Is Online Poker Rigged?

[ViserioN_SE]

it means you have to learn to win your opponent before the showdown or even before the flop[emoji110] [emoji110] [emoji110]

vs donks that call everything? maybe you are a guesser but i´m not :hahaha:

 

[Zorba]

Breakout Poker Yes they just cheated me with card changing too,hour ago.had QQ 50 left of 700 odd.flop comes 392 I bet 1 caller ,turn comes..Q nice...so I check and double..triple check taking note of any or no straight/flush draws noting if I pair the board I have best full house but I have NO full house I repeat NO FULLHOUSE on turn river comes,I check,double check,triple check OK no problem my QQQ is the nuts 100% so I push caller has 33 awesome....no the pot goes to him....I look at the board and the flop has changed to 393 giving him quads...so many times so many sites and so sick of spelling it all out!!?

So there goes Breakout in the trash can and High stakes can go with them...same platform/software/program whatever.

The Ol' change the flop trick, ya gotta keep a close eye on the flop, it's a pity no one has invented a way that you could record that happening. :hmmmm:


:captain:

This ^ is just so ridiculous I don't know what to say but.... when I mentioned to you in another thread that you have lots to look forward to if you choose to learn how to play... well I've changed my mind. Pretty sure it's hopeless for you dude. (seems you're not even interested in learning how to play this game)

You do realise you are talking to someone that has discovered it's rigged at MULTIPLE SITES and still plays at those sites mate, how many times have you seen the flop magically change when you play, I have never seen it, but if I did I wouldn't keep playing there.

:bandit:

 

[Tuan]

I think poker has variances and bad beats happen more for online poker. First, the buy in is smaller so people play wild and more hands. Second, in my opinion online players play way too many hands and raise a lot more even from the under the gun position. Final, it is much easier to call and play loose online because you can't get a read from face expression; so it is much easier to bluff.

 

[oneybiggs]

Big ups to party poker! Small but very much needed bankroll and I can assure you what happens outside stars STAYS outside stars

 

[oneybiggs]

The Ol' change the flop trick, ya gotta keep a close eye on the flop, it's a pity no one has invented a way that you could record that happening. :hmmmm:


:captain:


You do realise you are talking to someone that has discovered it's rigged at MULTIPLE SITES and still plays at those sites mate, how many times have you seen the flop magically change when you play, I have never seen it, but if I did I wouldn't keep playing there.

:bandit:

I fully understand your fair comment Zorba,I agree but I love it too much to stop.Ive seen stuff every site since the day i deposited but never an inkling of it in first couple years on play money.Thats why I chose Party as my fav because I've seen it the least there but haven't been able to cash due to address verification ,always bad timing but sorted now...and sorry bout my speel on the royals thread(what a hoot) just getting the last of the cuckoo out of my system lol no real offence meant mate.was wondering what your screen name is in case I see u at tables? Back at party now myself..got 1 under the belt first night back there.gl at the tables man I mean that!

 

[therealzizzy]

I'm convinced Igntion is a cheater. I'm moving over to ACR lol

 

[8bod8]

Is Online Poker Rigged????

No, I do not believe that it is rigged, and I have played online for years. I actually believe the reality to be much more complicated and utterly hilarious, if it wasn't so frustrating as well.

I believe the system is actually flawed in two fundamentally hopelessly broken ways.

1. I firmly believe that the random number generator is, for all intents and purposes, completely broken. Whether a result of flawed programming, or worse biased programming (based on certain preset parameters), the result is the same: uneven game play. It is only when a complete overhaul of what passes as an RNG these days is done that we can actually attempt to be confident that Online Poker is fair and unbiased.

2. I also believe that the online poker sites (and programs) are flooded with donkeys, or "inexperienced" poker players who do not understand even the basics of proper poker playing. These types of players call hands they utterly should not, either because they do not know any better, or because they simply do not care. Playing in such a haphazard manner robs those of use who do care, and absolutely know better.

Until these issues are fully explored, studied, and ultimately dealt with in a timely and proper fashion, online (and to a somewhat lesser degree, offline) poker will continue to be a very frustrating game for those of use who truly profess to love this crazy game.

