Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[John A]

On a more serious note. I've been a lot more diligent lately in making sure I can get my stack in by the river with my monsters but I've managed to scare a few people off this evening with pot sized river bets. Is it better to try and make the pot bigger than stacks by the river against certain types of players? I feel like good players may know what I'm doing and weaker players might be scared off??

I made a min rereaise here because I feel like these donk bets are usually not top pair, they're usually second pair or a pocket pair and I didn't want to scare away a J. I felt confident he had one and would pay me off but he must have had a pp or k with a 10 or worse.

PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 30 BB
UTG: 97.5 BB
UTG+1: 98.5 BB
Hero (MP): 101.55 BB
MP+1: 31.71 BB
CO: 191.68 BB
BTN: 19.1 BB
SB: 101.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8♠ 8♦

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 4 BB

Flop: (11.5 BB, 2 players) K♥ 8♣ J♦
UTG bets 8 BB, Hero raises to 16 BB, UTG calls 8 BB

Turn: (43.5 BB, 2 players) J♥
UTG checks, Hero bets 20 BB, UTG calls 20 BB

River: (83.5 BB, 2 players) 5♦
UTG checks, Hero raises to 60.55 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 80.5 BB

I think a min raise on the flop is fine. I'd probably go a little larger, just because you want to plan your river sizing. You want it to be an extremely easy call for your opponent if they have Kx or Jx by the river. As played, even 25 on the turn, will get the same amount of calls, but make the river call easier. So you'd have 93.5 on the river, with 55 left behind. A much easier call for your opponent with KQ. They most likely had a draw, but you don't wan to lose the Kx hands, so bet sizing is very important.

 

[John A]

2 Deep stacked hands from tonight.
Hand 1. keep running into this position alot when UTG raises and I have 88 99 TT and even JJ. another story had QQ later on and ran into Aces lol

When utg raises and you have a hand like 66-TT is it best to keep it simple, just call and get to showdown but fold to a double barrel

Hand 2 to be honest not sure how to play maybe just call his rasie for Pot Control as unlikely to win a big pot even in position, Think I completeely messed it up

Hand 1
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2 (100 bb)
BB: $1.91 (95.5 bb)
UTG: $2.58 (129 bb)
MP: $3.51 (175.5 bb)
CO: $2.37 (118.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $2.85 (142.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8

8

UTG raises to $0.04, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, 2 folds, UTG raises to $0.32, Hero calls $0.20

No, make it even simpler and just fold here pre-flop. You're not deep enough to be making this call vs UTG raise. If you're 4-bet, say, TY kind sir for saving me money, and fold.

Flop: ($0.67) 9

9

J

(2 players)
UTG bets $0.32, Hero raises to $0.64, UTG raises to $2.26 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.62

Hand 2
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $4.78 (239 bb)
Hero (BB): $3.69 (184.5 bb)
UTG: $2.25 (112.5 bb)
MP: $2.81 (140.5 bb)
CO: $3.12 (156 bb)
BTN: $2.42 (121 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T

T

4 folds, SB raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.18, SB raises to $0.54, Hero calls $0.36

Flop: ($1.08) 2

J

3

(2 players)
SB bets $0.88, Hero raises to $1.76, SB raises to $4.24, Hero calls $1.39

Turn: ($7.38) K

(2 players)
River: ($7.38) J

(2 players)

Results: $7.38 pot ($0.26 rake)
Final Board: 2

J

3

K

J

SB showed A

A

and won $7.12 ($3.43 net)
Hero showed T

T

and lost (-$3.69 net)

hand 2 in Bvb... any stats? Because you're deep it would really depend on how bad he is. Pre-flop is ok. I think I'd just call the flop, and release on the turn. In a 4-bet pot, he's not going to go crazy this deep w/o a hand. It's not ideal because his flop sizing is pretty large, but I think at 2nl you can safely do this when you're this deep.

 

[John A]

The TT hand is different with it being b on b but again the flop raise is imo too ambitious with just 2nd pair and you priced yourself in with it. Preflop is okay but we are WA/wb so just call on the flop and see if he checks the turn if not fold to the turn bet. 4bet and two barrels is enough evidence to lay down TT against all but a maniac.

Bingo... you win.

