MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[Logan2]

Open is fine, fold to the 3bet. Flop fold is good.

In other news, my downswing continues. Since most of my roll was offline I didn't really move down aggressively either, so I'm at the point of needing to play baby stakes again unless I want to re-deposit some of my roll online (not ideal). Shouldn't be too awful though now since zone exists, and lets you play 2 tables. So I figure like 250 hands/hr or so at 5nl, then once I can play 10nl safely I'll just mix both and 4-table to get about 500 hands/hour.

I have the idea Zone was like Zoom/Rush, but 500 hands /hr 4-tabling sounds off, you get around 250 hands/hour by table (1k hands/hour 4-tabling zoom), i´m guessing is because bovada software sucks?, or is a different game than zoom/rush?

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Zone only gives about 125-135/hr each, and only two per limit. The software is pretty bad, but people also play kind of slow preflop.

 

[vinylspiros]

versus unknown


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

BB ($16.66)
UTG ($5.80)
MP ($5.58)
CO ($10.11)
Hero (Button) ($5.47)
SB ($7.27)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4

, 5

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.35) 6

, 8

, 2

(2 players)
SB bets $0.35, Hero calls $0.35

Turn: ($1.05) 9

(2 players)
SB bets $0.80, Hero calls $0.80 ( and yea fold turn is best here)

River: ($2.65) 10

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.48 ----------------spew? ( im calling with a double gutter because im putting him on a flush draw and im also in position) should we be checking behind in spots like this? if not, any comments on the bet sizing would be helpful.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Frankly I kind of like a flop fold. We're only getting 2:1, we're likely going to face bets on later streets, and it's unclear how much implied odds we really have. He's unknown so likely loose passive. He's donking big into us on the flop, which is more likely to be top pair or better.

As played on flop, turn is a very, very clear fold since a 7 is often no longer an out. As played onl turn, I'm sort of meh on river, because on the one hand, it looks like he's worried, and we can kind of rep 87 and 76, but on the other hand he's unknown, so does he fold anything other than flush draws realistically? As for bet sizing, I'm going a bit bigger so he doesn't talk himself into a call. Probably about $1.80.

 

[vinylspiros]

Frankly I kind of like a flop fold. We're only getting 2:1, we're likely going to face bets on later streets, and it's unclear how much implied odds we really have. He's unknown so likely loose passive. He's donking big into us on the flop, which is more likely to be top pair or better.

As played on flop, turn is a very, very clear fold since a 7 is often no longer an out. As played onl turn, I'm sort of meh on river, because on the one hand, it looks like he's worried, and we can kind of rep 87 and 76, but on the other hand he's unknown, so does he fold anything other than flush draws realistically? As for bet sizing, I'm going a bit bigger so he doesn't talk himself into a call. Probably about $1.80.

Yea after looking at it again, i see what your saying in the analysis. Thanks alot. I fuess turn IS a clear fold as i lose an out(the 7). Thnks alot for the advice.


I have one more hand that i just played that is bothering me. Please take alook and tell me if you think this fold is too nitty? Or if i shouldn't have bet turn.

again villain is an unknown as i have just started playing on FTP for like 3-4 days and havent managed to get adequate hands on everyone yet.




Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

CO ($15.90)
Button ($5.72)
SB ($6.27)
BB ($5.20)
UTG ($2)
Hero (MP) ($5)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K

, K

1 fold, Hero raises to $0.17, 3 folds, BB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.36) 9

, 5

, 2

(2 players)
BB bets $0.21, Hero raises to $0.64, BB calls $0.43

Turn: ($1.64) Q

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.91, BB raises to $4.39 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $3.46 | Rake: $0.17

Results below:

Spoiler

BB didn't show
Outcome: BB won $3.29

 

[micromachine]

Looks like a good fold to me vinyl - I'd play that the same

 

[vinylspiros]

Looks like a good fold to me vinyl - I'd play that the same

good to know man. Although i have the flush draw on top of my over-pair, i just cant think of any hand he could be playing this way except for a set or a made flush.

I hate having to fold this though.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Line is perfect imo.

 

[vinylspiros]

Im starting to worry about my game. Tell me this isn't gross. could anyone ever lay this down? again villain is unknown unfortunately.


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

SB ($3.08)
Hero (BB) ($5.37)
UTG ($6)
MP ($8.64)
CO ($5.53)
Button ($6.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7

, 7

UTG calls $0.05, 2 folds, Button raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10, UTG calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.47) 10

, 8

, K

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks

Turn: ($0.47) 3

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks

River: ($0.47) 7

(3 players)
Hero bets $0.45, 1 fold, Button raises to $6.05 (All-In), Hero folds (im putting villain on a set of kings that was waiting for someone to catch up. a set of tens, set of eights, not really worried about two pair since he raised pre. AA is likely but i dont think hes shoving here, neither is AK IMO),-----is this train of thought EV-? in other words, when we grind cash and situations like this come up, do we call and if its a cooler, theres nothing we can do about it? or do we lay it down?

