How to win at online poker

[ChuckTs]

OK this thread is officially 10X funnier than any other thread on the internet including that bubblegum-stuck-in-the-ass-hair story (see jokes of the day thread)
wtg guys!! lmao

 

[ChuckTs]

This is because REAL Football requires a higher level of testosterone than can normally be found in the average European, male. That's OK though, you guys are better at other less masculine things. Like art and wine tasting and..... ah....COOKING! Yeah, you guys can cook better than us! Unless it involves fire.

lmao

 

[onebigblue]

i dont think is that fixed but i wouldnt put alot of money online any way i like to see the faces of who im playing online u cant read tell or sense a players tension. just stick 2 the free rolls then[they r a long shot anyway]and try 4 a seat at a real live tourney

 

[I Need Money]

hey this guy isn't lying.

Hand #11893075-31 at Mon615pmTEC-202 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 13/Feb/06 18:50:53

THElasagnaKID is at seat 0 with 2945.
Oat-meal is at seat 1 with 3045.
Alaskan Jonny is at seat 2 with 1200.
RVK41 is at seat 3 with 950.
PlayTek is at seat 4 with 5140.
slipping halo is at seat 5 with 1610.
Tripsoverpair is at seat 8 with 1525.
mjp3 is at seat 9 with 1320.
The button is at seat 3.

PlayTek posts the small blind of 15.
slipping halo posts the big blind of 30.

THElasagnaKID: -- --
Oat-meal: -- --
Alaskan Jonny: -- --
RVK41: As Ah
PlayTek: -- --
slipping halo: -- --
Tripsoverpair: -- --
mjp3: -- --

Pre-flop:

Tripsoverpair folds. mjp3 folds. THElasagnaKID
raises to 95. Oat-meal calls. Alaskan Jonny calls.
RVK41 goes all-in for 950. PlayTek folds. slipping
halo folds. THElasagnaKID calls. Oat-meal folds.
Alaskan Jonny folds.

Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

THElasagnaKID shows 6d 4d.
RVK41 shows As Ah.


Flop (board: 8s 2s 7h):

(no action in this round)


Turn (board: 8s 2s 7h 5h):

(no action in this round)


River (board: 8s 2s 7h 5h Ks):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

THElasagnaKID has 6d 4d 8s 7h 5h: straight, eight high.
RVK41 has As Ah 8s 7h Ks: a pair of aces.


Hand #11893075-31 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
THElasagnaKID wins 2135 with straight, eight high.
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Hand #11893075-30 at Mon615pmTEC-202 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 13/Feb/06 18:50:15

THElasagnaKID is at seat 0 with 2975.
Oat-meal is at seat 1 with 3045.
Alaskan Jonny is at seat 2 with 1200.
RVK41 is at seat 3 with 965.
PlayTek is at seat 4 with 5035.
slipping halo is at seat 5 with 1640.
Tripsoverpair is at seat 8 with 1555.
mjp3 is at seat 9 with 1320.
The button is at seat 2.

RVK41 posts the small blind of 15.
PlayTek posts the big blind of 30.

THElasagnaKID: -- --
Oat-meal: -- --
Alaskan Jonny: -- --
RVK41: 4h 8h
PlayTek: -- --
slipping halo: -- --
Tripsoverpair: -- --
mjp3: -- --

Pre-flop:

slipping halo calls. Tripsoverpair calls. mjp3
folds. THElasagnaKID calls. Oat-meal folds.
Alaskan Jonny folds. RVK41 folds. PlayTek checks.


Flop (board: 4s 7d 7c):

PlayTek checks. slipping halo checks. Tripsoverpair
checks. THElasagnaKID checks.

Turn (board: 4s 7d 7c As):

PlayTek bets 30. slipping halo folds. Tripsoverpair
folds. THElasagnaKID folds. PlayTek is returned 30
(uncalled).