I really like both arguments, as each one of them makes my life easy.
The broken RNG makes sure I have a better chance of hitting flop/post flop.
The donkeys give away their chips eagerly.
I wonder if the bots are smart enough to realize this.

The Ol' change the flop trick, ya gotta keep a close eye on the flop, it's a pity no one has invented a way that you could record that happening. :hmmmm:


:captain:


You do realise you are talking to someone that has discovered it's rigged at MULTIPLE SITES and still plays at those sites mate, how many times have you seen the flop magically change when you play, I have never seen it, but if I did I wouldn't keep playing there.

:bandit:

Flop swaps are like Loch Ness monster and UFO pictures, always blurred and look like polar bears in the snow at night at 300 meters with heavy fog and focus in macro.

 

[BigJLittleJ]

I believe many people on here are fooling themselves. I don't think half of the responses here would actually be saying that online poker is not fixed. Your probably saying that just incase your favourite poker site is reading your post then stitches you up. I don't mean to insult your intelligence, it's something I would say at times myself. But you got to be honest..... it's rigged. God bless & wake up.

 

[Pillivey]

This is so sad

I can't believe people bring up one isolated hand and say that it's rigged . My fav is the 60/40 cry babies . I hope it puts them all on tilt . And if it's rigged then it's rigged for Who to win ? Lol

 

[sheltowee420]

is online rigged ?

My personal guestimation is that for every 100 players in an online tournament 5 of them are bots (or something), plus you and me and the rest. So, one key to success is to recognize this, and fit your game to this reality. also, a good screen name could be: MyPetTroll.

 

[Makonbacon]

There’s this poker App called pppoker (which I guess it can sorta be considered as online poker?) that has garnered some attention recently and imo it’s rigged af. I get runner runnered being 85% favourite 3-5 times in an hour almost every other day

 

[west28]

who really knows if it is, why is it that has grown so much in the last past years.

 

[ozrock]

For years, have played an equal amount of live and online. Online is rigged as hell. I've never been in, or have I seen so many bad beats happen to other players as I have online. It is amazing how many inside straights, 2 outer's, hands that have an 8% or less chance win time and time again. Makes me wonder when (it will happen eventually) online poker becomes regulated if this crazy crap will continue.

 

[hookmeout]

What would poker rooms gain by rigging? They may rig to generate action

 

[puzzlefish]

What would poker rooms gain by rigging? They may rig to generate action

More profit. Keep money in the site. Maximize deposits, minimize withdrawals, maximize rake. That's pretty much it. If there are any rogue employees, they may have self interests and act on their own apart from the site.

 

[Nikolay Nakhaev]

I do not know the opinion of many, but I have no confidence in the pppoker room.
it is quite possible that many bots are used there as in the j88 rooms
it's my opinion

 

[muky2]

I don't worry so much about online rooms cheating, but I wonder about possible tweaking to the random card generator in free rolls on some sites. One site in particular was Poker Mira, a Russian poker site I played a little. It seemed that the big stacks would get very generous cards with weaker staring hands especially late in the tournaments and mostly against very short stacks. I just never thought it was worth complaining about since it was in a freeroll to start with.

 

[Nikolay Nakhaev]

I don't worry so much about online rooms cheating, but I wonder about possible tweaking to the random card generator in free rolls on some sites. One site in particular was Poker Mira, a Russian poker site I played a little. It seemed that the big stacks would get very generous cards with weaker staring hands especially late in the tournaments and mostly against very short stacks. I just never thought it was worth complaining about since it was in a freeroll to start with.

not all rooms are good
but you have a large selection else where to play.
I also do not trust a number of rooms where the work of the security service is not visible and these rooms have rather bad reviews from the players. unfortunately, as I noticed, many people do not play poker, but in the lottery and they always get there)

 

[Stingray]

Yes and no

Can someone please explain to me why in a Big pot the weakest hand wins more online than live? Many times AA or KK gets cracked by smaller PP and many times on the river. Played live 3 days and only saw a 1 outer one time honestly. Online in almost every tournament I see the ugly 2 outer. Is it part of the programming? Have even seen set over set get cracked. Talking about maths why is this more frequent online?

