Pocketehs is mad, bro. Grinding to 25NL

[pocketehs]

Eh yeah, your post only adds to what I was trying to point out. That his line indicates a pure bluff or 2P+. So why are you raising? Most other 2P hands beat you so you can't be raising for value. Looking at your line he is never folding his value hands if you shove so your hand doesn't work as a bluff either.


To summarize, you can't bluff out better hands. You can't extract value from worse hands because he is so polarised. On its own your hand is strong, but relative to his line your hand acts as a bluffcatcher and little more. His value range destroys you and is never folding.

I would be calling to catch out all his missed draws.

Makes sense dude!

Plus looking back 67 got there too which I think can be a big part of his range as well

 

[ScottishMatt]

It might even be a fold, but I probably call cause I'm a fish.

Looking at it from his perspective the line you took indicates 2P or a flush draw, seeing as 2P probably isn't going to fold and flush draws are definitely going to fold if he was bluffing it would be in his best interests to bet smaller as the section of your range that isn't calling is going to fold irrelevant of bet sizing. That makes it look more like a value bet to me. Still there are other factors to take into consideration. And he probably isn't capable of thinking about that stuff on the spot.


Tough call, but I've been experimenting with going to showdown more often and I would probably call here. At the very least you get information.

 

[Yoshimiii]

Your AF looks to be too high, I think an average AF is 2.0 and an aggressive AF is around 3-4. Probably been boosted up due to the extremely high cbet % you have.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Eh yeah, your post only adds to what I was trying to point out. That his line indicates a pure bluff or 2P+. So why are you raising? Most other 2P hands beat you so you can't be raising for value. Looking at your line he is never folding his value hands if you shove so your hand doesn't work as a bluff either.


To summarize, you can't bluff out better hands. You can't extract value from worse hands because he is so polarised. On its own your hand is strong, but relative to his line your hand acts as a bluffcatcher and little more. His value range destroys you and is never folding.

I would be calling to catch out all his missed draws.

This. Villain is extremely polarized. We're really just bluff-catching ainec really between calling vs. jamming. I almost find a fold here except that this sizing looks like he doesn't want a call imo.

But sometimes people bomb it with the nuts too, so dunno. Still prob calling though

 

[acky100]

I think cause of sizing this is a fold but we are at the top of our range vs an unknown...

i'm folding the AQ most of the time, disagree we are at top of our range and don't think people bluff this run out very often

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

nit

 

[pocketehs]

Your AF looks to be too high, I think an average AF is 2.0 and an aggressive AF is around 3-4. Probably been boosted up due to the extremely high cbet % you have.

Yoshimii - I've got my cbet to around 74% of my last 14k hands so far this month and my AF is still like 3.2-3.5.

Obv this means Im being way too aggro but I dont even get how its so high?!

This. Villain is extremely polarized. We're really just bluff-catching ainec really between calling vs. jamming. I almost find a fold here except that this sizing looks like he doesn't want a call imo.

But sometimes people bomb it with the nuts too, so dunno. Still prob calling though

Yeah I called for sure. KQo

i'm folding the AQ most of the time, disagree we are at top of our range and don't think people bluff this run out very often

I folded because I thought it didnt look like a bluff either.

nit

K help here please! in before cbet the flop lol

-4bet because he looked reggy
- when he flats I can tell if he has the nuts or is just bad and cant fold hands like 99 AJ KJ etc
- didnt cbet cause i thought he hit the flop a lot and i still have some equity
- delayed cbet OTT
- check river cause now i have SDV?


PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $3.90 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
Hero (UTG): $10.60
CO: $10.95 (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 15.38, Hands: 26)
BTN: $6.18 (VPIP: 62.50, PFR: 11.25, 3Bet Preflop: 3.54, Hands: 243)
SB: $4.00 (VPIP: 18.21, PFR: 15.95, 3Bet Preflop: 9.71, Hands: 1,416)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q:diamond: A:diamond:

Hero raises to $0.30, CO raises to $0.90, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2.10, CO calls $1.20

Flop: ($4.35, 2 players) T:spade: K:club: 3:heart:
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($4.35, 2 players) 9:club:
Hero bets $2.20, CO calls $2.20

River: ($8.75, 2 players) A:spade:
Hero checks, CO checks

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I think I bet/fold river because he can trick himself into calling with AJcc and the like that picked up TP, and he might bluff catch with Kx or even QQ (but I doubt it).

