Should Slow Rolls Be Penalized?

[franken222]

what do you think ? what would be a good penalty for them ?

Please accept an apology. I replied assuming you meant slow play. I was wrong, and I've learned something new.

I now know what a slow roll is, and I've never heard that phrase before, and I've been playing for many years.

Now that I know, I can answer properly.

I wouldn't like anyone doing that to me, but if it's not against the rules, I don't think there should be a penalty.

Again, thanks for pointing this out. I really appreciate it.

Always willing to learn.

 

[KzooLee24]

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I dont know what it is lately. Ive been getting slow rolled on the pre flop set up coolers. KK vs AA. AK vs. AQ. Or on the flop Top top vs. a set. People get off on slow rolling ive never been one to consider doing it. Unethical and blatantly just disrespectful. I wish there were penalties but unfortunatley there really is no way to prove if they just didnt know if the action wasw on them or if it was truly a slow roll.

 

[pjokay]

Well waiting extra time when you have the nuts, giving ur opponent thoughts that hes not drawing dead, Well its rude, its like wtf u doing this for.

Yeah my sentiments are the same. So many people comment though that the rules allow it so you can do it which is not really opinion. Or everyone can do what they want with the time bank, but again the question is o you think there should be a penalty, or at least do you have an opinion? We know everyone has a time bank, we know you can choose to slow roll. Somebody did it to me a couple of days with a straight flush over my flush. No need.

 

[betang]

I dont believe so. The time is according to the rules. So,everybody can use their times

 

[pjokay]

It's kind of disappointing to see that SO MANY CC members don't know what a slowroll is. I'm saying "so many" because most of the guys who have posted here already fall into the category. They are simply confusing it with slow acting or using most or all the allowed time. Both could be very annoying and slowrolling is even against poker etiquette but there's no penalty for the "offenders", players just have to put up with it. And as said above, in online play, sometimes some technical issues could give a wrong idea about what an opponent is doing.

I added the definition in the first page page but made no difference. Makes it very difficult to have a proper discussion and this is a standard poker term and happens quite a bit. I was interested in seeing what people's views were but a lot of answers are not to do with slow rolling. I put it on a similar level to bluff flashing.

 

[kirkham69er]

Not at all, the slow roll could be used as a strategy to get into the mind of your player, to put them on tilt and give you the advantage over them... its all tic tacks in poker afterall

 

[pjokay]

Sometimes, the slowroll can be a harmless attitude, especially when it is carried out among friends, as was the case with Thiago Decano and Fernando Grow, PokerStars ambassadors Fintan Hand and Jaime Staples, among others. However, in this hand played at the 2015 Irish Poker Open, the slowroll was extremely bad taste. The hand happened between German Andreas Gann and Irish Donnacha O'Dea, a highly respected veteran player in the country and eighth on Ireland's most awarded list, with more than $ 1.3 million in prizes. After Donnacha's raise with A6, Andreas just called with KQ of diamonds and hit the nuts on the A86 flop, with all of diamonds.



The Irishman put Andreas all in and from there started a pitiful theater. The German spent more than a minute thinking, even with the best possible hand, and appearing to have a real decision in his hands. When he finally announced the call, no one at the table seemed to believe the German's attitude. Several table players scolded Andreas for his attitude, as well as the crowd. However, the hand was not yet finished, as Donnacha could make a full house if an A or a 6 appeared. The turn was safe for the German, but on the river the expected 6 came, to the explosion of the players, the fans and even the commentators.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY8fpnkajw0&t=4s

I remember that, thought it was really funny and it was so deserved. Silly to pull it with a possible back fire. I do not understand why so many say its in the rules...it's your time bank...you can do what you want... and yet live you can see the crowd and commentators think it was absolutely disgusting. Maybe there is just better etiquette live?

 

[MURDACK]

I will say that I slowroll in poker. If there was a rule saying you not allowed to slowroll, then I wouldn't do it. Penalty will be maybe banned from the current game that I'm playing.

That interesting... I didn't know slowroll in poker could be a thing... I guess I never played one that there is that rule

 

[pjokay]

No. Always fun to see a slowroll.

Not when it's against you!

 

[abgvedr]

Sorry, I didn't understand your answer. the translator doesn't work well. I don't speak English. But in any case, I have the right to delay the time allotted to me, and this is not prohibited by the rules of the game.

I will send you private message in russian

 

[abgvedr]

Not at all, the slow roll could be used as a strategy to get into the mind of your player, to put them on tilt and give you the advantage over them... its all tic tacks in poker afterall

I don't think so, dont think you get too deep inside his mind, you just would get a reputation of a douchebag.
Getting into someones mind requires thinking few steps ahead of him.
Big deal to get nuts and then sit for 5 minutes and waste time.

 

[abgvedr]

I remember that, thought it was really funny and it was so deserved. Silly to pull it with a possible back fire. I do not understand why so many say its in the rules...it's your time bank...you can do what you want... and yet live you can see the crowd and commentators think it was absolutely disgusting. Maybe there is just better etiquette live?

I just really don't think much slowrolls happen online. Well first of all cause they are pointles. Slowroll is effective in live poker. Online you just dont associate your opponent with some you know guy, you dont know him, its just a player. Also in online poker your time don't stop when you wait for someone to act. You can make yourself tea, you can call your friend, you can scratch your butt, not so much in live poker.
Also there can even be an issue with your connection. So you sit and slowroll 55 sec of your 60 sec time bank, then you press call and your connection drops for 6 seconds

 

[pjokay]

No Sorry I disagree! Simply because even though he made the Nut Flush on the flop there is nothing to say the other player could already have hit Trips, or the two pair he did have or was drawing to the straight flush with the 7/9 of Diamonds, I am sure all this was going through his mind before he called, and as it turned out he was wrong to call.
The Commentator blew this all out of proportion for sensational T.V. and nothing more. I have lost count of the number of times I have made the best hand on the flop, only to be outdrawn by the turn or river cards. That's Poker! That's what makes it the exhilarating game it is.

