John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Y
Yoshiaki
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Hi, i really need some help gathering information, im leaving ipoker because i want to play nl50 in a softer site( nl50 in ipoker has a small field and almost full of regs), and im between 888 poker and partypoker, any tips?
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rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
Ive recently cut back on calling OOP usually from the blinds with suited connectors and small pairs unless more than 1 caller or one of them is an aggressive player.
Today even managed to win a few buyins depsite a couple of coolers
Im still a curious fish at heart and not sure about the others but would be interested in spots where hands could be posted and what could be consider as ok to fold or give up.
I know some of you would say easy fold easy call etc but Id say this is my biggest weakness, probably need to work moer on HUD stats to get better reads
2 examples from below
Hand1 If raised on turn is this an ok fold. Im easily repping an ace so what can he rep??? Value A9, 99 lots or 7s, 67, 78, A7, Semi bluffs 8T, 68, flush draws
Hand2 Decided to call 3Bet as in position, OOP would probably fold. FLop cant fold to 1 bet when I hit 2nd pair. Turn even more equity so when they bet im thinking should i even have called the 3Bet lol. Bit late now
Is this easy call and give up if they shove river
Hand 3 massive fish, may have been tempted if I had As
Hand1
poker stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
SB: $11.69 (116.9 bb)
BB: $11.56 (115.6 bb)
UTG: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
MP: $11.30 (113 bb) 20/20 0% ag only 5 hands
Hero (CO): $28.07 (280.7 bb)
BTN: $21.84 (218.4 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with K
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.80, 3 folds, MP calls $0.50
Flop: ($1.75) 7
MP checks, Hero bets $1.11, MP calls $1.11
Turn: ($3.97) 7
MP checks, Hero bets $2
Hand 2
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
SB: $10.78 (107.8 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb) 17/17 67% agg 33.3 3Bet 6 hands
UTG: $3.05 (30.5 bb)
MP: $9.65 (96.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $12.49 (124.9 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with J
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.91, Hero calls $0.61
Flop: ($1.87) K
BB bets $1.19, Hero calls $1.19
Turn: ($4.25) 3
BB bets $2.72, Hero
Hand 3
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
SB: $11.34 (113.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $10 (100 bb)
UTG: $9.85 (98.5 bb)
MP: $10 (100 bb)
CO: $27.83 (278.3 bb)
BTN: $15.55 (155.5 bb) 60/18 Ag16% 51 hands
Preflop: Hero is BB with K
UTG calls $0.10, MP folds, CO raises to $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, SB folds, Hero raises to $1.15, UTG folds, CO calls $0.90, BTN calls $0.90
Flop: ($3.60) 4
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks
Turn: ($3.60) K
Hero bets $1.37, CO folds, BTN raises to $14.40 and is all-in Hero ??
or3o1990
Legend
Silver Level
I just call in the second hand and decide on the river what i'm doing. I probably fold to a 3rd bet unless we flush, make trips or two pair.
The last hand just fold. Could he be bluffing? Sure. However, with that price it is impossible to call profitably over a large sample. Just take a note on the guy and muck your hand.
The last hand just fold. Could he be bluffing? Sure. However, with that price it is impossible to call profitably over a large sample. Just take a note on the guy and muck your hand.
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
Rhom
hand 1 if I get raised here by an unknown who hasn't thus far been aggressive then we can fold. It depends on how big he goes but in general I'd want some other draw going for me as well before calling a raise here. I have a similar hand that or3o1990 and I discussed over skype last night. There was one other spot we wanted to post as well.
Hand 2 I'm calling we have a good draw to the nuts, he's already showing signs of being aggressive and could be double barreling his full range here.
Plus we want him to know that 3 betting us from the blinds is going to be tough and we will get sticky, lets say he has AK, which is a good part of his range and either flush draw comes in, its a really tough spot to call with TPTK if he checks and we shove the river.