Flop is kind of a mandatory cbet though I think. He has to fold JJ here doesn't he? And imo his range is capped and doesn't contain AA/KK too much given the preflop action.

But speaking of preflop - why exactly are we 4betting??? It can't possibly be for value, can it? Yes he's going to 3bet some bluffs, but I think not as many will be bluffs since we are opening UTG. And will he call the 4bet with his bluffs? Will he 5bet? Either way I'm not really excited cause I probably have to fold to a reasonably sized 5bet, and if he calls the 4bet the only thing I've gained is initiative. I think I flat the 3bet pre. Keep his weaker and dominated bluffing hands in.

 

[duggs]

flat pre, b/f he has 0 nutted hands on that river so pretty easy value bet.

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

who'd you know that 3bets an UTG open with AJc?

maybe flat pre, maybe even fold pre since we're OOP.

bet/fold flop, people have less Kx combos than you think and we always have equity when called.

river we're prob good, dunno how much value we can get though

 

[ScottishMatt]

Weird line. I don't like the 4-bet pre, I've been getting myself into similar situations and most of the time he will 5-bet shove when he dominates you or fold otherwise. So you can flat or fold pre depending on how many bluffs you think he has.

As played I think river is a valuebet. He never has you beat, so even if it is only once in a blue moon that you can extract from him I think it is worth the bet. I probably make it the exact same sizing as your turn bet, just enough to look like a weak bluff and give him good odds.

 

[pocketehs]

Good points guys. I dont like flatting pre OOP because if it comes A high Im going to have to call at least two barrels. But I guess vs this guy it can be a flat.

Had another sick session today +4BI. BR is over $400 now so going to move up to 16NL while Im running hot.


Have a question about this guys range? I couldnt tell if his range would hit this flop a lot or not.

His F3B is about 60% and hes a bad reg.



PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): $10.68
BB: $9.85 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 17.78, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 93)
UTG: $10.24 (VPIP: 17.43, PFR: 12.16, 3Bet Preflop: 2.53, Hands: 450)
CO: $10.06 (VPIP: 21.57, PFR: 9.80, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 54)
BTN: $28.17 (VPIP: 27.87, PFR: 18.39, 3Bet Preflop: 8.20, Hands: 364)

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has K:club: K:spade:

fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1.10, fold, BTN calls $0.80

Flop: ($2.30, 2 players) 5:club: 3:heart: 7:club:
Hero bets $1.40, BTN calls $1.40

Turn: ($5.10, 2 players) 8:club:
Hero ?


Hand 2 - hahaha was the lucky receipent of a tilt shove tonight it really is way better to be on the other end of things

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $25.79 (VPIP: 32.57, PFR: 24.57, 3Bet Preflop: 8.47, Hands: 181)
Hero (MP): $16.33
CO: $9.40 (VPIP: 8.93, PFR: 8.93, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 59)
BTN: $11.97 (VPIP: 15.52, PFR: 12.93, 3Bet Preflop: 8.11, Hands: 118)
SB: $10.05 (VPIP: 24.79, PFR: 18.91, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 249)
BB: $6.90 (VPIP: 18.56, PFR: 16.21, 3Bet Preflop: 10.22, Hands: 1,488)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has K:spade: A:spade:

UTG raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) 5:spade: 6:heart: 6:diamond:
UTG bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.15, 2 players) K:club:
UTG bets $2.00, Hero calls $2.00

River: ($6.15, 2 players) K:heart:
UTG bets $22.79 and is all-in, Hero calls $13.33 and is all-in

