After all, who believes that most poker sites are rigged?

[member401988]

Personally, I haven't seen anything like this yet... Can someone share it? ) Insinuations are kind of annoying...))

come to me and I will tell you
the information is very valuable and it took a lot of effort to get it !

 

[thwenth1983]

Programmers I want to hear you the most.
Of course the official terms alegate that there is no manipulation of the cards dealt in online poker room tables. It actually says that (and this is only for the big poker sites) the dealing cards system is "as random as possible". Wait, is it totally random or not?
Folks, legal or not, I do believe our real experience more than "legal terms and conditions" drawn by the company lawyers. We are talking about multi milionare companies that has every resource available to circumvent the borders of legal burocarcy. Even though there is regulation, it doesn't mean they have no way of rigging and profiting by it in their softwares.
"They would loose all their players if it was rigged". No, because the players are dumb and the company too smart. "There are small poker sites that we have to worry about, but big ones like GG or PS would never do that". Really? Does that make any sense at all? Small companies get caught because they don't have the legal resources to back them up. As more money a company possess, more we have to worry, cause basically they can do whatever they want. You can say whatever you want, call me conspiratory, but in a capitalist system, this is a reality.
What grounds can we have to at least justify this allegations, if they say is not rigged? Math. Well, we are students of chance, probability, and I'm telling ya, with frequency I've seen with my own eyes some turnouts that math would disagree with.
But the insteresting thing would be to hear some software engineers, programmers, people that actually know how it is to manipulate, to PROGRAM this kind of system. Oh, the big letters are to make sure we're talking about something that can be pre-set, previously defined, architected, programmed. We are talking about something that is more than possible to be rigged within legal boundaries.
Tell us your opinion.
TY

Good morning, player. When I started playing, I also had this impression that the outcome of the cards was being manipulated. I started playing Poker in 2018, I mean, and today, after playing so much, reading about the subject, and seeing professional players talking about it, I can say with certainty that the site is not interested in manipulating the outcome of the cards, it doesn't matter who wins the hand. If poker sites were to manipulate any game, they would manipulate casino games. The sites' biggest profits are from casino games, they earn millions of dollars a day in casino games. The profit that the site makes from poker games is very small compared to the profit that the site makes in relation to the casino. So it doesn't make sense for the site to manipulate Poker games. Even because on the site, for example, you sign up for a tournament for $109, $100 goes to the prize pool and $9 is the rake fee that the site takes for it. So the site has already received its money, it makes no sense for the site to manipulate the game for one player to win. Why would it favor one player and harm another player? What does the site gain from this? Nothing. But there is money involved there, but it is very little money, what the site earns in Poker is very small. So you can rest assured that there is no manipulation of the results of the cards in the deck.

 

[member401988]

Good morning, player. When I started playing, I also had this impression that the outcome of the cards was being manipulated. I started playing Poker in 2018, I mean, and today, after playing so much, reading about the subject, and seeing professional players talking about it, I can say with certainty that the site is not interested in manipulating the outcome of the cards, it doesn't matter who wins the hand. If Poker sites were to manipulate any game, they would manipulate casino games. The sites' biggest profits are from casino games, they earn millions of dollars a day in casino games. The profit that the site makes from Poker games is very small compared to the profit that the site makes in relation to the casino. So it doesn't make sense for the site to manipulate Poker games. Even because on the site, for example, you sign up for a tournament for $109, $100 goes to the prize pool and $9 is the rake fee that the site takes for it. So the site has already received its money, it makes no sense for the site to manipulate the game for one player to win. Why would it favor one player and harm another player? What does the site gain from this? Nothing. But there is money involved there, but it is very little money, what the site earns in Poker is very small. So you can rest assured that there is no manipulation of the results of the cards in the deck.

you said it in simple words but how do you know or you never doubted in all these years playing poker

 

[mclay]

Programmers I want to hear you the most.
Of course the official terms alegate that there is no manipulation of the cards dealt in online poker room tables. It actually says that (and this is only for the big poker sites) the dealing cards system is "as random as possible". Wait, is it totally random or not?
Folks, legal or not, I do believe our real experience more than "legal terms and conditions" drawn by the company lawyers. We are talking about multi milionare companies that has every resource available to circumvent the borders of legal burocarcy. Even though there is regulation, it doesn't mean they have no way of rigging and profiting by it in their softwares.
"They would loose all their players if it was rigged". No, because the players are dumb and the company too smart. "There are small poker sites that we have to worry about, but big ones like GG or PS would never do that". Really? Does that make any sense at all? Small companies get caught because they don't have the legal resources to back them up. As more money a company possess, more we have to worry, cause basically they can do whatever they want. You can say whatever you want, call me conspiratory, but in a capitalist system, this is a reality.
What grounds can we have to at least justify this allegations, if they say is not rigged? Math. Well, we are students of chance, probability, and I'm telling ya, with frequency I've seen with my own eyes some turnouts that math would disagree with.
But the insteresting thing would be to hear some software engineers, programmers, people that actually know how it is to manipulate, to PROGRAM this kind of system. Oh, the big letters are to make sure we're talking about something that can be pre-set, previously defined, architected, programmed. We are talking about something that is more than possible to be rigged within legal boundaries.
Tell us your opinion.
TY

A meaningless set of phrases, I don’t see a single logical argument.

