By no means am I an expert I am just passing on what works for me. You always have to keep in mind that these are short games and you can't wait until you get the best starting hand, if you can see a flop for free or min raise when the blinds are low that is a great opportunity to play weaker hands to see the flop, we all see straights and flushes on the flop while holding hands like 8 6s many times, hands like that on a 579 flop can win the game on 1 hand if the agrotards shove their A K and JJ [emoji12]
You also have to be prepared for big swings both ways.
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You also have to be prepared for big swings both ways.
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It's necessary to be way more loose in this games than in a 6 players table, the agressivity in the heads up phase, particularly when I'm the chip leader, is always a problem for me. Oftentimes I get myself betting without any real reasons for it, obviously it not ends well in this cases.
Zorba said:
The percentages you show here are not up to date anymore.
They have increased the rake already quite a while ago.
Here you can see the current rake and probabilities for each level.
I have calculated the how much you need to win for break even with this increased rake.
With the 8% of rake in the 0.25, 1 and 3 dollar games, you will need win 43.5 on average per game to be break even (winning 36.2% of the games)
Now, I think that you shouldn't count with the top 3 spins of 120x, 240x and 12000x, because those are so unlikely. The 4th best spin you can encounter is the 25x, which I got already multiple times too.
If you exclude the top 3 spins, the rake will be almost 1% higher again (8.94% to be exact).
With this rake, you will need to win an average of 49.1 chips per game to be break even (about 36.6% of the games).
If someone is interested I might also calculate for 5% or 10% ROI.
Also, it is interesting to keep an eye on your chip EV per game, to see if you're performing well or just getting lucky.
Most people that are not used to use chip EV can get a more accurate feeling by the expected % of games won (which I didn't find on holdem manager), so you can manually convert them.
To go from chip EV to expected % of games won, you can use the following formula:
expected % of games won = ((chip EV per game) + 500) / 15
Ivaldo de Araujo said:
I've seen plenty of cases like yours, where inexperienced players think that because they have a lot of chips they have to be over agressive, thats only the case when there are ICM implications. In normal circumstances you'll be just taking more -eV spots and dumping chips for no reason.
i dont like spin and go because its a lotery
Ivaldo de Araujo said:
Sorry to say that you may be one of the players I said were over aggressive and can be taken advantage of, yes be aggressive but it depends on your hand and opponent, and if he repects your aggrsivness be careful of the callor reraise, with a waek hand you may not be a le to call and you end op donating chips, If they overbet and your have double ot more of the their stack you need to pick your spots especially if the blinds are still cheap.
There are a lot that automatically bitton raise and cbet 3 up and others thet linp every button HU, work out who and when you can trap.
There is a lot patience needed sometimes also, if you see bad play getting lucky and you think you can out play them HU it can pay to wait and see if you get HU with them, they may start with more chips than you but with smart play you can quickly change that and win.
Work out quickly who your opponent is.
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That was just a very quick look as an example of what can be foundAbramo Della Luce said:
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Wow, lots of eye opening information here on Spin n gos. I was a believer in the whole lottery bit but it was simply a matter of not studying it enough. What BRM should someone follow to get into it? Should it be higher than the 2% applied for MTTs?
That's where I am leaning to as well lately. I was playing them furiously in the past couple of months and I barely got even. Granted, it was the lower levels, but yes, it's usually a 33% chance (since its highly luck based) to win double your buy-in. Maybe if you're a really advanced player you can make a profit at the higher levels.
They're highly addictive but I don't think there's any harm in playing them here and there for a quick fix, but I wouldn't rely on them for bankroll building.
They're highly addictive but I don't think there's any harm in playing them here and there for a quick fix, but I wouldn't rely on them for bankroll building.
Spin & Go
I believe Spin & Go is not a real good idea. It is a waste of time. If you are a tournament player, Spin & Go is not for you. It is a game you have available and when you are broke or waiting for a tournament to begin you have a chance to waste some time, and to waste some money.
I believe Spin & Go is not a real good idea. It is a waste of time. If you are a tournament player, Spin & Go is not for you. It is a game you have available and when you are broke or waiting for a tournament to begin you have a chance to waste some time, and to waste some money.
Sometimes I play 0,25 Spin'n'Go's just for fun. I normally break even in these games. As there are a lot of crazy gamblers playing there, you'll need a little bit of luck, for sure. And don't care too much about bad beats. As there are players calling shoves with a large range, the changes are bigger that you will loose for ridiculous hands.
And forget about re-steals or 4bets. It's a fast game, so the bingo players love it. They will call you. But it's just where you can have some profit.
I think I'd have better results playing higher stakes, but due the velocity of the game, I don't risk my bankroll in a game like that. I play it when I'm bored and don't have much time, and thinking about paying 25 cents just to have fun.
And forget about re-steals or 4bets. It's a fast game, so the bingo players love it. They will call you. But it's just where you can have some profit.
I think I'd have better results playing higher stakes, but due the velocity of the game, I don't risk my bankroll in a game like that. I play it when I'm bored and don't have much time, and thinking about paying 25 cents just to have fun.
Zorba said:
Thanks for the tip of using their aggression against them.
In the past I have been to aggressive against these kind of players, so they folded much more, making me just win small pots.
Now I used a much more calm approach in my first 25x game in the 3$ games and.... I WON 😀
They guy had like 300 chips invested OOP, and on the river I just raised him all in for his last 125 chips. He folded and the 600 chips pot was mine. He was clearly bluffing way to much.
I haven't played but i have a friend who loves it, told me he made 35$ and then loss 20$ which gave him a profit of 15$ for one day.. playing 1$ spin and go only.
Now, i suppose is just like playing for the last 3 spots in a tournament but with the same number of chips... Right? I mean you should play as if you were in that final stage, open the range a bit... Am i wrong?
Now, i suppose is just like playing for the last 3 spots in a tournament but with the same number of chips... Right? I mean you should play as if you were in that final stage, open the range a bit... Am i wrong?
My two cents here 🙂
I barely get even from playing Spin&Go. The Spin&Go Challenge hauls me into it, even if the Challenge prizes are really low.
If you win an average of one game out of three, I wonder if a martingale (lose > move to higher level > lose > higher level again etc.) would work. Fwiw, I never lost more than 5 in a row, so it could work, but you definitely need the bankroll.
Good luck and most of all, good fun everyone!
I barely get even from playing Spin&Go. The Spin&Go Challenge hauls me into it, even if the Challenge prizes are really low.
If you win an average of one game out of three, I wonder if a martingale (lose > move to higher level > lose > higher level again etc.) would work. Fwiw, I never lost more than 5 in a row, so it could work, but you definitely need the bankroll.
Good luck and most of all, good fun everyone!
