MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[pocketehs]

Hand I played today, guy is 19/7/1 1%3bet, over 318 hands, at FR!

1% 3bet over 300+ hands?! This guy must have been pissed that the 2nd or 3rd time he 3-bet he ran him QQ into KK lol

Just read your blog post about BlackRains book and could agree more that the most valuable part is the "turn raises are usually the nuts" and "river raises are always the nuts." Saved me a bunch of BIs like right after I read this. Good read.

 

[pocketehs]

So I basically never fold KK pre but twice recently I have gone in when I pretty much knew they were going to flip over AA. Here's the most recent one and the villains stats were 23/6 with 6% 3bet and AfQ 55% over 171 hands. What should I do? Flat the shitty min 5bet or fold to it?

Ive been there as well Micro and I agree with Scourgge in that you cant fold this pre ever. I suppose you could flat the min 5bet but I still dont think youre going to get away from many boards. Whats AfQ compared to AF? Does it just include folds in the calc? Not too sure if 55% is high or not. I think we have to just GII and hate life after

 

[Matt Vaughan]

GII >>>>>> flatting.

AA still stacks us just as often as we're never folding kings in an SPR < 1 situation.

 

[pocketehs]

Pre: Your 4bet is enormous -> make it closer to 2.2x or 2.5x. Also, wouldn't really cold 4bet here as it looks stupidly strong. So unless you are trying to turn AK into a bluff, I flat.

Flop: Cbet is also enormous. In 3bet/4bet/5bet pots you can make much smaller (fractionally speaking) bet sizes. I'd go no bigger than half here - prob something like 40%.

Turn: He is never ever folding better and never ever calling worse, so check.

River: Same as turn. He should not be scared of the flush. Only hand that SOMEtimes folds here is prob TT.

Thanks for the help. Tbh I havent really come across a situation where Im deep and 4-bet so I was just applying regular betsizing but I understand your points above.

Id be interested to see what everyone think of the range that I put him on here. TT-QQ / AQ+ make sense or am I missing something?

 

[Logan2]

Thoughts?

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players

UTG+1: $2.00
UTG+2: $5.00
MP1: $5.81
MP2: $4.66
Hero (CO): $5.00
BTN: $12.50
SB: $8.57
BB: $9.27
UTG: $5.57

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with A

J

3 folds, MP1 calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.20, 3 folds, MP1 calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.47) J

2

7

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.28, MP1 calls $0.28

Turn: ($1.03) 8

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.88, MP1 calls $0.88

River: ($2.79) 5

(2 players)
MP1 bets $2.70, Hero ??


Villain have $1.75 left after river bet, we have $3.64 left.

Villain stats 63/0 3B:0 A:1.4 FCB:38 on 57 hands
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[youregoodmate]

Thoughts?

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players

UTG+1: $2.00
UTG+2: $5.00
MP1: $5.81
MP2: $4.66
Hero (CO): $5.00
BTN: $12.50
SB: $8.57
BB: $9.27
UTG: $5.57

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with A

J

3 folds, MP1 calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.20, 3 folds, MP1 calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.47) J

2

7

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.28, MP1 calls $0.28

Turn: ($1.03) 8

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.88, MP1 calls $0.88

River: ($2.79) 5

(2 players)
MP1 bets $2.70, Hero ??


Villain have $1.75 left after river bet, we have $3.64 left.

Villain stats 63/0 3B:0 A:1.4 FCB:38 on 57 hands
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Bet more on the flop, otherwise nice hand. Im calling this ninny all day long but expect to be beat a fair amount by the shit he has played.

Also its not essential but if you the bankroll for it, it may be worth buying in for 250bb (always good to cover all the fish), but as I say not essential at all.

 

[Logan2]

Bet more on the flop, otherwise nice hand. Im calling this ninny all day long but expect to be beat a fair amount by the shit he has played.

Also its not essential but if you the bankroll for it, it may be worth buying in for 250bb (always good to cover all the fish), but as I say not essential at all.

I´m mixing 10nl already so could buyin with $10 or $12.50 on 5nl, but bucause Table ninja work the buyin could screw 10nl so probably need to add the extra after sit in.

About the hand, so we are calling here all day right?.

 

[youregoodmate]

I´m mixing 10nl already so could buyin with $10 or $12.50 on 5nl, but bucause Table ninja work the buyin could screw 10nl so probably need to add the extra after sit in.

About the hand, so we are calling here all day right?.

Im calling this because he's such a donk. Theres times a a fish will do this with middle pair, TPWK, air and hands that beat you. I think we're right more than enough of the time to call this. If he has you beat just take notes and stack him later on.

I doesnt matter too much for the buy-in, just when I was playing 5nl a while back I was buying in deep, its just more profitable if you have a significant edge on the table. Very nice to take 500bb pots down against fish

 

[Yoshimiii]

Wow he's betting nearly a full pot on the river, that means you have to be correct 1:2 to even break even on this call. I would fold the river, he is going to have the straight/low 2 pair more often than J/x or rags here when betting full pot imo.

 

[micromachine]

Thanks for input on my KK question guys, you're right, 6bet shoving was the best play vs this guy and it's just a cooler. Think the other KK<AA hand I had recently was similar except the guy 3betting then 5betting was like 14/10 with a 1% or 2% 3bet...a bigger case for folding here, but like Peels hand shows, even the 1% 3bettors can 'go nuts' with QQ and maybe AK sometimes

Logan - I'm sighing and folding that one and waiting for a better opportunity. Sure he can show up with crap sometimes but I think a loose-passive betting like that should always set off the alarm bells.

