MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[slowhand]

Hey ScottishMatt, what BB/100 you making at 2nl? I play 6 tables atm and surprised at win rate....but suppose we are playing the dregs of the poker world

 

[xdeucesx]

if you post your graph in a spoiler, it's immune from curses, fact!

 

[Matt Vaughan]

ty friend

<3

 

[DunningKruger]

Also, I feel like it breaks down more like this, at least in my experience from grinding up:

2nl-->5nl---->10nl--------->25nl----------->50nl----->100nl------------------->200nl

Feels like biggest jump is 100 to 200, but i haven't played higher then 200 really so i'll probably look back and lol @ this one day, as I do now when I use to think 10nl was unbeatable

The jump from 200 to 400 exceeds all of those, but anyway I think the second biggest might be 10 to 25. Depending on if/how you table select and things like thst.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Doesn't this depend a lot on the site? And frankly, your ability as you were moving up?

For example, if you were improving quickly and waiting for your volume to catch up, something might not have felt like a big jump (if you're crushing 5nl and move to 10nl). But if you improve more slowly, such that your BR increases significantly in that amount of time, you might be moving up into games that are tougher for you.

Imo just get as good as you can, as fast as you can, and play as many hands as you can.

 

[xdeucesx]

Doesn't this depend a lot on the site? And frankly, your ability as you were moving up?

For example, if you were improving quickly and waiting for your volume to catch up, something might not have felt like a big jump (if you're crushing 5nl and move to 10nl). But if you improve more slowly, such that your BR increases significantly in that amount of time, you might be moving up into games that are tougher for you.

Imo just get as good as you can, as fast as you can, and play as many hands as you can.

I think he's talking like general skill jumps you know?

Like I imagine it's incredibly tough to jump from 200-400 bc you have regs who play 400 also grinding like 1knl, where as at least at 10nl, you don't have anybody who's like a 200nl grinder moving down per say

 

[DunningKruger]

Doesn't this depend a lot on the site? And frankly, your ability as you were moving up?

Yes to the first question, if you guys are using a single site to form your opinion. No to the second, although I know what you're saying. Perceptions can be skewy, but the average skill level of the player pool is still wholly independent and needn't (shouldn't) be expressed in relation to your own ability.

Players tend not to put in any real volume at limits they've long graduated from - with good reason - and so it makes answering such a question tricky since they weren't nearly the same player at lower limits than at higher ones. I'm an exception to this, and it's not uncommon for me to spend some time in a wide variety of limits. Just a weird habit of mine, and nothing to do with busting a roll or anything like that. It actually helps me maintain my love for the game. Anyway this is the reason I chimed in there. I feel I'm in a sort of (not entirely ofc) unique position to offer an opinion.

 

[Blobweird123]

Yes to the first question, if you guys are using a single site to form your opinion. No to the second, although I know what you're saying. Perceptions can be skewy, but the average skill level of the player pool is still wholly independent and needn't (shouldn't) be expressed in relation to your own ability.

Players tend not to put in any real volume at limits they've long graduated from - with good reason - and so it makes answering such a question tricky since they weren't nearly the same player at lower limits than at higher ones. I'm an exception to this, and it's not uncommon for me to spend some time in a wide variety of limits. Just a weird habit of mine, and nothing to do with busting a roll or anything like that. It actually helps me maintain my love for the game. Anyway this is the reason I chimed in there. I feel I'm in a sort of (not entirely ofc) unique position to offer an opinion.

I'd have to call bs on this, if your claiming your a winner at all the limits you play.

No winner at their highest limit will EVER play a limit considerably lower if they didnt bust their roll. Like if im a 100nl reg and consistently winning, im NEVER playing 10nl for any reason again unless my roll warrants it. There is no other reason for moving to a lower limit. It doesn't help maintain love for the game whatsoever. What helps maintain love for the game is moving to a new more challenging limit, not playing what is essentially pennies to your current roll.

Didn't mean to pick on you, but just can't believe that.

 

[Cafeman]

Blob, while I've never played as high as DK, I can confirm that I also play 2NL from time to time, even though I'm a winning 50NL reg. It's fun. I don't doubt DK does this too.