 

[ScottishMatt]

First hand I would say his range OTF that can call a bet consists of suited broadways and slight overpairs (88-JJ). Possibly QQ if he is a 4-bet pussy (which is most likely). He can be flatting plenty of PP's. Had a nit do that to me the other day so I wouldn't put it past him, he most likely has an extremely unprofitable 3-bet game. I probably bet half pot OTT, anyone flatting a 3-bet with stuff like 99 here is dumb enough to call with worse. If you get raised then you are probably up against a flush or a set and I would fold. So overall I feel like you can still extract value, but make the bets small to save yourself when he comes over the top.

 

[pocketehs]

First hand I would say his range OTF that can call a bet consists of suited broadways and slight overpairs (88-JJ). Possibly QQ if he is a 4-bet pussy (which is most likely). He can be flatting plenty of PP's. Had a nit do that to me the other day so I wouldn't put it past him, he most likely has an extremely unprofitable 3-bet game. I probably bet half pot OTT, anyone flatting a 3-bet with stuff like 99 here is dumb enough to call with worse. If you get raised then you are probably up against a flush or a set and I would fold. So overall I feel like you can still extract value, but make the bets small to save yourself when he comes over the top.

Agree with the part about PPs and broadways but what about SCs? i think he 4bets QQ though - look at his stats. Like your betsizing and turn decisions as well Matt.


Pretty pissed off at myself. had a really solid 2.5 hr session and didnt spew the whole time until I spazzed with KK on the worst board to almost 200bbs havent done that in a while tbh.



Hand 1

I think c-bet should be way larger
-turn should be a x/call right?


PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $9.64 (VPIP: 46.15, PFR: 17.95, 3Bet Preflop: 2.78, Hands: 79)
BTN: $14.53 (VPIP: 39.05, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 4.44, Hands: 106)
SB: $16.62 (VPIP: 19.47, PFR: 12.63, 3Bet Preflop: 2.44, Hands: 196)
Hero (BB): $12.75
UTG: $20.60 (VPIP: 23.27, PFR: 19.31, 3Bet Preflop: 5.63, Hands: 209)
MP: $11.57 (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 17.22, 3Bet Preflop: 1.52, Hands: 190)

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 6:spade: 8:spade:

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.35, fold, Hero raises to $1.10, BTN calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.25, 2 players) 9:spade: 8:heart: A:spade:
Hero bets $1.30, BTN calls $1.30

Turn: ($4.85, 2 players) T:club:
Hero checks, BTN bets $4.00



Hand 2
- look good vs unknown? if no, what if i say he is from Russia...is it good then? lol
- obv 4betting to GII
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PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): $13.60
BB: $10.00 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 1)
CO: $10.97 (VPIP: 20.13, PFR: 15.09, 3Bet Preflop: 6.15, Hands: 160)
BTN: $10.99 (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 81)

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A:diamond: Q:heart:

fold, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.25, BB raises to $1.20, fold, Hero raises to $3.00, BB calls $1.80

Flop: ($6.30, 2 players) 5:club: A:spade: 6:diamond:
Hero bets $3.00, BB raises to $7.00 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.00

Turn: ($20.30, 2 players) J:spade:

River: ($20.30, 2 players) 9:spade:

 

[Jackle43]

Hand 2 what do you think he is shoving that flop with? And showing aggression pre against two players?

 

[AlfieAA]

Wow $400 already, that's great man, you must be proud of working your way up to that from a $50 deposit, considering you are still new to the game, and still learning, that's pretty epic tbh...a good sign of things to come....remember us when you are famous bro

 

[pocketehs]

Hand 2 what do you think he is shoving that flop with? And showing aggression pre against two players?

probably a lot wider cause I flat pre so hes squeezing. I think he squeezes super wide but when I 4bet and he jams I think I have to call considering hes probs jammign AQ+/JJ+. I want to say TT+/AJ+ but dk...