 

[rhombus]

thanks guys

btw the BvB hand stats were 16/13 AG3.0 3Bet 9.1 32 hands

Just had small sesson from hell and to go with the hands I butchered yesterday to wipe out my small winnings. 2 set over sets hitting trips and losing to boats etc and folding to check raises when I bet top pair and feeling abused Plus point - Still not Tilting

The couple of times i hit a set they had jack $%^&.

I know I should be moving up but become more of a challenge now. I wanted to get up to 5bb/100 for each level so may stick it out alittle bit longer.

Interesting hand from earlier, good bluff/bad bluff?

One of reasons I Cbet was the back door outs having Ace Clubs and BDS as well, maybe I should have checked back the turn although when I bet it and the club came I saw as opportuninty to get him off a hand like 88, TT or posibly a tight fold with AQ. His stats 13/11 AG0.3 3B0.0 39 hands

poker stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.78 (139 bb)
Hero (BB): $2.61 (130.5 bb)
UTG: $4.58 (229 bb)
MP: $1.22 (61 bb)
CO: $1.34 (67 bb)
BTN: $3.98 (199 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

A

3 folds, BTN raises to $0.05, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.16, BTN calls $0.11

Flop: ($0.33) 9

Q

4

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.22, BTN calls $0.22

Turn: ($0.77) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.42, BTN calls $0.42

River: ($1.61) J

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.08

 

[John A]

Once you're called here I'd shut down on that kind of turn when you're OOP. That card does nothing to change anything, so if he didn't fold on the flop in a 3-bet pot, it's unlikely he'd fold on the turn either. You want to double when you pick up some extra one card equity. Meaning, your equity from the flop to the turn - not the flop to the river, improves.

I wouldn't bet the river either. I'd just give up. That card hits his range. I assume it worked though.

That's good you're not tilting!

 

[Aces2w1n]

thanks guys

btw the BvB hand stats were 16/13 AG3.0 3Bet 9.1 32 hands

Just had small sesson from hell and to go with the hands I butchered yesterday to wipe out my small winnings. 2 set over sets hitting trips and losing to boats etc and folding to check raises when I bet top pair and feeling abused Plus point - Still not Tilting

The couple of times i hit a set they had jack $%^&.

I know I should be moving up but become more of a challenge now. I wanted to get up to 5bb/100 for each level so may stick it out alittle bit longer.

Interesting hand from earlier, good bluff/bad bluff?

One of reasons I Cbet was the back door outs having Ace Clubs and BDS as well, maybe I should have checked back the turn although when I bet it and the club came I saw as opportuninty to get him off a hand like 88, TT or posibly a tight fold with AQ. His stats 13/11 AG0.3 3B0.0 39 hands

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.78 (139 bb)
Hero (BB): $2.61 (130.5 bb)
UTG: $4.58 (229 bb)
MP: $1.22 (61 bb)
CO: $1.34 (67 bb)
BTN: $3.98 (199 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

A

3 folds, BTN raises to $0.05, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.16, BTN calls $0.11

Flop: ($0.33) 9

Q

4

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.22, BTN calls $0.22

Turn: ($0.77) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.42, BTN calls $0.42

River: ($1.61) J

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.08

I understand barrelling the 3 but that river just hits our opponents range. Almost they are never folding here unless against a decent reg but even still they call this

Well connected boards just dont get folds enough ... river just fills the gap and your hitting yourself against a brickwall.

uou cant get too created at this level a lot of players just play their hand

 

[rhombus]

Once you're called here I'd shut down on that kind of turn when you're OOP. That card does nothing to change anything, so if he didn't fold on the flop in a 3-bet pot, it's unlikely he'd fold on the turn either. You want to double when you pick up some extra one card equity. Meaning, your equity from the flop to the turn - not the flop to the river, improves.

I wouldn't bet the river either. I'd just give up. That card hits his range. I assume it worked though.

That's good you're not tilting!

Nah he had Js9s. he picked up flush draw on turn then hit 2 pair on river, probably would have worked if a lower club.

When you mention about firing again when you pick up more equity, what percentage of the time approx would you do this especially if you have showdown value.

I think i probably slowdown more to realise the equity I have and dont want to get blown of it. Are you saying its better to double barrel and not worry so mcuh about being raised off the pot.