Hand 3 as per or3o1990.
hand 1 if I get raised here by an unknown who hasn't thus far been aggressive then we can fold. It depends on how big he goes but in general I'd want some other draw going for me as well before calling a raise here. I have a similar hand that or3o1990 and I discussed over skype last night. There was one other spot we wanted to post as well.
Hand 2 I'm calling we have a good draw to the nuts, he's already showing signs of being aggressive and could be double barreling his full range here.
Plus we want him to know that 3 betting us from the blinds is going to be tough and we will get sticky, lets say he has AK, which is a good part of his range and either flush draw comes in, its a really tough spot to call with TPTK if he checks and we shove the river.
Hand 3 as per or3o1990.
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
SB: $10 (100 bb)
BB: $15.79 (157.9 bb)
MP1: $10.88 (108.8 bb)
Hero (MP2): $11.66 (116.6 bb)
MP3: $4.50 (45 bb) - VPIP: 59, PFR: 2, 3B: 6, AF: 3.1, Hands: 44 FISH
CO: $10.42 (104.2 bb)
BTN: $9.15 (91.5 bb) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 6, 3B: 5, AF: 0.7, Hands: 179 (subject 3bet% from the button is 23%)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q:spade: A:heart:
MP1 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, MP3 calls $0.30, CO folds, BTN raises to $1.35, 2 folds,
Ok the weaker player squeezes from the button which appears to be a regular overused play for him so we put in a slightly bigger than normal 4 bet for a little extra FE Hero raises to $3, MP3 calls $2.70, BTN calls $1.65
Opps the fish coming along is unexpected and he's pot committed.
Flop: ($9.15) 6:spade: 8:heart: 2:heart: (3 players)
Hero?
If we bet and fold out the button we just likely lose another another $1.50 to the fish so do we just check and see what happens here?
SB: $10 (100 bb)
BB: $15.79 (157.9 bb)
MP1: $10.88 (108.8 bb)
Hero (MP2): $11.66 (116.6 bb)
MP3: $4.50 (45 bb) - VPIP: 59, PFR: 2, 3B: 6, AF: 3.1, Hands: 44 FISH
CO: $10.42 (104.2 bb)
BTN: $9.15 (91.5 bb) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 6, 3B: 5, AF: 0.7, Hands: 179 (subject 3bet% from the button is 23%)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q:spade: A:heart:
MP1 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, MP3 calls $0.30, CO folds, BTN raises to $1.35, 2 folds,
Ok the weaker player squeezes from the button which appears to be a regular overused play for him so we put in a slightly bigger than normal 4 bet for a little extra FE Hero raises to $3, MP3 calls $2.70, BTN calls $1.65
Opps the fish coming along is unexpected and he's pot committed.
Flop: ($9.15) 6:spade: 8:heart: 2:heart: (3 players)
Hero?
If we bet and fold out the button we just likely lose another another $1.50 to the fish so do we just check and see what happens here?
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
FOLDING TPTK with AK
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
SB: $11.95 (119.5 bb)
BB: $8.28 (82.8 bb) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.9, Hands: 47 (weak passive)
UTG+2: $10.14 (101.4 bb)
Hero (MP1): $12.79 (127.9 bb)
MP2: $10.39 (103.9 bb)
MP3: $10 (100 bb)
CO: $9.25 (92.5 bb) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 476
BTN: $10 (100 bb)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K:diamond: A:club:
UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, CO calls $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.95) 5:diamond: K:heart: Q:diamond: (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.45, CO folds, BB calls $0.45
Turn: ($1.85) 8:heart: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.32, BB raises to $2.64, Hero calls $1.32
River: ($7.13) 3:spade: (2 players)
BB bets $3.40, Hero folds
I actually think as the villian is so weak and aggressive that we can actually just fold to the min check raise here. This is always a very strong hand from a player like this.