Wow $400 already, that's great man, you must be proud of working your way up to that from a $50 deposit, considering you are still new to the game, and still learning, that's pretty epic tbh...a good sign of things to come....remember us when you are famous bro

thanks bro appreciate it. been putting in a lot of volume and taking other advice

 

[ScottishMatt]

You got your hands mixed up bro. 68s OOP isn't a 3-bet vs a fishy player. Whereas AQ is. Unless you flatted with the intention of letting him squeeze because you know he is a 3-bet junkie. With him being an unknown, it's tough to make that judgement.

Hand 1 - I would just fold pre. You are going to end up with a weak 1 pair hand or a draw and playing OOP vs a guy who looks to be a station. OTF you have plenty of outs, I like C-bet size. You don't have to go crazy in 3-bet pots TBH. 50-60% is good especially on A-high boards where you will be getting folds the most often. All right so you kind of got yourself into a mess here, despite having one of the best case scenarios flop for you. You are obviously going to C-bet this board, depending on whether you feel the BTN will be peeling you with JJ-KK once then you might want to double barrel. I probably would, but I think I might be wrong on this one. So I can't really say what the best turn decision is. Simply play safer preflop when against morons and avoid tough spots like this.

Hand 2 - I say 3-bet pre. As played you kinda have to GII on that flop, some villains will shove over flop Cbets with JJ hoping you fold out QQ/KK. Your 4-bet doesn't have to be so big, if you make it smaller then it looks more like a bluff. I'd say about 2.50-2.60.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

68s appears to be a fave for 3betting OOP around here against bad players and I just don't understand why.

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

^ hater

although this time its kinda bad because he's a fihs and he's just gonna flat so much IP

 

[Matt Vaughan]

^ hater

although this time its kinda bad because he's a fihs and he's just gonna flat so much IP

[X] Gives reason that it's bad this time
[X] Is same reason that it's always been bad (for the most part)

Would argue that he doesn't need to even be a fish, since regs will flat a lot IP too, right? But yah.

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

not at 10nl they won't.

and mine wasnt as bad since we can make regs fold more postflop, + we need a light 3bet range that isnt dominated by calling ranges.

so yeah, mines justified.

 

[youregoodmate]

Hand 1

I think c-bet should be way larger
-turn should be a x/call right?


PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $9.64 (VPIP: 46.15, PFR: 17.95, 3Bet Preflop: 2.78, Hands: 79)
BTN: $14.53 (VPIP: 39.05, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 4.44, Hands: 106)
SB: $16.62 (VPIP: 19.47, PFR: 12.63, 3Bet Preflop: 2.44, Hands: 196)
Hero (BB): $12.75
UTG: $20.60 (VPIP: 23.27, PFR: 19.31, 3Bet Preflop: 5.63, Hands: 209)
MP: $11.57 (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 17.22, 3Bet Preflop: 1.52, Hands: 190)

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 6♠ 8♠

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.35, fold, Hero raises to $1.10, BTN calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.25, 2 players) 9♠ 8♥ A♠
Hero bets $1.30, BTN calls $1.30

Turn: ($4.85, 2 players) T♣
Hero checks, BTN bets $4.00

I think its a fold pre, hes prob flatting us too often here. I barrel the turn and maybe jam river.

 

[pocketehs]

You got your hands mixed up bro. 68s OOP isn't a 3-bet vs a fishy player. Whereas AQ is. Unless you flatted with the intention of letting him squeeze because you know he is a 3-bet junkie. With him being an unknown, it's tough to make that judgement.

.

good analysis Matt!

Im trying to look back and figure out why I would 3bet in those spots. cause immediately I hate both decisions. I think I was looking at f3bet stat. PT4 is down agaiinnnn so Ill check again tomorrow.

Pretty standard suckouts that im not going to ***** about when i obv moved up to 16 lol going to start taking 1 hand a week and writing the range on each street and making ev calcs / range equities cause i need to learn it eventually and want to stop procrastinating

going to start with 3/4 bet equity ranges

 

[S93]

Stop 3 betting me.