Should Slow Rolls Be Penalized?

[najisami]

It's kind of disappointing to see that SO MANY CC members don't know what a slowroll is. I'm saying "so many" because most of the guys who have posted here already fall into the category. They are simply confusing it with slow acting or using most or all the allowed time. Both could be very annoying and slowrolling is even against poker etiquette but there's no penalty for the "offenders", players just have to put up with it. And as said above, in online play, sometimes some technical issues could give a wrong idea about what an opponent is doing.

 

[thiagotup197]

you don’t see much slowness live because you have to face that person and the rest of the table, no one cares online, you do it live and you’ll be called by everyone, all you do is show what a really bad sport player is and put it a target in itself

 

[abgvedr]

Everyone is given the same time and everyone has the right to use this time at their own discretion. Why invent something new?

Well waiting extra time when you have the nuts, giving ur opponent thoughts that hes not drawing dead, Well its rude, its like wtf u doing this for.

 

[spectralwave]

Sometimes, the slowroll can be a harmless attitude, especially when it is carried out among friends, as was the case with Thiago Decano and Fernando Grow, PokerStars ambassadors Fintan Hand and Jaime Staples, among others. However, in this hand played at the 2015 Irish Poker Open, the slowroll was extremely bad taste. The hand happened between German Andreas Gann and Irish Donnacha O'Dea, a highly respected veteran player in the country and eighth on Ireland's most awarded list, with more than $ 1.3 million in prizes. After Donnacha's raise with A6, Andreas just called with KQ of diamonds and hit the nuts on the A86 flop, with all of diamonds.



The Irishman put Andreas all in and from there started a pitiful theater. The German spent more than a minute thinking, even with the best possible hand, and appearing to have a real decision in his hands. When he finally announced the call, no one at the table seemed to believe the German's attitude. Several table players scolded Andreas for his attitude, as well as the crowd. However, the hand was not yet finished, as Donnacha could make a full house if an A or a 6 appeared. The turn was safe for the German, but on the river the expected 6 came, to the explosion of the players, the fans and even the commentators.

 

[abgvedr]

Yeah i remember this one it was great
I think this is the best 'penalty' the slowroll can get, from a card deck

Sometimes, the slowroll can be a harmless attitude, especially when it is carried out among friends, as was the case with Thiago Decano and Fernando Grow, PokerStars ambassadors Fintan Hand and Jaime Staples, among others. However, in this hand played at the 2015 Irish Poker Open, the slowroll was extremely bad taste. The hand happened between German Andreas Gann and Irish Donnacha O'Dea, a highly respected veteran player in the country and eighth on Ireland's most awarded list, with more than $ 1.3 million in prizes. After Donnacha's raise with A6, Andreas just called with KQ of diamonds and hit the nuts on the A86 flop, with all of diamonds.



The Irishman put Andreas all in and from there started a pitiful theater. The German spent more than a minute thinking, even with the best possible hand, and appearing to have a real decision in his hands. When he finally announced the call, no one at the table seemed to believe the German's attitude. Several table players scolded Andreas for his attitude, as well as the crowd. However, the hand was not yet finished, as Donnacha could make a full house if an A or a 6 appeared. The turn was safe for the German, but on the river the expected 6 came, to the explosion of the players, the fans and even the commentators.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY8fpnkajw0&t=4s

 

[ga25x]

Makes me so mad every single time when some1 is calling mine allin (of course he has AA) after using full tank...

 

[MrPokerVerse]

Being a douchebag is not enough to penalize someone. Most who do it, get a pretty good verbal rant thrown their way.

 

[TUGIN777]

Here is an example of the thoughts that go through the head of a good player for 10-30 seconds while he makes a decision:
– With what range should I stay in the hand?
– What is the range (s) of my opponent(s)?
– How well does the board fit each of these ranges?
– Who did the board suit best?
– Who has more strong hands in the range?
– What is the best way to mix my actions? (GTO involves playing a mixed strategy game. Sometimes you bet 3-bet, and sometimes you call with the same hand. You can check-call from time to time, but you can also check-raise.)
- What are the stack sizes?
– How many chips are in the pot?
– What is my SPR (stack-to-pot ratio)?
- What is my betting strategy?
– Which sizing should I choose to play optimally?
.– What are the advantages of my hand, is it more aggressive or passive than my range on average?
.– What strategy will your opponent choose in response to my bet?
– What can we say about his behavior?
– What do I know about my opponent? What's our story? What reeds do you have on it?
– How do I assess his level of play, what exploits should I consider?

 

[uri73796]

More like no than yes.everyone plays as they want. Of course, sometimes it is annoying,but do not pay attention to it.It's better to concentrate on the game than on such idiots.

