After all, who believes that most poker sites are rigged?

[Poker Orifice]

You replied to my own posting and in an obvious manner.
So you don't want to bet anymore I guess lol

I'd be more than happy to bet... but you suggested I was saying that a person could do this while playing 100nl online. There is a thing called 'MTTs' online where quite a few people play (many more than cash games).
You let me know how much you want to wager. How would I expect you to put up funds in an escrow when you're making up stuff like fulltilt changing the suits of the cards as they're dealt. Honestly I don't even know why I'm responding to you. Tell you what... not only do I want whatever you choose to bet to be paid to one of my poker accounts but I also want my 3mins of my life back!

 

[ms_attack]

Poker is a multi-billion dollar market, and wherever large sums of money are involved, cheating is highly likely. There's even a gambling mafia. There are plenty of examples, like FulTilt. There are certainly things that many don't consider fraudulent, but actually are.

GG advertises a 90% Black Friday discount on the $108 Bounty Hunter, but it's not a discount; it's become a regular $10.80 tournament, as you can see from the prize distribution and the bounty.

There are also plenty of scams in live poker. Players teaming up and then splitting the winnings is just one small example.

I do think there's software running in the background that analyzes a player's behavior, such as frequency, payouts, stakes, etc. Poker rooms need rake, and if a player generates a lot of rake, they're a good player for the poker site. Then they need to be kept happy so they don't leave.

 

[my_world_myway9]

Programmers I want to hear you the most.
Of course the official terms alegate that there is no manipulation of the cards dealt in online poker room tables. It actually says that (and this is only for the big poker sites) the dealing cards system is "as random as possible". Wait, is it totally random or not?
Folks, legal or not, I do believe our real experience more than "legal terms and conditions" drawn by the company lawyers. We are talking about multi milionare companies that has every resource available to circumvent the borders of legal burocarcy. Even though there is regulation, it doesn't mean they have no way of rigging and profiting by it in their softwares.
"They would loose all their players if it was rigged". No, because the players are dumb and the company too smart. "There are small poker sites that we have to worry about, but big ones like GG or PS would never do that". Really? Does that make any sense at all? Small companies get caught because they don't have the legal resources to back them up. As more money a company possess, more we have to worry, cause basically they can do whatever they want. You can say whatever you want, call me conspiratory, but in a capitalist system, this is a reality.
What grounds can we have to at least justify this allegations, if they say is not rigged? Math. Well, we are students of chance, probability, and I'm telling ya, with frequency I've seen with my own eyes some turnouts that math would disagree with.
But the insteresting thing would be to hear some software engineers, programmers, people that actually know how it is to manipulate, to PROGRAM this kind of system. Oh, the big letters are to make sure we're talking about something that can be pre-set, previously defined, architected, programmed. We are talking about something that is more than possible to be rigged within legal boundaries.
Tell us your opinion.
TY

I totaly agree. Whether it is with bots, or software programing or now wi AI you can bet they they will manipulate the game to benefit the house if its possible! 🙈🙉🙊💯%...

Alright mate, I'll engage. Tell me WHY they do it?

Isn't it obvious why?

If you think about it logically the poker sites make enough money running legit games. If i site was proved
to be rigged it would lose all its players immediately, it would just not be worth them doing. Having played
online as long as poker has been online I have NEVER seen any evidence of a poker site, big or small, being rigged.

There have been a couple scandels ultimatebet, fultilt and there has been universities building bots sites and challenging players to beat them! Do you really think it was for the betterment of online poker and man? This was during the early days of online poker as well. I even participated in the beta testing phases of this Poker Boom. To think they haven't figured out how to manipulate it to their benefit 🤔 is just nieve and now with AI being integrated into everything, you have to wonder! The world is shifting to the proverbial cliff, will humanity fall off? Imo, we already have and how we put the Jeanie back in the bottle is the question? Call me what you want a tinfoil hatter! Time will tell....