 

[rhombus]

I understand barrelling the 3 but that river just hits our opponents range. Almost they are never folding here unless against a decent reg but even still they call this

Well connected boards just dont get folds enough ... river just fills the gap and your hitting yourself against a brickwall.

uou cant get too created at this level a lot of players just play their hand

Yup the more I play at this level the more I realise its a game of
Bet/Bet/Fold
Dont Bluff
Hardly anyone 4bet bluffs.
Deep stack dont get it all in Preflop with AK when 200 bbs deep

 

[Aces2w1n]

Yup the more I play at this level the more I realise its a game of
Bet/Bet/Fold
Dont Bluff
Hardly anyone 4bet bluffs.
Deep stack dont get it all in Preflop with AK when 200 bbs deep

Heh the funny thing is ak can get in pre just not against the regs or nittish players.

Fishy players and maniacs pretty much aq and up lol and even medium pockets up but u gotta make sure u got reads

Im currently winning on 2nl atm ... just cant assume to always fold ak to 4bets .. some players i call 3bets and others i shove

Like someone said on another post if your always saying u always play a hand a certain way then its dangerous because ur not adjusting to table dynamics and being predictable

 

[John A]

Nah he had Js9s. he picked up flush draw on turn then hit 2 pair on river, probably would have worked if a lower club.

When you mention about firing again when you pick up more equity, what percentage of the time approx would you do this especially if you have showdown value.

I think i probably slowdown more to realise the equity I have and dont want to get blown of it. Are you saying its better to double barrel and not worry so mcuh about being raised off the pot.

It's not a percentage of the time. If it's the correct situation, then I'd do it 100% of the time. One thing to note about your hand. If you whiff, ESPECIALLY oop in a 3-bet pot, you c-bet, get called and the turn is a brick, I'd almost never fire again. That's generally burning money. So here's a scenario where I whiff and I'd bet again using the same action up until the turn as you:

My hand: AcTs

Flop: Qh 7c 5c

Turn: Kc

Gutshot, perhaps overcard and flush. But even if it was Ks, I'd fire again of course. But it needs to be something that helps my equity, and it's even more profitable when it helps my equity and perceived range.

Turn: 3c - this turn is ok, but it just helps my equity. Not both. I'd fire on this sometimes against certain opponents. But Kc is a much better card because it helps my equity AND my perceived range.

Make more sense?

 

[rhombus]

It's not a percentage of the time. If it's the correct situation, then I'd do it 100% of the time. One thing to note about your hand. If you whiff, ESPECIALLY oop in a 3-bet pot, you c-bet, get called and the turn is a brick, I'd almost never fire again. That's generally burning money. So here's a scenario where I whiff and I'd bet again using the same action up until the turn as you:

My hand: AcTs

Flop: Kh 9c 5c

Turn: Jc

Gutshot, perhaps overcard and flush. But even if it was Qs, I'd fire again. But it needs to be something that helps my equity, and it's even more profitable when it helps my equity and perceived range.

Turn: 3c - this turn is ok, but it just helps my equity. Not both. I'd fire on this sometimes against certain opponents. But Qc is a much better card.

Make more sense?

Yup, think ive been doing what you are saying but not at the same time lol.

If I Cbet as preflop raiser and get called and then an ace or King appears I'll sometimes fire again as it hits my range and dont take into account whether it improves equity or not. Also fire if I hit a flush draw similar to 3c but as you said doesnt hit my range so more likely to be called.

So RangeImprovement + EquityImprovement = even the fish blink when you fire again

 

[rhombus]

Well, the numbers are looking better. 3-bet is plenty ok. You don't want to go overboard there. Aggression is slowly getting there. Something that will help is actually cutting down a few of your hands. I'd like to see your VPIP get down just a tiny bit and your pfr up slightly. Work on reducing this gap a little by cold calling less. Something like 23/29 or 22/18 would be much better for you. This will help wtsd and w$sd by default.

But don't just arbitrarily check-raise more. You can use stop and go, like is discussed in polished poker. You can bluff raise more in position in spots where you have some decent back door equity but no hand yet. But don't over do it... you're play 2nl, so you don't want to get too fancy. You mainly get your aggression up by thinking in terms of, "how do :I take control of this hand?", and if I can't, then don't get involved, unless you're trapping.