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
SB: $11.95 (119.5 bb)
BB: $8.28 (82.8 bb) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.9, Hands: 47 (weak passive)
UTG+2: $10.14 (101.4 bb)
Hero (MP1): $12.79 (127.9 bb)
MP2: $10.39 (103.9 bb)
MP3: $10 (100 bb)
CO: $9.25 (92.5 bb) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 476
BTN: $10 (100 bb)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K:diamond: A:club:
UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, CO calls $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.95) 5:diamond: K:heart: Q:diamond: (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.45, CO folds, BB calls $0.45
Turn: ($1.85) 8:heart: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.32, BB raises to $2.64, Hero calls $1.32
River: ($7.13) 3:spade: (2 players)
BB bets $3.40, Hero folds
I actually think as the villian is so weak and aggressive that we can actually just fold to the min check raise here. This is always a very strong hand from a player like this.
R
rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
3 hands I posted earlier
Hand1 didnt have to worry about the rerasi as they just folded
Hand2 would never have guessed his hand being a 17/17 player although he was 67%Ag and 33%3Bet albeit 6 hands. He was messign with 78 off
Hand 3 I just folded to his shove. Probably good has he turned out to be a Massive FISH calling everything with hardly anything
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
[MP: $11.30 (113 bb)
Hero (CO): $28.07 (280.7 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with K
A
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.80, 3 folds, MP calls $0.50
Flop: ($1.75) 7
A
9
(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1.11, MP calls $1.11
Turn: ($3.97) 7
(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $2, MP folds
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
BB: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (CO): $12.49 (124.9 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with J
A
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.91, Hero calls $0.61
Flop: ($1.87) K
J
4
(2 players)
BB bets $1.19, Hero calls $1.19
Turn: ($4.25) 3
(2 players)
BB bets $2.72, Hero calls $2.72
River: ($9.69) 6
(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks
Results: $9.69 pot ($0.44 rake)
Final Board: K
J
4
3
6
BB showed 7
8
and lost (-$4.82 net)
Hero showed J
A
and won $9.25 ($4.43 net)
Hand1 didnt have to worry about the rerasi as they just folded
Hand2 would never have guessed his hand being a 17/17 player although he was 67%Ag and 33%3Bet albeit 6 hands. He was messign with 78 off
Hand 3 I just folded to his shove. Probably good has he turned out to be a Massive FISH calling everything with hardly anything
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
[MP: $11.30 (113 bb)
Hero (CO): $28.07 (280.7 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with K
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.80, 3 folds, MP calls $0.50
Flop: ($1.75) 7
MP checks, Hero bets $1.11, MP calls $1.11
Turn: ($3.97) 7
MP checks, Hero bets $2, MP folds
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
BB: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (CO): $12.49 (124.9 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with J
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.91, Hero calls $0.61
Flop: ($1.87) K
BB bets $1.19, Hero calls $1.19
Turn: ($4.25) 3
BB bets $2.72, Hero calls $2.72
River: ($9.69) 6
BB checks, Hero checks
Results: $9.69 pot ($0.44 rake)
Final Board: K
BB showed 7
Hero showed J
R
rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
still dont have webcam or mic. although could watch lol
I did download skype the other day as it was part of Microsoft update or are you guys using the hangout App
R
rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
not necessarily the fish could have anything especially lots of flush draws and overs.
Dont see it as losing another 1.50 to the fish if you fold out the button as even if you are beat you are getting 7/1 and you have nearly 30% equity with 2 overs and bd flush
or3o1990
Legend
Silver Level
still dont have webcam or mic. although could watch lol
headphones with a microphone will work. but you should just come and hang out if you have time.
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Ive recently cut back on calling OOP usually from the blinds with suited connectors and small pairs unless more than 1 caller or one of them is an aggressive player.
Today even managed to win a few buyins depsite a couple of coolers
Im still a curious fish at heart and not sure about the others but would be interested in spots where hands could be posted and what could be consider as ok to fold or give up.
I know some of you would say easy fold easy call etc but Id say this is my biggest weakness, probably need to work moer on HUD stats to get better reads
Yes... cut down A LOT on all of this cold calling. It's one of the primary things that's bleeding your roll for you. It's pretty obvious when you look at your stats because everything else is looking pretty solid.
