MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[Logan2]

Logan - I'm sighing and folding that one and waiting for a better opportunity. Sure he can show up with crap sometimes but I think a loose-passive betting like that should always set off the alarm bells.

Wow he's betting nearly a full pot on the river, that means you have to be correct 1:2 to even break even on this call. I would fold the river, he is going to have the straight/low 2 pair more often than J/x or rags here when betting full pot imo.

Sorry I'm late to the party on this one...

Pre: I raise a bit smaller from LP, but that's a bit of a preference thing.

Flop: Bet bigger on the flop.

Turn: Nice bet.

River: Villain looks super passive, so I default fold without more reads. Could easily be a gutshot that came in on the turn and was slowplayed. Could be any number of stupid things, like 87, 75, etc. So without a read of river-spew being the norm, I fold.

Agree on Flop, should bet like 70-75% there (60% is my default on TN so was a mistake not to increased manually)

Agree with you guys on river too. Last night keep thinking about the call after reading Youregoodmate comment, and at the time my desicion was based on river agresion (1.8), he got 1.4 on flop, 1.2 on turn, so he usually is a little more agresive on river but think was a stupid call based on 0.6 more agresive on river on so small example of hands. Also even if he is a fish there is not much combos we beat compared to the ton of combos that beat us there. So probably was a easy fold looking back on cold. Probably the pride to fold to a fish with tptk come in the way :-/


ps i wish could be a jedi

 

[AlfieAA]

is the aggression factor/frequency stat important and how do i use it in relation to other stats...not sure how to use it...

 

[Logan2]

Any chance to extract more on river?

Villain is 37/8 A:3.3 on 48 hands


I notice that should bet more on flop so try to compensate overbeting a little on turn, probably looks fishy so could help to get a call, on river my bet is ok i think but after he raise not sure how much to bet, wondering if just double his bet to $7 could be better to get a call or after i raise him not really matter and he probably just fold any amount?.

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players

UTG: $6.66
UTG+1: $2.10
MP1: $11.55
MP2: $1.97
CO: $1.88
Hero (BTN): $13.11
SB: $9.59
BB: $5.00

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with Q

T

5 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.35) J

9

5

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.23, SB calls $0.23

Turn: ($0.81) 8

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.90, SB calls $0.90

River: ($2.61) A

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.75, SB raises to $3.50, Hero raises to $10.92, SB folds

Final Pot: $9.61
Hero mucks Q

T

Hero wins $9.21
(Rake: $0.40)


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[Matt Vaughan]

When he min-raises the river it looks uber-strong to me, like he picked up two-pair with an ace or something. Shove all day. Weird that he folded. WP.

 

[Yoshimiii]

I forgot who said it, but it is some poker pro: "People rely on their poker HUD's too much in poker, it is mainly a very useful tool pre-flop but people use it as a crutch far too much". Quote went something like this and I agree, useful pre-flop, not so much post-flop apart from fold to cbet%.

Also can somebody explain what difference is between AF/AG/AFQ? I think it's called, all to do with aggression but do they all mean aggression factor or does each one mean something else.

Also what are the stat ranges for passive/average/very aggressive aggression, I would like to know for my HUD to assign if someone is passive or aggressive.

 

[Yoshimiii]

Also I think you played hand fine (including cbet on flop), but would 2/3 on turn instead.

 

[micromachine]

Also can somebody explain what difference is between AF/AG/AFQ? I think it's called, all to do with aggression but do they all mean aggression factor or does each one mean something else.

I use AfQ - it's aggression frequency as a percentage. Apparently it converges quicker than AF but I dont know why.

I would say that passive = 0-40 AfQ, normal = 40-60 AfQ and aggressive 60-100 = AfQ

 

[micromachine]

Posting this hand I played tonight for lols - did he really think that the 2 improved his hand?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

SB ($7.26)
BB ($14.44)
UTG ($4.23)
MP ($12.84)
CO ($4)
Hero (Button) ($13.03)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10

, 10

2 folds, CO calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.20, 1 fold, BB calls $0.15, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.47) 10

, A

, 10

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.47) J

(2 players)
BB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.50, BB raises to $0.90, Hero raises to $2.70, BB calls $1.80

River: ($5.87) 2

(2 players)
BB bets $2, Hero raises to $10.13 (All-In), BB calls $8.13

Total pot: $26.13 | Rake: $1

Results:
Hero had 10

, 10

(four of a kind, tens).
BB had A

, 2

(two pair, Aces and tens).
Outcome: Hero won $25.13

 

[AlfieAA]

Posting this hand I played tonight for lols - did he really think that the 2 improved his hand?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

SB ($7.26)
BB ($14.44)
UTG ($4.23)
MP ($12.84)
CO ($4)
Hero (Button) ($13.03)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10

, 10

2 folds, CO calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.20, 1 fold, BB calls $0.15, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.47) 10

, A

, 10

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.47) J

(2 players)
BB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.50, BB raises to $0.90, Hero raises to $2.70, BB calls $1.80

River: ($5.87) 2

(2 players)
BB bets $2, Hero raises to $10.13 (All-In), BB calls $8.13

Total pot: $26.13 | Rake: $1

Results:
Hero had 10

, 10

(four of a kind, tens).
BB had A

, 2

(two pair, Aces and tens).
Outcome: Hero won $25.13

nh.......what would you have done if you were the villian?

 

[Matt Vaughan]

nh.......what would you have done if you were the villian?