30K Update
after dipping to -$ after about 28K, managed to get back in profit
since 25K
WTSD% dropped
W$SD% increased
Aggresssion stayed about same - could increase
3Bet I cant help myself lol. Late position openers when they steal I'm like no way Jóse and 3bet out of blinds with alot of suited Ace, King and Even Queen rag.

Think I need to ditch the K and Q suited and flat call with Hands like KQ, AJo when in blinds.

also still working on reducing VPIP and increasing PFR a touch

Also I'm using the Leakbuster Max HUD and still dont fully get the W$WSF, as Im playing zoom 4tabling can i look at this figure to give good idea whether they are fish or aggro etc or do I need to combine it with another figure

 

[or3o1990]

Hey guys. If anyone wants to have a sweat session today I'll be playing some cash games in about an hour! Come hang out! Or I can sweat one of you if you're willing to jump into the roaster!!

Add me on skype: or3o1990

 

[John A]

I'm going to fire my system up and play some hands for those in the group who want to sweat me for a bit today.

 

[or3o1990]

I'm going to fire my system up and play some hands for those in the group who want to sweat me for a bit today.

 

[Figaroo2]

Great so I haven't played for a week because of work 10th hand of the night.
And my mouse isnt working so its just one table...
I'm available for a few hours now for a sweat

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $24.05 (96.2 bb)
BB: $26.11 (104.4 bb)
UTG+2: $32.22 (128.9 bb)
MP1: $9.50 (38 bb)
MP2: $27.94 (111.8 bb) weaker reg
MP3: $25 (100 bb)
Hero (CO): $28.95 (115.8 bb)
BTN: $9.65 (38.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K:club: Q:club:
UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 raises to $0.75, MP3 folds, Hero calls $0.75, 3 folds, MP1 calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.60) 7:diamond: K:heart: Q:diamond: (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 bets $1.86, Hero raises to $4, MP1 calls $4, MP2 raises to $27.19,
Hero?
I'm like hello I've been away wtf are you doing to me.
Ok so I'm like does he have a draw like AK diamonds or does he have the unlikely set, is he bad enough to do this with AA?
So I reckon I'm just the better side of a flip against that range and should get it in, anyone adding in any other hands?

 

[or3o1990]

Less likely than a set but maybe he also has kq. If hes not gonna do this with aa then he cant be doing it with ak without diamonds.

Seems most like a flush draw but if its a set of 7's this is just a cooler.

 

[rhombus]

Great so I haven't played for a week because of work 10th hand of the night.
And my mouse isnt working so its just one table...
I'm available for a few hours now for a sweat

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $24.05 (96.2 bb)
BB: $26.11 (104.4 bb)
UTG+2: $32.22 (128.9 bb)
MP1: $9.50 (38 bb)
MP2: $27.94 (111.8 bb) weaker reg
MP3: $25 (100 bb)
Hero (CO): $28.95 (115.8 bb)
BTN: $9.65 (38.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K♣ Q♣
UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 raises to $0.75, MP3 folds, Hero calls $0.75, 3 folds, MP1 calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.60) 7♦ K♥ Q♦ (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 bets $1.86, Hero raises to $4, MP1 calls $4, MP2 raises to $27.19,
Hero?
I'm like hello I've been away wtf are you doing to me.
Ok so I'm like does he have a draw like AK diamonds or does he have the unlikely set, is he bad enough to do this with AA?
So I reckon I'm just the better side of a flip against that range and should get it in, anyone adding in any other hands?