Hand #11893075-30 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
PlayTek wins 135.
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Hand #11893075-31 at Mon615pmTEC-202 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 13/Feb/06 18:50:53

THElasagnaKID is at seat 0 with 2945.
Oat-meal is at seat 1 with 3045.
Alaskan Jonny is at seat 2 with 1200.
RVK41 is at seat 3 with 950.
PlayTek is at seat 4 with 5140.
slipping halo is at seat 5 with 1610.
Tripsoverpair is at seat 8 with 1525.
mjp3 is at seat 9 with 1320.
The button is at seat 3.

PlayTek posts the small blind of 15.
slipping halo posts the big blind of 30.

THElasagnaKID: -- --
Oat-meal: -- --
Alaskan Jonny: -- --
RVK41: As Ah
PlayTek: -- --
slipping halo: -- --
Tripsoverpair: -- --
mjp3: -- --

Pre-flop:

Tripsoverpair folds. mjp3 folds. THElasagnaKID
raises to 95. Oat-meal calls. Alaskan Jonny calls.
RVK41 goes all-in for 950. PlayTek folds. slipping
halo folds. THElasagnaKID calls. Oat-meal folds.
Alaskan Jonny folds.

Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

THElasagnaKID shows 6d 4d.
RVK41 shows As Ah.


Flop (board: 8s 2s 7h):

(no action in this round)


Turn (board: 8s 2s 7h 5h):

(no action in this round)


River (board: 8s 2s 7h 5h Ks):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

THElasagnaKID has 6d 4d 8s 7h 5h: straight, eight high.
RVK41 has As Ah 8s 7h Ks: a pair of aces.


Hand #11893075-31 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
THElasagnaKID wins 2135 with straight, eight high.
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[Styrofoam]

This is a bit far fetched. I mean, just last friday I was at a live game adn saw a woman flop quad 7s, then when i sat down at my game, an old man flopped quad queens.

The thing about online poker is they are literally running thousands if not 10s of thousands of hands in a minute all over hte site at each of the limits... is it that hard to believe that with that many hands being dealt every minute that the rarer hands come up a bit more often than "usual"?

 

[shwingzilla]

Well the debate will always rage on as to whether online poker is really rigged.

I'll say the following:
I have had 3 Royal Flushes online in about 2+ years of play. The rough odds of a royal flush are 650K to 1. The odds of hitting the Pennsylvania Lottery's Cash 5 of 39 game is 575K to 1. I've been playing that game for over 10 years. I have no jackpot hits.

One of my Royal Flushes came when I was all in preflop with AsKs vs. QQ. My opponent flopped Quad Q's, I hit the Royal on the Turn.

I have never had a royal flush live. In fact, I've only ever even SEEN one live ONCE. I have seen 2 other royal flushes online (outside of the 3 I've gotten).

I've been at online sit n go's where you'll see Quads two times in the same game. I played for 8 hours in AC a few months back and saw Quads once during those 8 hours.

There are too many statistical anomalies online for it to be part of standard deviation. But the truth behind the online RNGs will never be revealed and there will always be a fresh crop of players waiting to play.

The whole Royal Flush conspiracy strikes me as odd, since a lot of online casinos have a bad beat jackpot. Why would you purposely orchestrate events so you have to pay off the bad beat? Obviously this does not apply to all.

As for only seeing a Royal FLush live once, consider how easy and fast it is to play online poker, and that you've probably played more hands online.

As for lotto, remember you don't play NEARLY as many lottery tickets as you have seen hands of poker (at least I hope you don't).

If this was supposed to be a joke I apologise for being stupid.

 

[ChuckTs]

The thing about Online poker is they are literally running thousands if not 10s of thousands of hands in a minute all over hte site at each of the limits... is it that hard to believe that with that many hands being dealt every minute that the rarer hands come up a bit more often than "usual"?

the fact that every royal flush i've heard about is against quads or another monster is eveidence to me that they have something tweaked for rake reasons
i personally have seen quads at the same table mutliple times in one session at noble...
obviously the more hands played, the more rare hands will come up overall
but i personally think they tweak something in the odds that makes it more probable that one person will have a strong hand when another player also has a strong hand
it seems like online whenever someones got aces, another guy's got another pp and another guy has another big hand, so as to guarantee action
if you've ever played live poker you know that hands like that don't pop up nearly as often as they do online

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

it seems like online whenever someones got aces, another guy's got another pp and another guy has another big hand, so as to guarantee action

Why do you continue to play online then if you think it's rigged?