 

[member401988]

A meaningless set of phrases, I don’t see a single logical argument.

but have we not heard of any scams or is all online poker really as pure and innocent as a Sunday carol in church

 

[tw082]

I can't speak for all. However, if they are an unlicensed operating from some island where the country they operate in can not pursue any kind of legal action regardless of the issue. Well, ya know. Legit businesses do not go through these kinda troubles.

 

[member401988]

I can't speak for all. However, if they are an unlicensed operating from some island where the country they operate in can not pursue any kind of legal action regardless of the issue. Well, ya know. Legit businesses do not go through these kinda troubles.

Putting all the little things together, of course, big problems arise and I don't understand why there are so many defenders of the dirty, smelly, dishonest online poker business

 

[tw082]

Putting all the little things together, of course, big problems arise and I don't understand why there are so many defenders of the dirty, smelly, dishonest online poker business

Well you know what Mark Twain didn't say. Even though he gets credit for it and 100 others he didn't say. “It's Easier to Fool People Than It Is to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.” – not Mark Twain.

 

[LUKADONCICMVP]

most are I could prove with all my hand history but nobody cares besides myself, but don't play any online poker rooms than u don't get scammed

 

[OliviaGiraud]

No, most reputable poker sites are not rigged. Major regulated platforms use certified random number generators (RNGs) and are regularly audited by independent bodies. However, there are several reasons why some players think that online poker is rigged. This would be a very negative aspect for every site with a false image.

 

[smashthemafia69]

I want to first ask a question to everyone who defends online poker sites and claims they are 100% fair.
Is there an institution where you can send your hand history, and they will check it for mathematical anomalies? The answer is: no! Everything related to so-called laboratories and regulatory institutions is a complete scam. Nobody can help you if you have found a mathematical anomaly in your hand history. And the reason is that you yourself agree to the site’s terms and conditions when you register.

Another reason is that poker sites are private businesses, casinos, and it is completely legal for them to give more “luck” to a certain type of player. For example, if you write to a regulator claiming something is wrong with your hand history, they will simply reply that you agreed to the site’s terms and conditions. Whether that’s fair or not, you can judge for yourself.

 

[smashthemafia69]

I want to first ask a question to everyone who defends online poker sites and claims they are 100% fair.
Is there an institution where you can send your hand history, and they will check it for mathematical anomalies? The answer is: no! Everything related to so-called laboratories and regulatory institutions is a complete scam. Nobody can help you if you have found a mathematical anomaly in your hand history. And the reason is that you yourself agree to the site’s terms and conditions when you register.

Another reason is that poker sites are private businesses, casinos, and it is completely legal for them to give more “luck” to a certain type of player. For example, if you write to a regulator claiming something is wrong with your hand history, they will simply reply that you agreed to the site’s terms and conditions. Whether that’s fair or not, you can judge for yourself.

 

[AgressiveFacts]

I'd estimate the chances of GG Poker being a fair and legit site at exactly 0% and I want to bring PVI aka Player Value Index to everyone's attion. Its what they use to CHEAT Regs out of their Rakeback without telling them.

It's an established fact that PVI is used at GG Poker. I'd ask any Defender of the site to explain to me why they wouldn't use that for skill based matchmaking and or fixing the card distribution as well.

It can't be because they don't cheat, we've established that as a fact, I can't wait to see what some shill has to say about.

 

[ODRAGD3]

