to get into money again, that to jump through my"black streak" with the most less losses and thus preserving your bankroll, and in the further consistently build up his again by possibility... I think, this is call
balanced management own bankroll.😎
in the tournaments, when me knocked out the any garbage on the bubble or near, and my bankroll gradually become all less
and less: this means I hit in "downstreak", and need sometimes wait out, and therefore may play more carefully and more thoughtful
in this condition and such situations, that to start to get into money again, that to jump through my"black streak" with the most less losses and thus preserving your bankroll, and in the further consistently build up his again by possibility... I think, this is call
balanced management own bankroll.😎
This always happens, it is a normal thing, poker sites cannot punish this.
NBDG8477 said:
I disagree, even stalling with a short stack is a mistake in my opinion. You are reducing your hands per hour and therefore reducing your chances of getting a hand strong enough to build your stack.
With the exception of all-in to call holding a hand you can't fold on the bubble, in this instance when you're short of course you're going to use all time bank to see if the bubble burst before you call.
Other than that, don't stall. You're hurting yourself probably more than anyone else.
I hate it but its a part of the game. Don't give me extra time if you don't want me to use it. I had a player once that from the start let every hand go down to 0. People complained in chat and he said this is how he makes the money and we should thank him for helping us too.
I agree that stalling can be maddening around the bubble from the big stack. But also agree that there could be a lot of factors. For example i have satellite internet and sometimes my connection is poor so I'll click and it takes a bit to go through. Sometimes a person multi tabling has a few other tables with action going on so that takes a bit. But in reality what do i know I'm usually a shorty tanking to squeeze ITM lol.
I hate when it happens but can understand I guess. If the money is that important to them so be it but it does give us the advantage to steal there chips. You might be surprised what they will fold just to make the money. In a live game once I push someone all in on the bubble and they quickly showed what was being folding in the BB. Pocket Queens. I insta call there and they insta folded.
I have seen big stacks try to stall when the blinds are not quite big enough to put a player all in and want to make a short stick hit the next level of blinds. About the only thing I can think of.
The other option, and I will say that I think that this is a form of collusion and should not be allowed, is that they have a friend at the table that they are stalling for to get them into the money as well.
The other option, and I will say that I think that this is a form of collusion and should not be allowed, is that they have a friend at the table that they are stalling for to get them into the money as well.
CallmeFloppy said:
Its not possible to regulate things like this. Each player has a certain amount of time to act, and how much of that time he use, is completely up to him. Everyone else just need to wait their turn, and that is really all, there is to it 🙂
When I see a big stack stalling the clock, like the rest of the table, I figure they are just helping the small stack on their table get in the money. Would you rather have a stranger on another table make it in the money, or see someone on your table, who has been considerate the last hour win some of the prize pool.
The other thing is humans tend to act alike. If most everyone at the table is stalling, the chip leader will look like another one of the guys having similar behavior. You can do this test by folding at a certain point on the timer and watch others folding at the same point on the timer as the bubble approaches.
The other thing is humans tend to act alike. If most everyone at the table is stalling, the chip leader will look like another one of the guys having similar behavior. You can do this test by folding at a certain point on the timer and watch others folding at the same point on the timer as the bubble approaches.
I only use this tactic in a timed tourney format. Where you play for 1 hour and whoever is remaining cashes. The more chips you have the more you cash but something is better than nothing. I never stall in any other tournament format. Most money bubbles play hand for hand anyway so I don't see the benefit of this strategy. Just play push fold poker instead of stalling.
fundiver199 said:
I completely agree that its not something that can be regulated and not even something a site can try to curb since every player is allotted a certain amount of time to act.
However, my point remains, if the single reason (which can not be proven but each player understands their own reasoning for their own actions) to stall is to help a player other than themselves to make the money, then that would be a form of collusion and should be frowned upon.
Since this is not enforceable, I just hope that each person has enough integrity for the game to handle this appropriately on their own.
Stalling to get into the money is something you should never do. It is annoying for the other players at the table and you only make yourself lose. The goal of playing a tournament is not to just finish in the money. The goal is to win, right? So don't be occupied of what is happening at the other tables, focus on your own table and your own play.