2 examples from below
Hand1 If raised on turn is this an ok fold. Im easily repping an ace so what can he rep??? Value A9, 99 lots or 7s, 67, 78, A7, Semi bluffs 8T, 68, flush draws
Hand2 Decided to call 3Bet as in position, OOP would probably fold. FLop cant fold to 1 bet when I hit 2nd pair. Turn even more equity so when they bet im thinking should i even have called the 3Bet lol. Bit late now
Is this easy call and give up if they shove river
Hand 3 massive fish, may have been tempted if I had As
Hand1
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
SB: $11.69 (116.9 bb)
BB: $11.56 (115.6 bb)
UTG: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
MP: $11.30 (113 bb) 20/20 0% ag only 5 hands
Hero (CO): $28.07 (280.7 bb)
BTN: $21.84 (218.4 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with KA
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.80, 3 folds, MP calls $0.50
Flop: ($1.75) 7A9(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1.11, MP calls $1.11
Turn: ($3.97) 7(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $2
No, if you're raised here I'm stacking off for that stack size.
Hand 2
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
SB: $10.78 (107.8 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb) 17/17 67% agg 33.3 3Bet 6 hands
UTG: $3.05 (30.5 bb)
MP: $9.65 (96.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $12.49 (124.9 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with JA
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.91, Hero calls $0.61
Flop: ($1.87) KJ4(2 players)
BB bets $1.19, Hero calls $1.19
Turn: ($4.25) 3(2 players)
BB bets $2.72, Hero
Small sample, but sometimes I even small value 4-bet if I think someone is 3-betting too much in these spots. But yes, call the turn, and possibly call river depending on sizing. Call / fold will be close if you don't improve, so it's really not a big decision.
Hand 3
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
SB: $11.34 (113.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $10 (100 bb)
UTG: $9.85 (98.5 bb)
MP: $10 (100 bb)
CO: $27.83 (278.3 bb)
BTN: $15.55 (155.5 bb) 60/18 Ag16% 51 hands
Preflop: Hero is BB with KA
UTG calls $0.10, MP folds, CO raises to $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, SB folds, Hero raises to $1.15, UTG folds, CO calls $0.90, BTN calls $0.90
Flop: ($3.60) 4T3(3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks
Turn: ($3.60) K(3 players)
Hero bets $1.37, CO folds, BTN raises to $14.40 and is all-in Hero ??
Bet more on the turn. When you bet so small you're inviting opponents to open up their bluff and semi-bluff range. I mean it makes no sense for him to check a flush draw, and then jam it to a weak beat on the turn. He's a passive gish most likely, and that's the only reason I'd consider folding. If he was even a little more aggressive, I think you're going to see a lot of AsXx here or combo hands like As3x, etc..
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
That's fine, but why are you calling the turn then? What would you expect to catch on the river that you're calling and feeling good about if you're planning to fold to 1/2 pot on a blank river?
R
rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
just headphones but no mic.
Finally got back into positive figures for the year at regular 6 Max 10nl aka non zoom after being nearly $65 down
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rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
Thanks definitley helps the paranoia and sanity
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rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
I thought ipoker used to be really soft as it has alot of sportsbook sites attached to it but I havent played there for over 6months and never reached the heady heights of 50nl only managed to get to 25nl.Hi, i really need some help gathering information, im leaving ipoker because i want to play nl50 in a softer site( nl50 in ipoker has a small field and almost full of regs), and im between 888 poker and partypoker, any tips?
Ive heard 888 can be pretty soft and now Party has made it more difficult for regs by disabling HUDS and trying to eliminate the table stalkers lol it should be ok
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
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John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Thanks definitley helps the paranoia and sanity
That's a lot better. Aggression is better, and if you just close that VPIP/PFR gap a little more, you'll be well on your way. Nice job!