 

[MemphisGrind]

Can someone please explain to me why in a Big pot the weakest hand wins more online than live? Many times AA or KK gets cracked by smaller PP and many times on the river. Played live 3 days and only saw a 1 outer one time honestly. Online in almost every tournament I see the ugly 2 outer. Is it part of the programming? Have even seen set over set get cracked. Talking about maths why is this more frequent online?

I really feel like people seriously don't realize the difference in the amount of hands you see online vs. live.....

 

[Stingray]

In the future

I really feel like people seriously don't realize the difference in the amount of hands you see online vs. live.....

in the future please read the post before replying. It does say 3 days.
3 days live poker is many hands more than a smaller online tournament or satelite. Similar to more than 20 hours live. Can you see the comparison I am trying to make now? Playing online 2-3 hours is much more hands than 20 hours live? Please no spam read the context.

 

[MemphisGrind]

in the future please read the post before replying. It does say 3 days.
3 days live poker is many hands more than a smaller online tournament or satelite. Similar to more than 20 hours live. Can you see the comparison I am trying to make now? Playing online 2-3 hours is much more hands than 20 hours live? Please no spam read the context.

I'm not spamming I just don't agree with your statement "Can someone please explain to me why in a Big pot the weakest hand wins more online than live?" I don't think this statement is true, and I felt like one reason you may be misunderstanding what you are seeing is because of the MASSIVE difference between hands dealt per hour between live and online . You said you saw a ONE outer out of 500 (live dealer dealing 25 hph x 20 hours which is a low estimate some deal up to 40hph) and in 300 hands online (assuming you are playing one table 100hph which is a low estimate some tables get 120+ ) if you are multi-tabling which is standard... 4 is average that is 1200 hands in 3 hours which smashes what you would see live, and you're saying you saw a TWO outer each time you play an online tournament (which is obviously and exaggeration) .. I don't understand why you feel there is a programming error and it's not just variance?

 

[Stingray]

I really feel like people seriously don't realize the difference in the amount of hands you see online vs. live.....

Again you are spamming and calling me a lier. You are not counting all the stallers online right? I have seen it for the past month every day ok? The table I play online is 8 handed vs 10 handed live. Look it was even televised and on the tv table it Only happened once all tournament that some Got their AA cracked. It is not much more hands online. Today I played only 20-30 hands and I Got AA cracked on river. Is this a Lie also? Wtf is wrong with you? It does not add up to more hands. Your calculation is not exactly very accurate. What should I Call you then a lier or similar also?

I'm not spamming I just don't agree with your statement "Can someone please explain to me why in a Big pot the weakest hand wins more online than live?" I don't think this statement is true, and I felt like one reason you may be misunderstanding what you are seeing is because of the MASSIVE difference between hands dealt per hour between live and online . You said you saw a ONE outer out of 500 (live dealer dealing 25 hph x 20 hours which is a low estimate some deal up to 40hph) and in 300 hands online (assuming you are playing one table 100hph which is a low estimate some tables get 120+ ) if you are multi-tabling which is standard... 4 is average that is 1200 hands in 3 hours which smashes what you would see live, and you're saying you saw a TWO outer each time you play an online tournament (which is obviously and exaggeration) .. I don't understand why you feel there is a programming error and it's not just variance?

And what if it even was more hands? You are avoiding the question of what lands on the board. Also it is commonly known that online poker has more action hands than live. AA vs KK or even AA vs KK vs QQ. This you dont know?

 

[puzzlefish]

Instead of calling people liars, provide more details. Where do you play - what sites? There are many people - a majority in fact - that believe in online variance and fair poker site RNGs. You are a minority. Check out the rigged megathread on these forums.

 

[Devourx]

I don't think poker sites are rigged, but what i worry about is individuals having software to give them advantage over other players on the online sites...how can you control that or hackers, etc that sort of thing.