Fact is, people are using programs like PT, and have databases of hundreds of thousands of hands - added together means you have a huge database of millions of hands. If something was suspect and beyond the realms of reasonable probability in the long run, you think people wouldn't have picked up on this with stats to prove it?

Finally, just because I can...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP (t8425)
CO (t3765)
Button (t4325)
Hero (t5859)
BB (t10460)
UTG (t4830)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ac, Ah.
3 folds, Button calls t200, Hero raises to t825, 1 fold, Button folds.

Final Pot: t1150

Results below:
No showdown. Hero wins t1150.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero (t1945)
SB (t1315)
BB (t3010)
UTG (t6390)
MP (t3340)
CO (t4745)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Ad, As.
1 fold, MP calls t100, 1 fold, Hero raises to t300, 2 folds, MP folds.

Final Pot: t550

Results below:
No showdown. Hero wins t550.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with As, Ac.
Hero raises to t80, 8 folds.

Final Pot: t110

Results below:
No showdown. Hero wins t110.

I could post a couple of dozen more if you like, but they're pretty dull.

 

[F Paulsson]

omg SLOWPLAY!

 

[Alon Ipser]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP (t8425)
CO (t3765)
Button (t4325)
Hero (t5859)
BB (t10460)
UTG (t4830)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ac, Ah.
3 folds, Button calls t200, Hero raises to t825, 1 fold, Button folds.

Final Pot: t1150

Results below:
No showdown. Hero wins t1150.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero (t1945)
SB (t1315)
BB (t3010)
UTG (t6390)
MP (t3340)
CO (t4745)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Ad, As.
1 fold, MP calls t100, 1 fold, Hero raises to t300, 2 folds, MP folds.

Final Pot: t550

Results below:
No showdown. Hero wins t550.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with As, Ac.
Hero raises to t80, 8 folds.

Final Pot: t110

Results below:
No showdown. Hero wins t110.

I could post a couple of dozen more if you like, but they're pretty dull.

You were lucky not to run into anybody playing by my rules because if you had you probably would have lost every one of these hands on the river to straights or junker 2 pairs.

 

[Alon Ipser]

LMAO

PokerStars Game #4037944840: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/02/20 - 12:26:49 (ET)
Table 'Gersuind' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Alon Ipser ($8.20 in chips)
Seat 2: Ivan Govnov ($23.55 in chips)
Seat 4: BigDennys ($20.30 in chips)
Seat 5: GOLD HAND1 ($11.35 in chips)
Seat 6: gabbahh ($20 in chips)
Seat 8: crump66 ($31.60 in chips)
Seat 9: badboii ($2.55 in chips)
badboii: posts small blind $0.10
Alon Ipser: posts big blind $0.25
gabbahh: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Alon Ipser [Ah Ac]
Ivan Govnov: folds
BigDennys: folds
GOLD HAND1: folds
gabbahh: raises $0.50 to $0.75
crump66: folds
badboii: raises $1.80 to $2.55 and is all-in
Alon Ipser: folds
gabbahh: calls $1.80
*** FLOP *** [Td 4c 6s]
*** TURN *** [Td 4c 6s] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [Td 4c 6s 3s] [4h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
badboii: shows [2h 5s] (a straight, Deuce to Six)
gabbahh: mucks hand
badboii collected $5.10 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.35 | Rake $0.25
Board [Td 4c 6s 3s 4h]
Seat 1: Alon Ipser (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Ivan Govnov folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: BigDennys folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: GOLD HAND1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: gabbahh mucked [Qh Kh]
Seat 8: crump66 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: badboii (small blind) showed [2h 5s] and won ($5.10) with a straight, Deuce to Six

Disclaimer: The story you have just read is untrue. The names haven't been changed in case you want to add them to you buddy list.