Well, poker is a game that involves luck and if you've played a reasonable amount live you'll realize that it's very similar to online, you can go through long periods of bad luck, and even if you play decently things don't work out as they should. as expected. Not to mention that your mind becomes increasingly shaken and negative and this inevitably affects your results.
I've been losing for about a year now, and I've already lost about 20 thousand dollars, and previously I went through another big period of losing before landing a hit. The good news is that I have never invested large amounts of money and most of the money I earned for free, and I have no reason to be helped by websites, quite the opposite.
Poker doesn't work for some people, it has to be very important to you for it to work, and you have to have nerves of steel to survive the fluctuations.
I've already been through what you're going through, and if this is really what you want for yourself, I only advise you not to give up and try until your last drop of blood.
One issue you raised is really interesting, which is randomness, if it is real, in fact binary code systems imitate randomness, but don't worry because the systems on the most well-known sites are very well done and if you worry, with your game, and by improving and observing standards you will go much further than worrying about something that you cannot change or do better.

Randomness, thats a very interesting topic and one I invite you to research further! Its a very deep rabbit hole that will definitely peek ones curiosity and create new questions into card shuffling and Randomness.
Let us know what you find?🤔

I refer you back to my earlier point. Why? Why do you think they would rig the software?

I fully understand being educated to not just accept what the standard status quois. I am anti corporation, anti capitalist and anti government. BUT what I am asking is why? What has happened to you to make you question it? I play online and increasingly live. I've seen some crazy stuff happen live too,

How often have you played in a casino environment in the last year?

Why anti-capitalist? I find that interesting from a poker players perspective!

 

[infonazar]

Manipulation is probably no exception. But if you know how to make money playing freerolls, this somewhat negates the impact of possible manipulation. Let's say you've built up a bankroll of $100 by playing freerolls. And you only spend the money you've won in freerolls on the game. Manipulation will probably affect your results, but you'll still have a chance to win money without risking anything. All you need is free time.

 

[KrazyKoo]

We should make a poll, ranking sites based on their rigged-o-meter. Unibet #1 of course.

 

[JhonnyThe357]

Programmers I want to hear you the most.
Of course the official terms alegate that there is no manipulation of the cards dealt in online poker room tables. It actually says that (and this is only for the big poker sites) the dealing cards system is "as random as possible". Wait, is it totally random or not?
Folks, legal or not, I do believe our real experience more than "legal terms and conditions" drawn by the company lawyers. We are talking about multi milionare companies that has every resource available to circumvent the borders of legal burocarcy. Even though there is regulation, it doesn't mean they have no way of rigging and profiting by it in their softwares.
"They would loose all their players if it was rigged". No, because the players are dumb and the company too smart. "There are small poker sites that we have to worry about, but big ones like GG or PS would never do that". Really? Does that make any sense at all? Small companies get caught because they don't have the legal resources to back them up. As more money a company possess, more we have to worry, cause basically they can do whatever they want. You can say whatever you want, call me conspiratory, but in a capitalist system, this is a reality.
What grounds can we have to at least justify this allegations, if they say is not rigged? Math. Well, we are students of chance, probability, and I'm telling ya, with frequency I've seen with my own eyes some turnouts that math would disagree with.
But the insteresting thing would be to hear some software engineers, programmers, people that actually know how it is to manipulate, to PROGRAM this kind of system. Oh, the big letters are to make sure we're talking about something that can be pre-set, previously defined, architected, programmed. We are talking about something that is more than possible to be rigged within legal boundaries.
Tell us your opinion.
TY

Hi.
I don't believe that most websites are actually manipulated, but I do believe they are susceptible to manipulation by dishonest players. After all, anything man-made, and especially anything involving money, attracts the interest of dishonest people.

 

[boxwaxer]

I feel the sites are so regulated they wouldn’t risk getting shut down. They make tons of money the way it is now. The risk reward wouldn’t be worth it IMO

 

[martinoni]

I don't believe any of the sites are rigged