turbo and hyper-turbo MTT strategy

This is my question. How plays turbo and especially hyper-turbo tournaments concerning starting hands and permanent all-ins(satellites with rebuys for example)? Is it really to win not only because of luck?

No, it's not all luck in the turbos and hyper turbos. You basically play the same way as a normal tourney. It's just that the blinds go up so fast that you can get down to a level of chips where you have a low "M" very quickly and you may have shove with marginal hands....Satellites with re-buys are no different than other tournaments, you should play as you normally would, so luck is no different in those. As far as "All in or Fold" tournaments, yes, those are almost 100% luck....All you have to decide is whether to go all in or fold. Not much skill in that! :hmmmm2:

dd_decker said:

No, it's not all luck in the turbos and hyper turbos. You basically play the same way as a normal tourney. It's just that the blinds go up so fast that you can get down to a level of chips where you have a low "M" very quickly and you may have shove with marginal hands....Satellites with re-buys are no different than other tournaments, you should play as you normally would, so luck is no different in those. As far as "All in or Fold" tournaments, yes, those are almost 100% luck....All you have to decide is whether to go all in or fold. Not much skill in that! :hmmmm2:

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but this unskilled tournament are so cheap
this push/folds MTT's converted poker into something similar to slot machines it's so sadly

Pandaaaaa88 said:

but this unskilled tournament are so cheap
this push/folds MTT's converted poker into something similar to slot machines it's so sadly

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Turbo and hyper's are skilled :s how do you get the idea there like slot machines? granted some bingo players do shove every hand.

With turbo's and hyper's there is less spots that you can play like following draws, set mining and such so you have to pretty much be aggressive with all your premium hands and muck marginal hands and draws unless you have a deep stack. With blinds increasing at the rate they do you can't afford to make many bad decisions before being in a ''any two cards will do'' stack


steff

You do need a great deal of luck to win a 1,000 player hyperturbos (like those 2 cent ones on Pokerstars), but the main way other than going all in and getting lucky for accumulating chips is blind stealing (especially short handed). I won a number of 45 man hyperturbos because I planned on just getting a big stack at the final table as much as I could (because you never want to be the shortstack in a hyperturbo) and shoving non premiums with 5BB (e.g. suited connectors).

at hyper turbo and turbo tournament are different from normal mtt.

differ in style of play, speed, and time to make a decision. They're inclined to make good decisions, because the ante and blinds can quickly eliminate you from the game.

Tulipaneiro said:

at hyper turbo and turbo tournament are different from normal mtt.

differ in style of play, speed, and time to make a decision. They're inclined to make good decisions, because the ante and blinds can quickly eliminate you from the game.

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ofcource, but theme is about strategy, not describtion)

Scrover said:

You do need a great deal of luck to win a 1,000 player hyperturbos (like those 2 cent ones on Pokerstars), but the main way other than going all in and getting lucky for accumulating chips is blind stealing (especially short handed). I won a number of 45 man hyperturbos because I planned on just getting a big stack at the final table as much as I could (because you never want to be the shortstack in a hyperturbo) and shoving non premiums with 5BB (e.g. suited connectors).

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I do agree.

When i started playing poker, i started for fun, with those 2 cents hyper turbos. With no skill whatsoever, i won the second place (well more like lost the first place) two times in one day and i played about 10-15 of those tournaments. Only luck. No skill. (i did do some nice bluffs, but still, no skill)

Another example: a friend of mine won a 1$ hyper turbo few days ago. That's the day i lost faith in God ) He has NO skill. Think of the most unskilled player you know, and triple that. That's how much skill he doesn't have, and still managed to win.

neverendingh said:

I do agree.

When i started playing poker, i started for fun, with those 2 cents hyper turbos. With no skill whatsoever, i won the second place (well more like lost the first place) two times in one day and i played about 10-15 of those tournaments. Only luck. No skill. (i did do some nice bluffs, but still, no skill)

Another example: a friend of mine won a 1$ hyper turbo few days ago. That's the day i lost faith in God ) He has NO skill. Think of the most unskilled player you know, and triple that. That's how much skill he doesn't have, and still managed to win.

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i try to play this 0.02 about 10 times and win 0.1$ only 1 time. It is poker horror guys)

Hyper turbo tournament its bingo play.All you need is luck

misko said:

Hyper turbo tournament its bingo play.All you need is luck

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agree but why guys invest money in this? Money above 100$, just for lucktesting?

misko said:

Hyper turbo tournament its bingo play.All you need is luck

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Lol, tell that to someone like Jorg95

I'd say it is more than just luck, but it is a whole different game than a regular speed MTT. and almost the polar opposite of a deepstacked slow blind event.

but I like the guy who said "it's poker horror guys" that is pretty much true if you are playing a TAG style...and if you're a newer player most all coaches and books will recommend a TAG style while you learn the ropes.