R
rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
Thanks
Went back to 2nl earlier not cos im skint lol but I always had the intention to get to 50K hands at each level. up to 44K and crushing @ 0.57bb/100
2 hands unsure about
Hand 1 am I best to try and realise equity by just calling the turn bet and either bluffing River if they check or obviously betting or raising the river if I hit. Or just raise the Turn Bet
Hand 2 - got really confused when they donked the turn, seemed like a weak stab or trying to get to showdown with maybe a ten or a flush draw
Hand1
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
SB: $6.73 (336.5 bb) 60/40 50% ag only 5 hands
BB: $3.62 (181 bb)
UTG: $2 (100 bb)
Hero (MP): $2.73 (136.5 bb)
CO: $2 (100 bb)
BTN: $2.66 (133 bb)
Preflop: Hero is MP with A
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.06, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.18, BB folds, Hero calls $0.12
Flop: ($0.38) A
SB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20
Turn: ($0.78) 7
SB bets $0.52, Hero ??,
Hand2
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
SB: $3.34 (167 bb)
BB: $2.12 (106 bb)
UTG: $9.35 (467.5 bb)23/18 32%AG 65 hands
MP: $2 (100 bb)
Hero (CO): $3.87 (193.5 bb)
BTN: $5.62 (281 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Q
UTG raises to $0.05, MP folds, Hero raises to $0.16, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.11
Flop: ($0.35) 2
UTG bets $0.26, Hero raises to $0.66, UTG calls $0.40
Turn: ($1.67) 6
UTG bets $0.90
Hero ???????
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
How did the remainder of the session go? Post some of those hands you weren't sure about from the session Fig. I think it's good if you get clear on those spots because you second guess what we're doing a lot when the result isn't always what we ideally want. Those are good learning opportunities you want to be clear on.
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Thanks
Went back to 2nl earlier not cos im skint lol but I always had the intention to get to 50K hands at each level. up to 44K and crushing @ 0.57bb/100
2 hands unsure about
Hand 1 am I best to try and realise equity by just calling the turn bet and either bluffing River if they check or obviously betting or raising the river if I hit. Or just raise the Turn Bet
Hand 2 - got really confused when they donked the turn, seemed like a weak stab or trying to get to showdown with maybe a ten or a flush draw
Hand1
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
SB: $6.73 (336.5 bb) 60/40 50% ag only 5 hands
BB: $3.62 (181 bb)
UTG: $2 (100 bb)
Hero (MP): $2.73 (136.5 bb)
CO: $2 (100 bb)
BTN: $2.66 (133 bb)
Preflop: Hero is MP with A9
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.06, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.18, BB folds, Hero calls $0.12
Flop: ($0.38) AT8(2 players)
SB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20
Turn: ($0.78) 7(2 players)
SB bets $0.52, Hero ??,
To your question, just call. I mean you can't push him off a better hand. There are only draw combos that you'd be ahead of if you raised. To put it blunty, there's no value in raising. You have a good hand that is likely ahead of his range, but not strong enough to raise, and doesn't make sense to turn into a bluff.
Hand2
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
SB: $3.34 (167 bb)
BB: $2.12 (106 bb)
UTG: $9.35 (467.5 bb)23/18 32%AG 65 hands
MP: $2 (100 bb)
Hero (CO): $3.87 (193.5 bb)
BTN: $5.62 (281 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with QQ
UTG raises to $0.05, MP folds, Hero raises to $0.16, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.11
Flop: ($0.35) 2T3(2 players)
UTG bets $0.26, Hero raises to $0.66, UTG calls $0.40
Turn: ($1.67) 6(2 players)
UTG bets $0.90
Hero ???????
With agg that low I'm more inclined to raise here for value again and also just to take control of the hand. They'll likely check the river and not lead again if you're raised twice, and if they do lead you can probably fold safely. If he 3-bets the flop, you fold. You're deep enough that his range is still going to be too wide, and there's plenty of value to be had, but you don't want to stack off.
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
Sweat session
Although we lost a little overall I'm very happy with the stats on the 6max 25nl tables. We folded to a lot of three bets but they were all to guys with value only 3bet stats.