When the fun Stops, STOP!

If you actually watch the players in this hand it was quite obviously deliberate. But you cannot see them it that link but sure you would agree if you watch links that show the players.

 

[pjokay]

I just really don't think much slowrolls happen online. Well first of all cause they are pointles. Slowroll is effective in live poker. Online you just dont associate your opponent with some you know guy, you dont know him, its just a player. Also in online poker your time don't stop when you wait for someone to act. You can make yourself tea, you can call your friend, you can scratch your butt, not so much in live poker.
Also there can even be an issue with your connection. So you sit and slowroll 55 sec of your 60 sec time bank, then you press call and your connection drops for 6 seconds

I would not say pointless as players do it to try and tilt others. If it it just annoys someone it could potentially affect their game. Obviously unlikely with pro's but could affect a recreational player. But even pro's can get irritated but are probably better guarded not to let it affect their games. But I understand this as a tactic (although do not like it) when the player being slow-rolled will remain in the game on tilt. Do not understand at all when this is done against someone you are knocking out. Then it is definitively an arsehole move!

 

[carlosnuno]

I don't think they should be penalized, everyone plays with their strategies

 

[kirkham69er]

I personally don't slow roll with the nuts at all, however if someone wants to do so and feels that will help them, then whatever, surely it is up to you the player to not be affected by it and yes all be it rude, its not against the rules, so you have to accept it as a thing and try to not let such instances get to you

I don't think so, dont think you get too deep inside his mind, you just would get a reputation of a douchebag.
Getting into someones mind requires thinking few steps ahead of him.
Big deal to get nuts and then sit for 5 minutes and waste time.

 

[Shumkoolie]

Online it is probably because player is multitasking or too many tables or bad connection.

Good point - we cannot always assume someone is slowrolling, though if you noticed that they were abnormally slow with one specific play and then show the nuts, that's slowrolling.

Well, imagine the situation that you are playing 8 tables in a row and how do you think you will allocate time to move for each of them?Everything is very simple in fact-never rush to snatch a victory-it will come to you by itself!

Agreed.

However, in this hand played at the 2015 Irish Poker Open, the slowroll was extremely bad taste. The hand happened between German Andreas Gann and Irish Donnacha O'Dea, a highly respected veteran player in the country and eighth on Ireland's most awarded list, with more than $ 1.3 million in prizes. After Donnacha's raise with A6, Andreas just called with KQ of diamonds and hit the nuts on the A86 flop, with all of diamonds.


The Irishman put Andreas all in and from there started a pitiful theater. The German spent more than a minute thinking, even with the best possible hand, and appearing to have a real decision in his hands. When he finally announced the call, no one at the table seemed to believe the German's attitude. Several table players scolded Andreas for his attitude, as well as the crowd. However, the hand was not yet finished, as Donnacha could make a full house if an A or a 6 appeared. The turn was safe for the German, but on the river the expected 6 came, to the explosion of the players, the fans and even the commentators.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY8fpnkajw0&t=4s

I've actually never seen this clip of the commentators - I've seen the one where you see the players, but boy is this GOLD!!! Donnacha is a legend of Irish Poker and never have I seen commentators rooting SO hard for a player. It was good that he won the hand.

hahahaha the cards should punish
it remembers me the Big Game
Phill Helmuth with A9
Loose canon with KK
Flop : T99
Phil slow rolls
It runs 4 times and he loses 3/4 times with the best hand in the flop (trip nines)

That one was absolutely hilarious, and Hellmuth of course tried to justify that he could have had Tens full, which based on the cannon's play, was possible because he played SO passively, but still, his justification was a bit of a stretch.

There's NO need to institute a rule against a slowroller - the game is fine as it is. Infact, I had an instance where I was slowrolled, but it didn't bother me in the least, as I looked at it this way.

I was close to a pay jump in a tournament and I used my timebank to effectively go all-in with Ax, and got called by one player (I had 1 big blind left behind). Flop was J55, and I used up my timebank before putting in my last big blind, and my opponent went into the tank and used up some of their timebank before calling with JJ. I was streaming this game on Discord and the one person watching was furious about it. But the way I looked at it, the player was actually doing me a FAVOR (ultimately it didn't work). But if their slowrolling me resulted in me making it to the extra pay jump, it's a +EV play to be slowrolled.

If you want to slowroll me, go ahead, I couldn't care less, whatever makes you feel better.

 

[Luca Santos]

I do not think this action is the worst, I do not believe this is a passive of punishment!

 

[Chief talking bull]

I don't like to see it happen but I think karma will take care of it.

 

[Rahatis]

Not when it's against you!

I don't mind at all. I find it funny.

 

[adueno81]

I think they should. I hate waiting.

 

[samsonand]

from my point of view I do not see it as critical as to penalize it because it is very ambiguous

 

[scubed]

what do you think ? what would be a good penalty for them ?

Online is strange as the player might be multi-tabling and not slow-rolling on purpose.

In person poker - it's all part of the game. If I know I can tilt my opponent by slow-rolling him. Why not? Then someone, hopefully me, can take the rest of his chips on the next hand!

 

[SgtStarMan]

I don't think slow rolling warrants a penalty. There are rules to the game that everyone follows, and then there's etiquette. Slow rolling falls into the latter, and it's really just one of many ways to get under the skin of an opponent. There's always going to be other means to do so, so there's no point in drawing a line. Part of the game.

 

[meagain00]

I don't think so. If the player pays the buy in, is only his decision to do or not the slowroll. We can complain, but with no effect.

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