 

[Springfield_Poker]

I wonder about the people who are so quick to dismiss topics on here. It really isn't that far fetched to believe that these poker sites might be pulling little tricks in order to make more money. And the argument that there is more money to made to run honest games is a crock of shit. These sites have no regulation. What will happen to have these sites if it is found out they are pulling little tricks likes these? Nothing. People will leave, but then these same people will just start up another site.

I am not saying they are cheating or doing anything dishonest, but it's not out of the question that these sites could be performing dishonest tasks.

If you aren't willing to acknowledge the possibility no matter how improbable than you are either a conspirator, a fool, or something worse.

 

[FlowerofLife]

LMAO

Let's not forget about baseball where spitting and scratching your balls are the main attraction of the game!

 

[F Paulsson]

I wonder about the people who are so quick to dismiss topics on here. It really isn't that far fetched to believe that these poker sites might be pulling little tricks in order to make more money. And the argument that there is more money to made to run honest games is a crock of shit. These sites have no regulation. What will happen to have these sites if it is found out they are pulling little tricks likes these? Nothing. People will leave, but then these same people will just start up another site.

Do you see a lot of successful new sites pop up lately? And since we're chiefly talking about ways to up the rake a little bit on some hands, do you realize that at the medium and higher stakes games, the rake virtually always gets maxed out even in small pots, so the incentive to pull stuff like that is out the window completely anyway. I can't remember the last time I had any kind of hand against any other kind of hand and didn't pay the maximum $3. I get away with smaller rakes when it's a blind steal situation or the turn and/or river gets checked through heads-up, but otherwise it's $3. They don't need to deal me quads vs. straight flush to make an extra buck out of me.

Dismissing even the possibility is perhaps overly naïve, but given

a) how many more interesting issues there are to discuss and
b) that these threads virtually never bring anything new to the table

... yes, we're pretty fast to dismiss them. It's not that it couldn't happen, it's that these posts never bring out any kind of evidence at all. No, anecdotal evidence doesn't cut it.

 

[shinedown.45]

Do you see a lot of successful new sites pop up lately? And since we're chiefly talking about ways to up the rake a little bit on some hands, do you realize that at the medium and higher stakes games, the rake virtually always gets maxed out even in small pots, so the incentive to pull stuff like that is out the window completely anyway. I can't remember the last time I had any kind of hand against any other kind of hand and didn't pay the maximum $3. I get away with smaller rakes when it's a blind steal situation or the turn and/or river gets checked through heads-up, but otherwise it's $3. They don't need to deal me quads vs. straight flush to make an extra buck out of me.

Dismissing even the possibility is perhaps overly naïve, but given

a) how many more interesting issues there are to discuss and
b) that these threads virtually never bring anything new to the table

... yes, we're pretty fast to dismiss them. It's not that it couldn't happen, it's that these posts never bring out any kind of evidence at all. No, anecdotal evidence doesn't cut it.

I agree with this^^^^

 

[FullHouseAceHigh]

i hope everyone will take OP's suggestions with a grain of salt. while the things said are indeed true most of the times, i do not believe that OP's suggestion's will be particulary helpful in actually winning at online poker. many factors goes into these sort of things. first of, where u play it THE big one. if u play at UB, u will certainly get f**ked on the river. but if u play at bodog and chase a str8 or flush, DON'T, because u most likely won't get it. second, freeroll vs real money. certainly, people will chase the str8 or flush on a freeroll a lot more often that on a real money game. if u chase on a really money game, ur a bad poker player IMO. of course there are exceptions ( ie. if ur chip leader at the table and u can afford to lose some of ur chips). with freerolls it's important not to slow play. so, if u flop a str8 go all in. because if u slow play, u will most likely lose. and of course, lets not forget, this is game of luck. there is no magic formula. so gl and remember to have fun.