If you don't believe me I can show you plenty of proof of me running a BR up from almost nothing on the ipoker network. Even yesterday I played some 2NL after I posted 0/10 for my response... you know, just to make sure I was still right*

 

[ScottishMatt]

The WR is just too beast to say. It's a tiny sample and I am slightly above EV but I've been running average really. Four tabling is really good fun, can't wait to see my winrate as I move up, I suspect it will be quite a bit higher than my previous ones for each limit, when I was mindlessly grinding away.

 

[Blobweird123]

Blob, while I've never played as high as DK, I can confirm that I also play 2NL from time to time, even though I'm a winning 50NL reg. It's fun. I don't doubt DK does this too.

If you don't believe me I can show you plenty of proof of me running a BR up from almost nothing on the ipoker network. Even yesterday I played some 2NL after I posted 0/10 for my response... you know, just to make sure I was still right*

Maybe to mess around or when you're drunk sure I can see it.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Blob, tbf, I wouldn't have expected DK's response either, but just b/c you or I would never do something like that (and tbf I can't say that for sure about myself), doesn't mean it can't possibly be true for others.

Anyway thanks for the reply DK, and I understand what you're saying about the "true" skill jump being different from the "perceived" skill jump. I just don't think people realize how much the perceived jump gets in the way of them accurately discussing the true skill jump. When people say "25nl is sooooo much harder than 10nl - the regs are way more intense," I see a whole lotta perception. When they begin to say "25nl is much harder than 10nl, because there are more regs, the regs are more aggressive pre and post, and even the fish are playing back at you postflop sometimes," then I pay attention.

 

[Cafeman]

The WR is just too beast to say. It's a tiny sample and I am slightly above EV but I've been running average really. Four tabling is really good fun, can't wait to see my winrate as I move up, I suspect it will be quite a bit higher than my previous ones for each limit, when I was mindlessly grinding away.

Come on Matt, how many hands? Let's have a friendly comp to see who can get the highest WR

 

[ScottishMatt]

What sample do you want to aim for?

(If this WR keeps increasing I'll just jump up to 5)

And remember, I'm only 4 tabling.

 

[micromachine]

Come on Matt, how many hands? Let's have a friendly comp to see who can get the highest WR

I'm up for that, how many hands?

 

[pocketehs]

how is the topic of "what level is the hardest" still going on? I feel like theres hundreds of these exact threads on CC already lol

 

[ScottishMatt]

how is the topic of "what level is the hardest" still going on? I feel like theres hundreds of these exact threads on CC already lol

STFU and get in on the 2nl winrates yo!

2NL WR competition = best thing to happen on CC

 

[micromachine]

Best winrate over 2k hands? Or is 5k better? Don't think I can do much more than 2k especially if I'm going to 4 table it.

 

[ScottishMatt]

I've got 4K hands at the moment so I'd be cool with that. I'll be playing some more till I get enough BI's for 5nl but we can go off my current WR if you like.

I'll set the standard then at 46.91/100. GL bitches!

 

[micromachine]

Pah that's nothing BB or bb?

 

[DunningKruger]

Heh. Is there actually a 2NL wr competition? Do I get a prize or anything for beating 46.91 over 4k hands. Don't think I've ever played 2NL but I could make an exception.

Blobweird's response to me I find odd because I did not expect anyone to believe I would lie about that lol. I mean, for what reason would I say it if it wasn't true? Sure I'll concede the love of the game thing is far from being a solid reason on its own to jump around limits a bit, but there are a number of other reasons I do it and I could start listing them all if I felt I had to justify myself in any way, but I don't. If it's just Blobweird I don't care. If there are a bunch of others who all think the same thing then I suppose I can start posting some graphs.

I really don't think anyone here is in a position to tell me why I play poker fwiw. I should also clarify that I don't play all limits equally obv. My volume at uNL limits combined on the calender year is but a fraction of my db.

 

[xdeucesx]

plz no 2nl wr, were not at that level yet

 

[Cafeman]

Let's make it 5k then?

 

[micromachine]

5k is fine for me, I'll need a week or so...5k is a lot when 4-6 tabling and I'm not playing tonight.

 

[Cafeman]

Fair enough. Well I'll be shotting 100NL tonight cos the games should be juicy. I imagine I'll get the 5k 2NL done by Monday though.