 

[bigthereal]

if it is legal one can not be punished for that

 

[samsonand]

the way the cards are displayed is not a crime but that from my point of view

 

[Snake2007]

Yes, they should, because at some point they become annoying and in addition, the tournament should run properly.

 

[KRANKES]

what do you think ? what would be a good penalty for them ?

Why would you? Everybody has the same time, everybody may use it to their decision. You want it faster? Play SNAP or ZOOM or slots!

 

[SPANKYSN]

I don't like slow rollers, but there could be circumstances you may not be aware of, so I don't think a penalty is warranted. If a player does it consistently, the others at the table will find a way to penalize by winning all their chips.

 

[franken222]

That's like saying that players that use "pre turn" buttons should be penalised.

Slow playing is a very important part of the game, and you are proving that by what you're suggesting. If it makes players impatient, I'm all for slow play, and I use it very effectively.

Each site allows ALL players a certain amount of time to take their turn, and if they want to use it, it's up to them.

I actually target players that get impatient, and when I'm up against them, I take as much time as I can.

 

[franken222]

Here is an example of the thoughts that go through the head of a good player for 10-30 seconds while he makes a decision:
– With what range should I stay in the hand?
– What is the range (s) of my opponent(s)?
– How well does the board fit each of these ranges?
– Who did the board suit best?
– Who has more strong hands in the range?
– What is the best way to mix my actions? (GTO involves playing a mixed strategy game. Sometimes you bet 3-bet, and sometimes you call with the same hand. You can check-call from time to time, but you can also check-raise.)
- What are the stack sizes?
– How many chips are in the pot?
– What is my SPR (stack-to-pot ratio)?
- What is my betting strategy?
– Which sizing should I choose to play optimally?
.– What are the advantages of my hand, is it more aggressive or passive than my range on average?
.– What strategy will your opponent choose in response to my bet?
– What can we say about his behavior?
– What do I know about my opponent? What's our story? What reeds do you have on it?
– How do I assess his level of play, what exploits should I consider?

Excellent reply!

For me, I love using the impatience of others players as part of my strategy.

Well said.

 

[suitedsadness]

I don't really think you can impose a penalty for that as it is too subjective and also I wouldn't really want to punish people who do this too much as they are often not very good players and I would much rather extract money from them than have them stop playing.

 

[Spielkind]

slow play is question-answer-Question--decision! to get with less costs, most equity-if its happend in this position you play

 

[poker hp635]

slow down the game sometimes a good strategy for this is the time allotted for each tournament whether it is slow or fast tournament can be ordered by reducing the time on the next hand and that will be enough

 

[Rahatis]

No. Always fun to see a slowroll.

 

[Spheremaster]

I don't like slow rollers... but it's part of the game...
have a nice day

 

[skaniol]

It is not against the rules but it should be, at least for the stone cold nuts. If you have the first nuts and you are the last to act facing an allin and you don't immediately call, you are wasting everyone's time and being extremely disrespectful to the person who is going to bust when you call, especially in a tournament with no re-entry, that person could have gotten up and left right away but you have them staying, waiting for you to call and turn over the nuts. It is ridiculous.

That's one reason but what about when it knocks your opponent out? Then there is no advantage to you and seen this live. If it cannot affect their game and give you any advantage which would seem at least a strategy, when it knocks the player out and does not provide that, seems cruel.

What? In a multi-table tournament, I wish that everyone would slowroll me before knocking me out. This extends my tournament life for free, and it could result in a better ranking/payout. I'd thank them for that.

I could see how slowrolling could be very annoying to some when playing live, cash, or at a final table. Personally, it doesn't affect me much, and it isn't something that I do.

 

[gonzalo1]

I think they should only be penalized when one plays turbo or hyper tournaments ... because in those cases time is short and important, but outside of those cases there is no reason to penalize, because time is always important to analyze and apply different types of strategies

 

[ChickenArise]

Death by lethal injection



too harsh? ok how about a mandatory lecture from my mom. That would end that.

 

[Sunz of Beaches]

That's like saying that players that use "pre turn" buttons should be penalised.

Slow playing is a very important part of the game, and you are proving that by what you're suggesting. If it makes players impatient, I'm all for slow play, and I use it very effectively.

Each site allows ALL players a certain amount of time to take their turn, and if they want to use it, it's up to them.

I actually target players that get impatient, and when I'm up against them, I take as much time as I can.

LOL you do not seem know what a slowroll is...and congrats for being a staller
on topic: no, slowrolls should not be penalized. its part of the game and its difficult to determine if someone was really slowolling or not in most cases.