And also, if you're a newer player most all coaches and books will recommend "grinding" your way up through the lowest drudges of penny poker....which means you end up in these types of cheap hyper turbos that are terrible for a TAG style. Even if the TAG style manages to final table a decent % of the time to show a profit...the journey can be so infuriating!!! and what do you have to show for it? a couple bucks profit over hundreds of hours...meanwhile you've lost fistfulls of hair! now you're at -EV because of the high cost of Rogaine!

to play these, the buy in has to mean almost nothing to you and you have to have a strong stomach for flips, suckouts etc. you have to be willing to shove non-premium hands and fold pretty good hands.

ha ha I was laughing at myself today in one of these....

I found myself screaming "you Mother FRUCKER!!" at the screen (which if you knew me...I'm a nice, tranquil mom most the time. I can take a bad beat like a champ...)

this douche limp calls my button raise. I have JJ. I flop a set. he check calls my 2/3 pot flop bet.

turn completes a gutshot and he barfs his entire chipstack in the pot out of position, for like 5x the size of the pot.

I think to myself: "there's no way he called on the flop with a gutshot, but if he did, there's no way he'd overbet the nuts like this." so I call and...of course he did exactly that...jammed his whole stack in with the nuts and I called....so who's the idiot now? me...

but he's still a mother Frucker....

it`s not you the idiot u said he has called you 2/3 pot with a gutshot and then went all in i with 5 times the amount on table, and that is like 15 times the pot on the flop
he has about 4% to compleate the gutshot so it`s 1:25 and he wins 15 times so even if you call him everytime he`ll still be losing

Ive played about 1700 hyper turbo 1$ 180 mans with a 55% roi. 10bb I would open all in jam with A10 KQ and 77. Middle position with 10bb I would open jam a9s 55 kjs and in late position/sb I with 10bb I would open pretty lose any ace and any pair or any broadway. with about 5bb push anything playable from any position. Any king or ace any pair or any suited connector higher than 56s includes one gapers and maybe two gapers from any position on the small blind and late position you can pretty much push any two cards with 5bb or less you will be surprised how many folds you get. Going from 10bb to 5bb I will get looser and going from early position to late I will get looser. Remember if you have a big stack you push with the biggest stack in play so say you have 10bb and there is only 1 player left with two big blinds pretend you have 2bb and push. If someone pushes in front of you, you need to play tighter but not to much. look at there stack size and vp/pr. if tight player pushes from early position but has only 3bb don't be scared he is probly pushing wide and eventually you will get a feel of the range of someone pushing with 3bb etc etc and you can over shove if you think your hand is above that range same goes with loose players don't give them to much credit and don't ever be afraid to call there all in if you think your in front of there range. you want to aim for 1st or 2nd. so don't worry about busting out on the final table. Also you need to be able to handle watching your ak lose to hands like 57 a lot. a lot of the pots will be all in , with 3 or 4 opponents. You just need a good shove/fold game and a good feel of opponents range and there range will change on there size of there stack. a lot of the play is done with 5bb. don't ever fold for 1/3 of your stack. try to keep some fold equity. even 3bb is enough fold equity in these hypers because a lot of your oppnents will have 6bb or something and your 3bb threatens there stack. the 1$ hypers are incredibly soft if you know the push/fold game and have a good feel for opponents ranges and also can handle losing to rubbish all day. But I will I usually take down a 1st every day I play a lot tho. last sunday I took down 4 firsts in the 1$ hyper 180 man and also 3rd in $4.40 hotter

onemorechance said:

Lol, tell that to someone like Jorg95

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He already know that... And i think he plays sngs...

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As these are my main games...Overrall you must realize there is going to be a big luck factor in these games and be prepared to take bad beats...over time skill shows in these...One important thing is knowing your opponents..who's in the blinds when you shove in position and who is the shoved before calling off..at lower levels bad players won't shove wider when short stacked and you need to be aware of this...you can call off a lot lighter vs certain players however realize you need to be almost sure you are ahead...As for shoving (esp in hyper MTTs) you need to focus on position a lot..as blind stealing in these is extremely valuable...and at times you will be shoving ATC in LP...however just know you should be shoving wider than normal from the CO/SB/BU..Overrall I would recommend a push fold chart....a great one is the "Jennifear Push Fold Chart" ad it will defo help in turbo and hyper MTTs

Hypers are all about grinding the equity. Knowing when to call, when to shove, when to squeeze... Just angle shootin against people's equity. Turbos are close to the same except a little more poker involved.

I don't know how deal with this types of MTT.
But, that Jennifear Push Fold Chart will help me I guess.

I'm still thinking hyper-turbo depends on lucky more than regular MTT, cause you need to wait spots that you need to shove with a marginal hand.

misko said:

Hyper turbo tournament its bingo play.All you need is luck

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Play raise with AJ+ and 66+

Hyper turbo, is simple, if is satelite, we start with 500 chips, normally i shove any ace, any good king, and then depends, position its important, in some cases i shove suited conectors, and conectors to...
this type of tournament we play almost in short stack... So we need to apply some strategy.... I learn something of this with friedns of pokerstars jaime staples....

Playing hyper-turbos sometimes is like this: fold, fold, fold, all-in, all-in, fold, fold, all-in, you're out... :stupid:

Ya I am about to play the one for sunday goind to see how this goes starting stack 300 I think I am screwed lol

I not strongly love fast tournaments with a short stack, just because it is necessary to make the decision quickly! And also often it in ALL-In with not strongly good hand!