Stop throwing your mouse at the wall
most likely holding TJdiamonds or bottom set and wants to get hand over with either way flip at best and fold

 

[John A]

Here's that AK hand from the sweat session. Only 3 hands on the guy at the time, but he seemed likely to be loose.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 113.42 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
Hero (BTN): 98.5 BB
SB: 391.3 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BB: 327.62 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
UTG: 71.82 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 181.52 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:heart: A:spade:

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB raises to 11 BB, fold, Hero raises to 25 BB, SB calls 14 BB

Flop: (51 BB, 2 players) Q:spade: 9:diamond: Q:club:
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (51 BB, 2 players) 6:club:
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (51 BB, 2 players) 3:heart:
SB checks, Hero checks


Ace Poker Drills Poker Equity Calculator
Board: Qs 9d Qc

Equity Win Tie Hand Range
33.33% 24.6391% 8.6878% [As Kh]
66.67% 57.9853% 8.6878% [88+(100), AJs+(100), AQo+(100), KQs(100), 87s(100), 76s(100),]

 

[or3o1990]

I managed to get into a couple of interesting spots. This first hand I attacked this bet even though I turned a ton of outs and could have just called. I've just been reading these underbets as weak and I attack them almost all of the time.

Fig disagreed with the raise on the turn and I think he's right because if I'd gotten shoved on I would have a more difficult decision. I think it would have been better to just call and maybe he check folds on river when I miss or maybe he underbets again then I can raise bluff and then fold the river instead..

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 98.5 BB
CO: 84.76 BB
Hero (BTN): 121.1 BB
SB: 145.6 BB
BB: 111.2 BB
UTG: 104 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♣ J♣

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop: (10 BB, 3 players) T♦ 3♥ 8♣
SB checks, CO bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB, fold

Turn: (18 BB, 2 players) 9♣
CO bets 7 BB, Hero raises to 19 BB, fold

Hero wins 30.4 BB

On this hand I was trying to induce him to bluff on the river and it worked nicely. I attacked his limp a couple of hands prior and he probably thought I was messing around here. I figured I'd be beaten sometimes by a better jack or a boat and his min reraise did seem very value-ish but we've gotta call.

PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): 98.45 BB
BTN: 98.5 BB
SB: 169.96 BB
BB: 80.55 BB
UTG: 144.11 BB
UTG+1: 98.5 BB
MP: 30 BB
MP+1: 97.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, MP posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has T♠ J♠

fold, fold, MP checks, MP+1 calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 4 BB

Flop: (12.5 BB, 2 players) 7♥ 3♣ J♥
MP+1 checks, Hero bets 7 BB, MP+1 calls 7 BB

Turn: (26.5 BB, 2 players) J♣
MP+1 checks, Hero bets 16 BB, MP+1 calls 16 BB

River: (58.5 BB, 2 players) 2♦
MP+1 checks, Hero bets 22 BB, MP+1 raises to 44 BB, Hero calls 22 BB

MP+1 shows 4♠ 4♦ (Two Pair, Jacks and Fours)
(Pre 47%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows T♠ J♠ (Three of a Kind, Jacks)
(Pre 53%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)
Hero wins 143.5 BB

 

[John A]

I managed to get into a couple of interesting spots. This first hand I attacked this bet even though I turned a ton of outs and could have just called. I've just been reading these underbets as weak and I attack them almost all of the time.

Fig disagreed with the raise on the turn and I think he's right because if I'd gotten shoved on I would have a more difficult decision. I think it would have been better to just call and maybe he check folds on river when I miss or maybe he underbets again then I can raise bluff and then fold the river instead..

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 98.5 BB
CO: 84.76 BB
Hero (BTN): 121.1 BB
SB: 145.6 BB
BB: 111.2 BB
UTG: 104 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♣ J♣

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop: (10 BB, 3 players) T♦ 3♥ 8♣
SB checks, CO bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB, fold

Turn: (18 BB, 2 players) 9♣
CO bets 7 BB, Hero raises to 19 BB, fold

Hero wins 30.4 BB

I don't mind the raise if effective stacks are > 100, but as they are, that's pretty close. I'd just have raised the flop instead of floating, looking at potential stack issues for the turn or river.

On this hand I was trying to induce him to bluff on the river and it worked nicely. I attacked his limp a couple of hands prior and he probably thought I was messing around here. I figured I'd be beaten sometimes by a better jack or a boat and his min reraise did seem very value-ish but we've gotta call.

PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): 98.45 BB
BTN: 98.5 BB
SB: 169.96 BB
BB: 80.55 BB
UTG: 144.11 BB
UTG+1: 98.5 BB
MP: 30 BB
MP+1: 97.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, MP posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has T♠ J♠

fold, fold, MP checks, MP+1 calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 4 BB

Flop: (12.5 BB, 2 players) 7♥ 3♣ J♥
MP+1 checks, Hero bets 7 BB, MP+1 calls 7 BB

Turn: (26.5 BB, 2 players) J♣
MP+1 checks, Hero bets 16 BB, MP+1 calls 16 BB

River: (58.5 BB, 2 players) 2♦
MP+1 checks, Hero bets 22 BB, MP+1 raises to 44 BB, Hero calls 22 BB

MP+1 shows 4♠ 4♦ (Two Pair, Jacks and Fours)
(Pre 47%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows T♠ J♠ (Three of a Kind, Jacks)
(Pre 53%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)
Hero wins 143.5 BB

Your thought process is a little confusing here. You tried to induce a bluff on the river, and got one, but weren't confident in the call? Also, I'm not sure why you think he'd try and bluff the river to begin with (because of hearts, or gut shot?). Especially someone who is limp/calling. And yes, draw heavy boards will hit limp/call ranges, but more like 7h8hXx kind of boards. You should just be going for straight value by betting larger on ever street. If you were looking to induce a bluff, then an even smaller bet would need to be done. Something like 1/3rd of the pot or less.

I like the effort though! It's good you're thinking like this. I guess one of the hands you saw me play today influenced this a bit.

 

[Aces2w1n]

Great so I haven't played for a week because of work 10th hand of the night.
And my mouse isnt working so its just one table...
I'm available for a few hours now for a sweat

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $24.05 (96.2 bb)
BB: $26.11 (104.4 bb)
UTG+2: $32.22 (128.9 bb)
MP1: $9.50 (38 bb)
MP2: $27.94 (111.8 bb) weaker reg
MP3: $25 (100 bb)
Hero (CO): $28.95 (115.8 bb)
BTN: $9.65 (38.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K<font color='black'>♣</font> Q<font color='black'>♣</font>
UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 raises to $0.75, MP3 folds, Hero calls $0.75, 3 folds, MP1 calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.60) 7<font color='red'>♦</font> K<font color='red'>♥</font> Q<font color='red'>♦</font> (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 bets $1.86, Hero raises to $4, MP1 calls $4, MP2 raises to $27.19,
Hero?
I'm like hello I've been away wtf are you doing to me.
Ok so I'm like does he have a draw like AK diamonds or does he have the unlikely set, is he bad enough to do this with AA?
So I reckon I'm just the better side of a flip against that range and should get it in, anyone adding in any other hands?

Lol so many hands this happ3ns to me and opponent without a doubt has bottom set

 

[Aces2w1n]

Here's that AK hand from the sweat session. Only 3 hands on the guy at the time, but he seemed likely to be loose.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 113.42 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
Hero (BTN): 98.5 BB
SB: 391.3 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BB: 327.62 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
UTG: 71.82 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 181.52 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K<font color='red'>♥</font> A<font color='black'>♠</font>

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB raises to 11 BB, fold, Hero raises to 25 BB, SB calls 14 BB

Flop: (51 BB, 2 players) Q<font color='black'>♠</font> 9<font color='red'>♦</font> Q<font color='black'>♣</font>
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (51 BB, 2 players) 6<font color='black'>♣</font>
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (51 BB, 2 players) 3<font color='red'>♥</font>
SB checks, Hero checks


Ace Poker Drills Poker Equity Calculator
Board: Qs 9d Qc

Equity Win Tie Hand Range
33.33% 24.6391% 8.6878% [As Kh]
66.67% 57.9853% 8.6878% [88+(100), AJs+(100), AQo+(100), KQs(100), 87s(100), 76s(100),]

Why didnt you bet flop and end the hand on flop??? If checking cuz worse hands cant call ?? Then i understand flop

But y not turn... obv our oppon3nt had pp he wouldve stabbed flop? Or hear him on turn??

Seems he has ak when 3 streets checked or Aj or something... Or you have a read on him and he's just drawing value from pocket type hands which when I was on 888 at 10nl and 20nl I did see a bit of. Passive players.

 

[Lexxx]

Nice topic you got here! I will take a better look tomorrow. Good morning and glglgl!!!

 

[Aces2w1n]

John with AJs we trying to get spr low so we shove turns n rivs??