I check out the sharkscope profiles and see who is a grinder (they will be playing as usual, with small adjustment, comfortable with FT dynamics), and who is a recreationally FT visitor ( more likely worry about pay jumps, and play tight and not willing to risk their stack on a flip). And then, I still treat this as a 9-handed S&G.
What was your mistake?Big_Banana said:
Shoving QQ on the Final table? Not necessarily a mistake, but it depends on a number of factors.
Be careful not to be too results-oriented. It is important to make decisoins with all the information available and then make the coice that offers the greatest value.
Cheers,
ObbleeXY
the further, the more interesting ..
I initially followed the poker experts' recommendation that it is best to be aggressive towards your game at the final table before the final. Yes! it works!) but after some successive sorties without prizes - I wondered .. Is it necessary to do this every time? Of course, it is necessary to assess the situation .. And now a cockroach has climbed into my head *, but what if I don’t get to the top places again !? it really interferes with playing the way I play myself. How to kill this cockroach ???)😱😕😎
I initially followed the poker experts' recommendation that it is best to be aggressive towards your game at the final table before the final. Yes! it works!) but after some successive sorties without prizes - I wondered .. Is it necessary to do this every time? Of course, it is necessary to assess the situation .. And now a cockroach has climbed into my head *, but what if I don’t get to the top places again !? it really interferes with playing the way I play myself. How to kill this cockroach ???)😱😕😎
I look to go as deep as I can, one spot at a time. No point in thinking about first when there are 8 others there. You wanna eliminate them one at a time. With each additional elimination, your payout goes up. If this means letting others take the risk, then that's even better.
Be very mindful of your stack size and which player you can pick on and who you wanna avoid unnecessary confrontation with unless you have a monster.
I have won before where I entered the final 2 down by worse than 1:10. Obviously that's not a kind of spot you shoot for, but if that's how the FT works out, that's how you gotta do battle.
Be very mindful of your stack size and which player you can pick on and who you wanna avoid unnecessary confrontation with unless you have a monster.
I have won before where I entered the final 2 down by worse than 1:10. Obviously that's not a kind of spot you shoot for, but if that's how the FT works out, that's how you gotta do battle.
If I get to final table I’m like : Hell, they are so screwed,lol . Final table is my strong suit I usually place top 3 then. If you wanna get good at final table I recommend playing something like jackpots poker on AMC where it’s you vs two others. You kinda get the feeling of how Agro you need to play to stay consistent in your chip stack but not push so hard that you lose it all at once. Learn to steal a few pots but know when to go slow. It’s not a bluff anymore if you push all your chips in.
Big_Banana said:
I don’t think you were wrong to push with QQ, could’ve gone either way. Poker is poker. I like to take my ladies All THE Way 🙄 if you know what I mean 😀 Lol. Especially if my position is right and only one caller or pusher.
Kompany said:
Good point that I also try to incorporate with my approach. Making a final table does feel special, because it's very difficult to do, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with feeling a sense of accomplishment - we SHOULD reward ourselves, even if it's a mental one like a back pat. But, the job's not done yet, so once you're there, like Kompany said, calm down, put those feelings aside and just focus on making good decisions.
Recreationalplayer said:
100% because if you do have a big stack and you know your opponents will give in to pressure, then you're costing yourself equity by not pursuing it. Of course it's not always going to work because your opponents will have a hand to push back against.
Conversely, if you're a short stack, you're in a more defensive position, where you're trying to find spots to put your stack in to double up. Even though you'd rather be the one with the chips, you STILL have the ability to apply pressure to those who may be more about stack preservation.
Jkj19886 said:
Excellent point - some final tables, everyone has 15 big blinds or less (and many of those could be super short), so there's more push/folding happening here. Other final tables, you may be more deep stacked, in which case you don't need to be shoving and applying that kind of pressure on your opponents. Both are equally challenging though, and it takes making good decisions, and a little bit of luck going your way to win.
Basically, I just observe the table and see if I can pick up some tendencies or patterns in other players and try and use that to my advantage. I also try to be self-aware and not fall into patterns that others can pick up on me. That goes back to Collin's response early in the thread, "be willing to change gears".
When reach the final table[,] What do think?
"Let's take this thing down." I remind myself what got me to this point. Sometimes you get lucky on a hand or two and often times those spots where you got lucky are necessary for making deep runs. But I don't want to rely on getting lucky to take down a tournament. More often, being disciplined I what gets me to the final table. I try not to change my game too much. Once it's registered that I am on the final table, I try to forget it quickly and continue to play solid poker just as I had on the other tables previously.
"Let's take this thing down." I remind myself what got me to this point. Sometimes you get lucky on a hand or two and often times those spots where you got lucky are necessary for making deep runs. But I don't want to rely on getting lucky to take down a tournament. More often, being disciplined I what gets me to the final table. I try not to change my game too much. Once it's registered that I am on the final table, I try to forget it quickly and continue to play solid poker just as I had on the other tables previously.
If you play in a big MTT with 1,000 players, and you make the money bubble, then you can say you have played well, good enough to make a little money, then at the end of the day that is why most Poker players play, to make some money.
Making the Final Table after the bubble burst hours before, is a fantastic achievement, and in my book you are already a winner, the only question on my mind when I hit the Final Table is How Much more can I win?
But to be honest, I really do not care anymore, I have made the Final, made some money, all the rest now is just pure profit, even if I fell at the last hurdle, and went out in 2nd place I would not be too disappointed with my performance, because I can say I beat 998 players to get to 2nd place, the only real disappointment would be that the other player is holding the trophy and not me, it has nothing to do with how much more money he has won, because we both have made some money.
When the fun Stops, STOP!
Making the Final Table after the bubble burst hours before, is a fantastic achievement, and in my book you are already a winner, the only question on my mind when I hit the Final Table is How Much more can I win?
But to be honest, I really do not care anymore, I have made the Final, made some money, all the rest now is just pure profit, even if I fell at the last hurdle, and went out in 2nd place I would not be too disappointed with my performance, because I can say I beat 998 players to get to 2nd place, the only real disappointment would be that the other player is holding the trophy and not me, it has nothing to do with how much more money he has won, because we both have made some money.
When the fun Stops, STOP!