 

[Yoshimiii]

Would you have shoved here? or folded, I think calling is out of the question OOP to these bets.

No stats on Villain. Unable to find Villain playing tables either.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2034957
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

MP: $10.00
CO: $14.88
BTN: $33.46
Hero (SB): $10.00
BB: $9.62
UTG: $10.15

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with Q :club: Q :diamond:
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB raises to $0.95, Hero raises to $2.10, BB raises to $3.80

Final Pot: $4.20
BB wins $4.20
(Rake: $-0.00)

 

[orangepeeleo]

I think bvb we can stack it

 

[micromachine]

Yeah I think so too: 4bet/fold isn't good, it's bvb, and he's an unknown (therefore unlikely to be a reg and maybe a fish)

 

[Yoshimiii]

So you guys don't take him min-raising each bet into account or just that it isn't a big enough factor to produce a fold for me? That's the reason why i folded, I would be more inclined to call 100BB's if he 5 bet shoved but once he min raises for second time it screams A/A to me imo. Much more likely A/A or K/K instead of J/J A/K Imo.

 

[AlfieAA]

Same thing happened to me a few nights ago, had kings on the BTN and UTG nitball raises all in for 100bb's.....instantly knew he had aces......so I called and right enough he flips over aces and they hold up....then he ****s off and leaves.....felt like a right stupid c##t

 

[orangepeeleo]

No stats on Villain. Unable to find Villain playing tables either.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2034957
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

MP: $10.00
CO: $14.88
BTN: $33.46
Hero (SB): $10.00
BB: $9.62
UTG: $10.15

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with Q ♣ Q ♦
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB raises to $0.95, Hero raises to $2.10, BB raises to $3.80

Final Pot: $4.20
BB wins $4.20
(Rake: $-0.00)

So you guys don't take him min-raising each bet into account or just that it isn't a big enough factor to produce a fold for me? That's the reason why i folded, I would be more inclined to call 100BB's if he 5 bet shoved but once he min raises for second time it screams A/A to me imo. Much more likely A/A or K/K instead of J/J A/K Imo.

I've highlighted the important points imo, he's unknown, is maybe only 1 tabling, its 6 handed, and he either doesnt use auto topup or just buys in short, this is enough information for me to stack off

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Thoughts?

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players

UTG+1: $2.00
UTG+2: $5.00
MP1: $5.81
MP2: $4.66
Hero (CO): $5.00
BTN: $12.50
SB: $8.57
BB: $9.27
UTG: $5.57

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with A

J

3 folds, MP1 calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.20, 3 folds, MP1 calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.47) J

2

7

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.28, MP1 calls $0.28

Turn: ($1.03) 8

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.88, MP1 calls $0.88

River: ($2.79) 5

(2 players)
MP1 bets $2.70, Hero ??


Villain have $1.75 left after river bet, we have $3.64 left.

Villain stats 63/0 3B:0 A:1.4 FCB:38 on 57 hands
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Sorry I'm late to the party on this one...

Pre: I raise a bit smaller from LP, but that's a bit of a preference thing.

Flop: Bet bigger on the flop.

Turn: Nice bet.

River: Villain looks super passive, so I default fold without more reads. Could easily be a gutshot that came in on the turn and was slowplayed. Could be any number of stupid things, like 87, 75, etc. So without a read of river-spew being the norm, I fold.

 

[orangepeeleo]

And if you arent stacking off here why are you 4betting?? Better to call the 3bet oop and play some postflop pokerzz surely.

I'd say 4bet folding bvb vs an unknown, 6 handed, is a mistake. Getting it in, although maybe marginal, prob isnt.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I've highlighted the important points imo, he's unknown, is maybe only 1 tabling, its 6 handed, and he either doesnt use auto topup or just buys in short, this is enough information for me to stack off

This imo. It's gross, and yes the sizing is often a tell, but the fact that he's 1-tabling and the other stuff that peels mentioned indicates a very fishy player. So while the sizing COULD be a tell, it could also be that he min-raises whenever he 3/4/5bets it. I stack off, and shrug-sigh when he has AA or KK. But I think it's pretty spewy to 4bet/fold QQ. If you weren't comfortable stacking off 100% of the time, I'd probably just flat the 3bet with QQ.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

And if you arent stacking off here why are you 4betting?? Better to call the 3bet oop and play some postflop pokerzz surely.

I'd say 4bet folding bvb vs an unknown, 6 handed, is a mistake. Getting it in, although maybe marginal, prob isnt.

Peels beat me by like 2 seconds haha.

 

[orangepeeleo]

Because I'm a jedi

 

[Yoshimiii]

I 4bet the queens instead of folding as if it was A/K I would of just thought he would shove and I would call and if he only flat called then I could rule out A/A and K/K but when he min-raises me it looks super strong, that was what I was thinking anyway. Probably just get it in next time.

 

[orangepeeleo]

If I had AA or KK there I'd be flatting your 4bet for sure

 

[Yoshimiii]

Why would u flat after I 4 bet, standard would just be to shove as I have already said I have a really good hand with my bet sizing..

 

[orangepeeleo]

But people can fold QQ if we do anything else

Srsly though the spr will be like 2 oft so we're getting it in whatever and gives people a chance to make more mistakes, we can play perfectly post when we flat the 4bet, but the villain can't