Programmers I want to hear you the most.
Of course the official terms alegate that there is no manipulation of the cards dealt in online poker room tables. It actually says that (and this is only for the big poker sites) the dealing cards system is "as random as possible". Wait, is it totally random or not?
Folks, legal or not, I do believe our real experience more than "legal terms and conditions" drawn by the company lawyers. We are talking about multi milionare companies that has every resource available to circumvent the borders of legal burocarcy. Even though there is regulation, it doesn't mean they have no way of rigging and profiting by it in their softwares.
"They would loose all their players if it was rigged". No, because the players are dumb and the company too smart. "There are small poker sites that we have to worry about, but big ones like GG or PS would never do that". Really? Does that make any sense at all? Small companies get caught because they don't have the legal resources to back them up. As more money a company possess, more we have to worry, cause basically they can do whatever they want. You can say whatever you want, call me conspiratory, but in a capitalist system, this is a reality.
What grounds can we have to at least justify this allegations, if they say is not rigged? Math. Well, we are students of chance, probability, and I'm telling ya, with frequency I've seen with my own eyes some turnouts that math would disagree with.
But the insteresting thing would be to hear some software engineers, programmers, people that actually know how it is to manipulate, to PROGRAM this kind of system. Oh, the big letters are to make sure we're talking about something that can be pre-set, previously defined, architected, programmed. We are talking about something that is more than possible to be rigged within legal boundaries.
Tell us your opinion.
TY

There's no casino system where the house loses!
They'll always throw you prizes to entice you to bet more money! But there will come a point where you lose. The system of chance is designed for those who dominate the table! It's the same for live casinos.

 

[AgressiveFacts]

There's no casino system where the house loses!
They'll always throw you prizes to entice you to bet more money! But there will come a point where you lose. The system of chance is designed for those who dominate the table! It's the same for live casinos.

Gg is way more sinister, those who dominate the table just suffer variance till they quit. Btw it's not variance when the result is predictable and always the same but that's another point

 

[flail1]

Where the money is, you will find bots and AI programs with mult-accounts playing in the background these days. Sites do work at minimizing this impact I believe. Many years ago a friend worked at a smaller poker site in programming and one drunken evening he slipped out that perhaps sites manipulate the win percent by a few points to favour players they have on their payroll in those big money tourneys - remember drinking was involved so I can't say one way or another. He told me a name or two though to avoid...but big bucks always attracts those looking for a spot to exploit.

 

[Sunz of Beaches]

Where the money is, you will find bots and AI programs with mult-accounts playing in the background these days. Sites do work at minimizing this impact I believe. Many years ago a friend worked at a smaller poker site in programming and one drunken evening he slipped out that perhaps sites manipulate the win percent by a few points to favour players they have on their payroll in those big money tourneys - remember drinking was involved so I can't say one way or another. He told me a name or two though to avoid...but big bucks always attracts those looking for a spot to exploit.

Your friend sounds like an incredible trustful source wow. I would instantly believe everything he was claiming.

 

[AgressiveFacts]

Your friend sounds like an incredible trustful source wow. I would instantly believe everything he was claiming.

Try to explain how PVI without notice isn't cheating if you want to defend your loved Chinese site. Also, pls name the main share holder in NSUS...

 

[Sunz of Beaches]

Try to explain how PVI without notice isn't cheating if you want to defend your loved Chinese site. Also, pls name the main share holder in NSUS...

Sorry but i dont speak to multi accounters who only create accounts to bash sites. Its ignore list 4 u @Trust.China and whatever other accounts u use here 😀

Byebye!

 

[AgressiveFacts]

Sorry but i dont speak to multi accounters who only create accounts to bash sites. Its ignore list 4 u @Trust.China and whatever other accounts u use here 😀

Byebye!

So you can't explain if away and launch a personal attack instead, sounds like an amateur and not a paid operator. Btw can you give me my password for China scam I forgot about that.

Gg Pokers owners are unknown, PVI is illegal in most places they hold a license in and you fanboy can't say a word about it

 

[bowserdon]

WOW Ihonestly dont think so,but with some of my bad beaats I sometime wonder

 

[Peteski84]

My dad and brother were playing a tournament on pokerstars. They both ended up on the same table.
They both went in on the flop. My dad folded my brother continued. The turn and the river showed different on both screens. My brother won the hand but it made it appear that if my father carried on he would have won. Don't know if it was a glitch, but I have only witnessed that happen once.

 

[Ivan Basic]

My dad and brother were playing a tournament on pokerstars. They both ended up on the same table.
They both went in on the flop. My dad folded my brother continued. The turn and the river showed different on both screens. My brother won the hand but it made it appear that if my father carried on he would have won. Don't know if it was a glitch, but I have only witnessed that happen once.

how is this possible when you have tournament ID and history?

 

[Sunz of Beaches]

how is this possible when you have tournament ID and history?

I think what he intended to say was that he got drunk with other family members and after they played a bit online poker despite almost not seeing the cards anymore.

 

[Brigistul]

And which proof do we have about the randomness of dealing cards in online poker rooms?

The very conditions imposed by managers on programmers! Deposits, withdrawals, timing, buy-ins, etc. Programmers don’t say anything because they’re bound by confidentiality agreements! If they disclose anything, they’re liable to pay colossal sums!So don’t ask for proof, because it doesn’t exist and programmers’ secrets are never disclosed!