 

[Irexes]

Was the fact that this thread is nearly a year old a factor in its resurrection?

If the sites were rigged then it would easy to prove given the statistical nature of the claims.

To back up FPs comments about selective memory.

I survived an all-in early in a tourney a couple of days ago with A5 v AJ after a flop of A5J. The turn and river were KK so we split the pot. Yay went I. I went on and made the final table and didn't give the runner runner much more of a thought.

The next day I bust 17th and on the bubble with AJ v A4 when he hits a 4 and then in the next tourney near the money lose with AA v TT when winning would have put me in realy good shape.

I spent a couple of minutes cursing my poor luck about the two beats but I am very conscious of the "good" beats I get and that it all works out. I've taken a long while to get to the point where I feel I understand the real meaning of the "long run". It means I can lose a $1000 playing my "A" game within my bankroll and it means I can get lucky and win $5000 playing like a fool. Mainly though it means if I want to be profitable in my long term poker career the only way to do so is to play good solid poker and let the odds and beats take care of themselves.

If you think its rigged, get pokertracker, record 10,000 or 20,0000 hands or more, learn about statistical analysis and you should be able to prove it's rigged even with such a small sample.

 

[bubbasbestbabe]

Pah, rugby= real mans sport, and no body armour required. And as for a tought sport ???

hurling HURLING [hurling] outdoor ball and stick game similar to field hockey . The national pastime of Ireland,


Figures the Irish would have a sport named for a by product of the other thing they are famous for!

 

[blankoblanco]

Good post, Irexes.

I don't have Pokertracker, so I don't know exactly what its capabilities are, but is there a way to see how often you're actually winning hands once you get all-in with comparison to the expectation--basically measuring bad beats? I know that you can see how often you get dealt certain hands and how often/much you win with them, but I've never seen anyone provide statistics from Pokertracker that would support the idea that online poker is as fair as live poker. If this can be done, it might be a good way to allay the "poker is rigged" crowd.

 

[ChuckTs]

It has been done, combu. Several times I think. People are just ignorant

Don't have a link, but I'm sure if you google it you could find one.

 

[Sammyv1]

It has been done, combu. Several times I think. People are just ignorant

Don't have a link, but I'm sure if you google it you could find one.

Someone did it on here, but it was such a long time ago. I'm not sure who it was, but it was back when Grum was a moderator. It might of been XDman, RammerJammer, Fourdogs or Twizzy. It was a great read.

 

[Barnabous]

2 / 7 unsuited

I am starting to think there is some rigging in the dealing.

I get 2 and 7 unsuited at least 20% of the hands dealt to me. I do win from time to time with it.. usually when I go all-in UTG. But I rarely catch anything more than a pair or dueces.

I would have to say this is my favorite hand.. just due to how often it gets dealt to me. Wish that the &*%$ computer would be kind and at leas t send me a Q 7 once and awhile... then at least I would have a shot.

 

[edge-t]

My god.. it's one year old?

 

[tonymaclennan]

3) Always chase flushes and straights. you will be suprised how many you will hit on the river.

I'm finding everybody is getting flushes - with the same suit on 4/5 community cards! And straights do usually come - I am finding this SOOOO much more with Pacific Poker!

4) If you flop a straight or a flush, fold immediatly. If you flop a straight someone will get a flush and if you flop a flush someone will get a fullhouse.

Happened to me multiple times yesterday - actually wait.. a multiple of multiple times



However, is there actually any evidence towards rigging? Or is it merely a conspiracy theory?

 

[Wolfpack43ACC]

The odds for a live poker game cannot be compared to that of an online game IMO. In live the deck is shuffled... what is coming out is already pre determined without even having to see it. In online play every card that isn't dealt is alive with that random "number generator" or whatever it is. I don't really know if online poker is rigged or not, but if it is kudos to the guy who created the system to fool us all.