What VPIP do you consider healthy in tournaments?

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VPIP (Voluntarily Put Money In Pot) is one of the basic stats for looking at how often a player enters a pot.

For tournament play, what percentage would you consider to be a solid VPIP for a player?

Personally, I tend to think players around 20% VPIP or lower are generally playing fairly tight. Playing fewer hands usually means you're entering pots with stronger starting hands, although I know tournament stage and stack size can change things quite a bit.

What VPIP range do you normally consider solid in tournaments?
 
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fundiver199 said:
For an 8-max tournament with antes 20-25% is a good number.
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That makes sense. I think the number of players at the table matters quite a bit too. At 8-max, 20–25% seems reasonable, but I’d expect the range to change as the table gets shorter. Do you adjust your VPIP much when it gets down to 6 or 5 players?
 
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That makes sense. I think the number of players at the table matters quite a bit too. At 8-max, 20–25% seems reasonable, but I’d expect the range to change as the table gets shorter. Do you adjust your VPIP much when it gets down to 6 or 5 players?
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No but it increase naturally, because you are no longer in the tightest positions, where you fold the most
 
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fundiver199 said:
No but it increase naturally, because you are no longer in the tightest positions, where you fold the most
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fundiver199 said:
For an 8-max tournament with antes 20-25% is a good number.
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I've changed my view on this a bit. A loose-aggressive maniac can be very dangerous in the right tournament situation. Someone playing 40%+ VPIP can put enormous pressure on the table, especially in position. On the button, for example, a very aggressive player may raise a huge percentage of hands when the blinds are tight or trying to survive.

Sometimes that aggression can even include 3-betting hands like 72o. Obviously, you can't play every hand like that and expect to win — the point is constantly putting opponents in difficult decisions and forcing them to defend their blinds and stacks.

The advantage of the loose-aggressive style in tournaments is pressure. You can accumulate chips without waiting for premium hands, attack players trying to ladder up, steal blinds and antes, and force them into mistakes.

A tight player may have a stronger average hand when entering a pot, but a good LAG can win many pots without showdown. So VPIP tells you something about a player's style, but not necessarily how dangerous they are. A 15% player can be predictable, while a skilled 40%+ LAG can be one of the toughest players at the table.
 
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I had the most problems with lag players where they 3 bet with position or even 4bet preflop, where I can't play my game and had to fold like a nit player 😀 it's hard to play against skilled lag player than tight with vpip like 20% and under ...
 
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alabala said:
I had the most problems with lag players where they 3 bet with position or even 4bet preflop, where I can't play my game and had to fold like a nit player 😀 it's hard to play against skilled lag player than tight with vpip like 20% and under ...
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I agree 😀 A skilled LAG player can make your life difficult, especially when they 3-bet or 4-bet you in position. Sometimes folding is the right decision, but it can also make you feel like you're being pushed around. Do you think it's better to fight back with more 4-bets, or wait for stronger hands and let the aggressive player keep putting chips into the pot?
 
Depends on the information I have about the players at the table and the stack I have also
 
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VPIP (Voluntarily Put Money In Pot) is one of the basic stats for looking at how often a player enters a pot.

For tournament play, what percentage would you consider to be a solid VPIP for a player?

Personally, I tend to think players around 20% VPIP or lower are generally playing fairly tight. Playing fewer hands usually means you're entering pots with stronger starting hands, although I know tournament stage and stack size can change things quite a bit.

What VPIP range do you normally consider solid in tournaments?
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I wouldn't say that there is an ideal percentage of VPIP in tournaments. Sometimes 20% can be quite tight, depending on your stack, position, table, antes, and the stage of the tournament.

Personally, I would look at other metrics like PFR and position rather than fixate on one number. A 24% VPIP can represent a complete different type of player depending on how aggressive they are and their general tendencies.
 
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Nameless14 said:
I wouldn't say that there is an ideal percentage of VPIP in tournaments. Sometimes 20% can be quite tight, depending on your stack, position, table, antes, and the stage of the tournament.

Personally, I would look at other metrics like PFR and position rather than fixate on one number. A 24% VPIP can represent a complete different type of player depending on how aggressive they are and their general tendencies.
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That's a good point. I think the difference between VPIP and PFR is especially important. A player with 24% VPIP and 20% PFR is playing very differently from someone with 24% VPIP and 8% PFR. The first is generally more aggressive preflop, while the second calls much more often. Looking at both stats gives us a better picture.
 
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