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When is the ideal time to start to think about shoving in - on which BB's - like when you are almost left with 7 bb or sooner..
 
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10BB.
 
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The issue here is, of course, the rake; it's obvious that pushing such hands against VIP players will be profitable.I admit that if you have enough money and are well-versed in the intricacies of deep-stack play, maxing out your stack will likely yield the greatest overall benefit. Don't let deep-stacked regulars intimidate you!
 
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Under 10 BB - pure shove or fold.
10-15 BB - you can use some min-raises with premium hands, push/fold the rest
 
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I think it’s better to start thinking about shoving before you get down to 7 BB. Around 10–12 BB, I’m already paying much more attention to good spots, because once you get to 7 BB or less, you have very little room to maneuver. But it also depends a lot on your position, the players at the table, and the strength of your hand.
 
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The standard is 10BB.
BUT, ICM speaks louder often, at list in my books LOL
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Under 10bb is open shove or fold :)
 
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Up to 15BB is push or fold (as each blind is very important for you; then use your fold equity in your favor), but you may play differently sometimes, so you need to know when. And, also, your range must be more well selected, specially against a weaker field that will pay more than they should.
 
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didi58xx said:
When is the ideal time to start to think about shoving in - on which BB's - like when you are almost left with 7 bb or sooner..
I wouldn’t wait until 7 BB. I start thinking about shove spots around 10–12 BB, because waiting too long can cost you fold equity.
 
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didi58xx said:
When is the ideal time to start to think about shoving in - on which BB's - like when you are almost left with 7 bb or sooner..
It depends on many factors.
The basic rules is that between 10-15 you can start to think in push or fold decisions.
If you want to go a little bit deeper, it also depends on position and average stack, I've studied situations where table average stack was 6-8BB and the solver suggested a raise to 2bb.
 
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I wouldn't necessarily wait until I was left with 7 big blinds. It depends a lot on the position, the size of your opponents' stacks of chips, and the value of your fold equity.

With 10-15 large blinds (BB), you should already be considering push/fold options or looking to simplify your decisions; around 7 BB, many situations clearly turn into push or fold scenarios. The danger lies in waiting too long and going down to 3-4 BB, as your ability to force the fold of others plummets at that point.

For me, the key question isn't “How many big blinds should I go all-in with?” , but rather “How many big blinds can I lose before my stack loses its fold equity?” That's when you start to push more aggressively.
 
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