Total pot: $1.37 | Rake: $0.06

Results below:

Spoiler

Button didn't show
Outcome: Button won $1.31

 

[DrazaFFT]

I think that phil gordon said that long term when you have a set and there is only bigger set that can beat you, you should go for it because the times you win with a set will bring you lot more money than you can possibly lose when you face bigger set... I dont have anything to back this up, i read it in lil green and follow it like a blind man.

Tough fold vinyl, not much people that i know can lay that, respect!!
And if this guy had set of kings or tens, really really nice way to lose value of the monster, i would have him in ak kq

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[Stretch84]

Very nice fold, I would put him on ak/kq , looks like he was trying to let you catch up, I couldn't fold there because is, A set of K/T checking twice on the button?

 

[ScottishMatt]

I think that phil gordon said that long term when you have a set and there is only bigger set that can beat you, you should go for it because the times you win with a set will bring you lot more money than you can possibly lose when you face bigger set... I dont have anything to back this up, i read it in lil green and follow it like a blind man.

Tough fold vinyl, not much people that i know can lay that, respect!!
And if this guy had set of kings or tens, really really nice way to lose value of the monster, i would have him in ak kq

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J9 also beats him here.

Vinyl I'm fairly certain you were crushed, very good fold man!

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Idk how unknowns play in these games for the most part, but unless he can also take this line with KT or other 2pairs (the board's relatively dry so meh, maybe?) then it's a clear fold. If he only has sets and J9 then ofc we only beat one of those, so snap fold. But if we think he can over-value 2pair here then it's a clear gii imo.

It's that judgement I'm unsure about though.

 

[redwards92]

gross vinyl great fold man i had a similar spot not to long ago

Very nice fold, I would put him on ak/kq , looks like he was trying to let you catch up, I couldn't fold there because is, A set of K/T checking twice on the button?

^ check this hand out stretch

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 113 BB (VPIP: 15.23, PFR: 12.76, 3Bet Preflop: 3.30, Hands: 245)
Hero (SB): 191 BB
BB: 105.5 BB (VPIP: 18.37, PFR: 16.33, 3Bet Preflop: 15.38, Hands: 50)
UTG: 143 BB (VPIP: 15.04, PFR: 10.62, 3Bet Preflop: 6.98, Hands: 116)
UTG+1: 98 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
UTG+2: 105.5 BB (VPIP: 9.59, PFR: 4.11, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 73)
MP: 91.5 BB
MP+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
CO: 99.5 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♦ T♣

fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, UTG+2 raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 4.5 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (12 BB, 2 players) 9♥ K♦ 7♣
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks

Turn: (12 BB, 2 players) 7♠
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks

River: (12 BB, 2 players) T♥
Hero bets 14 BB, UTG+2 raises to 100.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 86.5 BB

Spoiler

UTG+2 shows K♣ K♥ (Full House, Kings full of Sevens) (Pre 81%, Flop 95%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows T♦ T♣ (Full House, Tens full of Sevens) (Pre 19%, Flop 5%, Turn 0%)
UTG+2 wins 205.5 BB

 

[vinylspiros]

Wow redwards!! Great example of what i was talking about. These hands in my opinion are identical. That is exactly how the hand played out in my head and why i folded.

 

[duggs]

different as its a paired board imo, i never fold river

 

[redwards92]

different as its a paired board imo, i never fold river

true I just thought it was so disgusting that a super nit just bombs the river like that

like I sat there and tanked a couple seconds like wtf is he doing it for value or does he think i am FOS ?

Like i couldn't tell if he was happily overshipping AK/AA in this spot.

I don't ever fold river either but I just about spit my beer all over my laptop when he turns up KK lol

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Don't drink and play, obv.

 

[duggs]

I never fold river never fold river in either hands tbh

 

[vinylspiros]

I never fold river never fold river in either hands tbh

So what , in your opinion, range does villain play like this to make these calls? esp in the first one with the KK?

 

[duggs]

TT hand, single most likely hand is QJ. But if KK is there it's hugely discounted and then 99/7x are also there.

 

[micromachine]

I'm definitely not folding the TT but the 77 I'm unsure about.

You beat KT (9 combos) and 33 (3 combos) and K8 (9 combos) and bluffs = 21 combos + bluffs.

You lose to 88 (3 combos), TT (3 combos), KK (3 combos), J9 (16 combos) = 25 combos.

So it's pretty close it seems, especially when you factor in the small chance he's bluffing but then again less weighting should probably be given to the 2 pair hands as he would be less likely to slow play these so 21 vs 25 is probably about right. I would imagine calling would be about break-even considering the amount you've already contributed to the pot.

 

[duggs]

87 is pretty likely, if people are seriously giving him J9 then we can give him way more 2pair hands, no reason to believe sets slow play but two pair hands don't.

 

[micromachine]

If we add 87 (3 combos) and give the same weighting to 2pair and sets and straights then you beat 24 combos + bluffs, and calling would be fine.

But I still think less weighting should be given to 2pair hands as a lot of people aren't happy about stacking with 2pair especially the weaker ones

 

[vinylspiros]

i see what you guys are saying. thanks alot. Look, im obviously never folding sets on dry boards. thing is usually when villains OVERBET SHOVE on such a dry board and with such a small pot, they usually show up with nutted hands. hands that a set of sevens cannot beat.