What does it take to win at poker in the long term?

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You have to have good luck. I don't care what people say about having skill. If you have bad luck constantly, you can't win.
 
I personally think if you are determined to achieve something you can do it. I strongly believe if you set your mind and heart to it and avoid making huge mistakes that can set you back you can do it with as little as $25. All you need is a patience, motivation and a lot of tourneys and cash games. One good buy in of a good tournament pay out could get you on a good bankroll..
 
Its obviously more difficult to win at higher stakes, because on average the competition will be better. So really what do you mean by winning long term? If you want to beat the 25c 45-90 man SNGs on Stars, that will only require some very basic understanding of the game. But if you want to beat 109$ MTTs like the Sunday Million, you will need a whole lot more.

In general there is a lot of material on the technical part of poker. What ranges and strategies to use, what playing styles etc. And for sure you need some of this, and the higher you play, they more you need.

But in reality there are other aspects, which are perhaps even more important. Tilt is a huge winrate killer, so working on your mental game is hugely important, and might be what separate good players from the truly great. And also game selection is important, although you cant do as much on that front in tournaments, as you can in cash games.

But if you take the 9. best player in the world and put him against the 8 best players, he will lose in the long run. So obviously who you play against is just as important as, how you play. To win long term you need to play against someone, who are worse than yourself, and that is really all, there is to it.
 
Doctor Strange: How do I get good at mystic arts.
Ancient One: How did you get good at being a surgent.
Doctor Strange: Study and practice, years of it.

Same applies to poker.
 
You looked at the gain side, now look at the lost side and you'll see small pockets don't help. Small pairs are usefull during the start of the tournament when calls & raise are small.
 
Patience, skill, luck and a lot of time to play, oh and of course$$$$ lol🙄
 
I’m assuming you’re a micro/low stakes player like most of us here but I don’t think GTO necessarily applies. Playing exploitively in micro/stakes is the far superior line.
But yeah, as already mentioned by previous posters, patience and emotional stability is probably the two things to win at poker long term.
 
Patience and determination. Your will to succeed must be great. But you should not rush to get some incomes. In MTTs, I always try not to play hands that i'am not certain to have some big chances of winning with. I call it small risk poker lol. When I'm not confident enough in my hand I fold automatically. Even when I have some nice hands, I never go all'in unless i'am 100% sure I will win. Don't rush!!
 
gday all...online poker usually has higher varaince..so key is patience,agressive spots,and as is any long tourney..win some flips...get some card luck....thanks darrell
 
1. knowledge and understanding of the game. 2. proper bankroll management. 3. play regularly to gain experience
 
joeisi said:
Doctor Strange: How do I get good at mystic arts.
Ancient One: How did you get good at being a surgent.
Doctor Strange: Study and practice, years of it.

Same applies to poker.
I think this should be applied in all things in life.
 
It takes the ability to be dedicated to the game, and a lot of time when you’re making your first run at being a pro player. That dedication means both playing a ton and studying a ton too.

When I first became pro I spent around 5 hours playing and 3 hours studying a day. First I’d review my hand histories and use software to look at a large number of the hands (even including the ones I was “sure” of). Once I had a lot of hands in my database, I reviewed the hands I had of winning regs in my games. I also read relevant books and articles, as well as watched poker videos of winning regs. In addition to all of this I’m not counting the hour plus I’d spend talking about poker hands to my husband haha, good thing we’re both poker players!

Best of luck, OP! [emoji4]
 
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To answer the question asked, playing consistent. Once you have your game dialed in, be consistent. As far as the tournament, did you have pot odds to play the low pocket pair? With a 2.5 BB bet it is yes, not consistent with pot odds. A J hand could go either way. Would like to have some history for a final check to call either instance there.
 
The answer to this question is very simple.... win more then you lose.

The problem with the simplicity of that anwser is there are so meny diffrent variables that come along with winning and losing you never really know what it takes to win more then lose. Unless you study.
 
I find you need to play poker for a long time to get better and to be profitable. A lot of professional players have backers. Somebody once said that not even the best players win all the time. Even Negreanu, in his vlogs , is still quite negative for this World Series. All it takes is a big win, at least that's what I tell myself. Anyway, from your examples your reads were right, or at least the first case- the fact that 8 came was pure luck. Technically, if you put the other player on a higher pair, it was a good fold.
 
GrannySmit77 said:
I find you need to play poker for a long time to get better and to be profitable. A lot of professional players have backers. Somebody once said that not even the best players win all the time. Even Negreanu, in his vlogs , is still quite negative for this World Series. All it takes is a big win, at least that's what I tell myself. Anyway, from your examples your reads were right, or at least the first case- the fact that 8 came was pure luck. Technically, if you put the other player on a higher pair, it was a good fold.
I think it's a misconception that you need one big win. One big win can help you climb the poker ladder but it won't make you pro. Poker is all about consistency and to be able to play your a-game even though you lost 10 buy-ins in a row and beat variance in the long run.
 
LarsLucidor said:
I think it's a misconception that you need one big win. One big win can help you climb the poker ladder but it won't make you pro. Poker is all about consistency and to be able to play your a-game even though you lost 10 buy-ins in a row and beat variance in the long run.

This is very true, and I think the misconception is mostly born out of a player winning a big televised tournament (sometimes seemingly out of nowhere) and then instantly becoming a poker pro. Of course some players win a big one and then put in the studying to really make being pro a reality versus it just happening in such a way that they declare they’re a pro after the win, without the chops to back it up. Have to imagine it doesn’t end well—bankroll wise—for a lot of those players that radically overestimate their own ability based on a single result.

Personally I’m way more impressed by a long-term winning track record of thousands and thousands of games! 🙂
 
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joeyvegasboi said:
Hey all,

I busted out of a shot of a satellite today in higher stakes than I normally play in a single tournament to be in a tournament way high stakes than I normally play (lol),

and I wondered, what does it take to win in the long term in poker?

For instance today I made 2 crucial mistakes, 1 where I didn't call with a lower pocket pair despite because I was on that 20-30 BB Range and put the guy given the tournament structure etc. exactly what he had (higher pocket pair) QQ where I had 88's and folded pre flop to a 2.5 BB raise and of course a dang 8 came on the flop. And then later on putting the guy again on a higher pocket pair grilled me when I called his 3 bet and hit my J of AJ and he shoved with QQ's (unknowingly) while I had only 8 BB left so i called him and got the bad news (basically saying to myself theres no way I have him beat). So I understand these are 2 leaks I need to plug. Maybe this is a rant idk but what does it take to win in poker long term?

Is it balancing your ranges? Is it playing GTO? Is it the combination of GTO and exploitative play in regards to tournament structure? I always notice and when watching live high stakes poker tourneys it seems everyone is so dang loose in a sense but really I assume it is because they know when and how to cover/exploit every bit of edge? Is it simply just bankroll management/game selection? A bit of all I guess?

Im curious to your all thoughts Ive been playing now for about a year and a half and although no doubt have improved I am just trying to get a better sense of the bigger picture! Thanks! 🙂

Lots os discipline, watch and size up the players and don't play out of your league
 
To win at poker long term. Patience and being rational gets you success.

Unfortunately I still have not made a huge bankroll yet.
 
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