Villain should have:
- 3bet pre
- But as played, check/fold flop
- As played, bet/fold turn
- Seriously, on turn, fold >>> flat >>>>>>>>>> 3bet
- As played, FOLD TO THE DAMN TURN 4BET
- As played, x/f river
- FOLD DAMMIT

 

[pocketehs]

Villain should have:
- 3bet pre
- But as played, check/fold flop
- As played, bet/fold turn
- Seriously, on turn, fold >>> flat >>>>>>>>>> 3bet
- As played, FOLD TO THE DAMN TURN 4BET
- As played, x/f river
- FOLD DAMMIT

yeah seriously wtf was that guy thinking flatting the turn 4-bet? "oh hes probably bluffing. A2 is ALWAYYS good here." lol

 

[Matt Vaughan]

yeah seriously wtf was that guy thinking flatting the turn 4-bet? "oh hes probably bluffing. A2 is ALWAYYS good here." lol

He's literally not thinking about your hand at all. He has a pair of aces, and he will not fold.

 

[pocketehs]

He's literally not thinking about your hand at all. He has a pair of aces, and he will not fold.

a pair of aces...thats what they call "the nuts" on tv right? lol jk

 

[Matt Vaughan]

a pair of aces...thats what they call "the nuts" on tv right? lol jk

Yes. Aces up is the nuts.

 

[Logan2]

I just want to say that this thread is getting really good lately, honestly.
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[pocketehs]

GII >>>>>> flatting.

AA still stacks us just as often as we're never folding kings in an SPR < 1 situation.

I was looking over that TPB article on SPR that you sent me a while back and am still trying to make sure that I understand it correctly.

Please let me know where Im going wrong here. Im basically summarizing the article and going to try to post a hand that I have and make a SPR evaluation of it.

SPR = ESS / Pot size

Large SPR - 17 +
Med SPR - 16-7
Low SPR - 6-0

The better our hand is the large we want our SPR to be so basically by raising or creating larger pots we want to leave less options for the villain to ensure we GII? And we want low SPR with weaker hands so that we can fold if we need to? Like in pots where were check raised with TPGK?

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Remember that it's SPR not PSR. Effective stack size divided by the pot size.

Some examples:
1.) We have $200 stacks in $1/$2 and I raise to $6 in the SB and the BB flats, we have a $12 pot with effective $194 stacks. $194/$12 = 16.17

2.) Let's say I make the same raise in the SB to $6, but the SB 3bets to $18, and I flat in the SB. The pot is now $36, and we have effective $182 behind. $182/$36 = 5.06

Notice how the more raising there is, the SMALLER the SPR is, because we have less behind in our STACK and more in the POT. Stack to pot ratio. Deeper stacks = bigger SPR.

The best way to think about SPR is that the deeper the stacks compared to SPR, the more "real play" that's going to happen. If we are HU at the turn with SPR 1 it means there is an effective PSB behind. You can get weaker hands in here profitably, because there is so much in the pot and you don't have to commit that much more.

SPR is important for concepts like fold equity, because the deeper we are, the more playability we have, and the more we can threaten to CREATE smaller SPR pots in which the pot is bloated.

Make more sense?

So with our "good hands" (I assume you mean hands we are very ready to GII with), we like small SPRs, because it's so easy for us to shovel the rest of the effective stacks in.

 

[micromachine]

I just want to say that this thread is getting really good lately, honestly.
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Yep +1

 

[youregoodmate]

Agree on Flop, should bet like 70-75% there (60% is my default on TN so was a mistake not to increased manually)

Agree with you guys on river too. Last night keep thinking about the call after reading Youregoodmate comment, and at the time my desicion was based on river agresion (1.8), he got 1.4 on flop, 1.2 on turn, so he usually is a little more agresive on river but think was a stupid call based on 0.6 more agresive on river on so small example of hands. Also even if he is a fish there is not much combos we beat compared to the ton of combos that beat us there. So probably was a easy fold looking back on cold. Probably the pride to fold to a fish with tptk come in the way :-/


ps i wish could be a jedi

Dont think we have enough hands to decide based on AF or Afq. I still call this at 5nl based on how fishy he is, can def understand peeps wanting to fold though.

 

[micromachine]

Logan or Peels - what are those RFI stats called on HEM? On PT3 I can only find RFI but it seems to be just one stat and I want RFI for each position.

 

[micromachine]

I've added a table average HUD window to my HUD...cant believe I didn't do this sooner lol

 

[honeycrush]

I've added a table average HUD window to my HUD...cant believe I didn't do this sooner lol

Yeah this is brilliant. It's there automatically with HEM2 or I wouldn't have known about it. Makes it so much quicker to know when to leave a table and find a more profitable one.

 

[micromachine]

So far i put VPIP, PFR, hands and BB/100 on the table average window, are there any others you would recommend?

 

[orangepeeleo]

Logan or Peels - what are those RFI stats called on HEM? On PT3 I can only find RFI but it seems to be just one stat and I want RFI for each position.

So far i put VPIP, PFR, hands and BB/100 on the table average window, are there any others you would recommend?

Here's my HUD and the locations for RFI stats, I have them on a seperate line above the names.

 

[pocketehs]

Logan or Peels - what are those RFI stats called on HEM? On PT3 I can only find RFI but it seems to be just one stat and I want RFI for each position.

Having the same problem Logan. Even tried to download it off PT3 but there wasnt one. I imagine they will only have it RFI by position for PT4. Maybe Ill ask in the PT Support Thread.

For the table HUD, do you just add it the same way you add your normal player HUD stats?