Personally I think the JJ hand was a fold, I know the guy was a fish but from his flop donk lead out, our raise and his shove, it looked obvious to me he had a queen and that he was value shoving, we called off too much there with 2nd pair and it was our biggest mistake of the session. If he had just shoved on the flop than maybe a call but not after we raise his donk and then he shoves.
The second mistake was calling the min raise on the river in this hand but considering the board and he could have a strong 2 pair we thought we had to.
Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash,
Hero MP $28.93 (115.7 bb)
CO: $18.70 (74.8 bb) BIG STINKING TUNA FISH
Preflop: Hero is MP with 7
7
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, 3 folds
Flop: ($1.85) 7
J
A
(2 players)
Hero bets $1, CO calls $1
Turn: ($3.85) 4
(2 players)
Hero bets $3, CO calls $3
River: ($9.85) 9
(2 players)
Hero bets $5, CO raises to $10, Hero calls $5
Results: $29.85 pot ($1.34 rake)
Final Board: 7
J
A
4
9
Hero mucked 7
7
and lost (-$14.75 net)
CO showed 8
4
and won $28.51 ($13.76 net)
Although we lost a little overall I'm very happy with the stats on the 6max 25nl tables. We folded to a lot of three bets but they were all to guys with value only 3bet stats.
Personally I think the JJ hand was a fold, I know the guy was a fish but from his flop donk lead out, our raise and his shove, it looked obvious to me he had a queen and that he was value shoving, we called off too much there with 2nd pair and it was our biggest mistake of the session. If he had just shoved on the flop than maybe a call but not after we raise his donk and then he shoves.
The second mistake was calling the min raise on the river in this hand but considering the board and he could have a strong 2 pair we thought we had to.
Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash,
Hero MP $28.93 (115.7 bb)
CO: $18.70 (74.8 bb) BIG STINKING TUNA FISH
Preflop: Hero is MP with 7
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, 3 folds
Flop: ($1.85) 7
Hero bets $1, CO calls $1
Turn: ($3.85) 4
Hero bets $3, CO calls $3
River: ($9.85) 9
Hero bets $5, CO raises to $10, Hero calls $5
Results: $29.85 pot ($1.34 rake)
Final Board: 7
Hero mucked 7
CO showed 8
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John A
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Although we lost a little overall I'm very happy with the stats on the 6max 25nl tables. We folded to a lot of three bets but they were all to guys with value only 3bet stats.
Personally I think the JJ hand was a fold, I know the guy was a fish but from his flop donk lead out, our raise and his shove, it looked obvious to me he had a queen and that he was value shoving, we called off too much there with 2nd pair and it was our biggest mistake of the session. If he had just shoved on the flop than maybe a call but not after we raise his donk and then he shoves.
The second mistake was calling the min raise on the river in this hand but considering the board and he could have a strong 2 pair we thought we had to.
Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash,
Hero MP $28.93 (115.7 bb)
CO: $18.70 (74.8 bb) BIG STINKING TUNA FISH
Preflop: Hero is MP with 77
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, 3 folds
Flop: ($1.85) 7JA(2 players)
Hero bets $1, CO calls $1
Turn: ($3.85) 4(2 players)
Hero bets $3, CO calls $3
River: ($9.85) 9(2 players)
Hero bets $5, CO raises to $10, Hero calls $5
Results: $29.85 pot ($1.34 rake)
Final Board: 7JA49
Hero mucked 77and lost (-$14.75 net)
CO showed 84and won $28.51 ($13.76 net)
I didn't see the 77 hand so can't really comment. I think the call is ok though from the HH.
But the JJ hand wasn't a mistake. Why don't you post it so we can discuss it. I think it's indicative of a lot of other hands I've heard you second guess the decisions about when the results aren't what we want. We don't want to get results oriented correct? Post it up. I can see it in your results screenshot there. Remember, on the flop I said we're raising, and not folding to a shove. I'm not sure if you heard this or what because I was surprised than when he shoved you said you wanted to fold. He was a short stacked fish.