Endless Rakeback saga at FTP...and other sites'.

[suit2please]

So, one question...
I registered using CC, is there any way I could get rakeback without making a new account? Has anyone managed to do this?

Im guessing you mean you signed up for Full Tilt using the CardsChat affiliate link. The answer is no. As for the new account thing, well good luck wasting your time with that. Multiple accounts is against their T&C, and they will find it. Whether it be soon, or down the line when you want to cash out they will find and close that account. If I were Full Tilt I would also take back every penny of rakeback earned on the bad account before transfering the money over to your old account.

 

[Pascal-lf]

^^^ This x1000.

IMO there's no good reason to move money to Ultimatebet/Absolute Poker. Now that CC doesn't have Ultimatebet events I won't be playing there anymore. And although I have 33% RB at Absolute Poker, I still won't put any money there.

FT and PS are pretty much the only sites that get my money these days.

There is plenty of reason to move from FTP to Stars if you are grinding low stakes - you pay less rake on Stars than FTP even when you have rakeback on FTP; the only thing keeping me is the software.

 

[kmixer]

Looks like UB is about to give me another reason not to play there.

We kindly inform you that we do not offer rakeback to players. We allow our affiliates to offer it to their players.

Players registering at Ultimate Bet may be linked to an affiliate through two different means. This can be through banners or links from some of our affiliate websites, or by entering an affiliate promotional code upon registration.

Players need to delete cookies from their computers before registering an account for the proper tagging to occur.

Our records indicate that you signed directly thru us and the moment for you to be linked to the affiliate of your choice is thru initial registration.

Even if you decide to close your account and create a new one, your new account will be linked to the same referral source.

Feel free to contact us if more information is needed.

Best Regards,

Manny
Customer Support Department

 

[kmixer]

There is plenty of reason to move from FTP to Stars if you are grinding low stakes - you pay less rake on Stars than FTP even when you have rakeback on FTP; the only thing keeping me is the software.

Can you explain this further it sounds like you are saying it is better to play at PS with no RB than it is t play at FTP with? Is that right?

At least with SnG buyins I can not see how it is possible since they both charge the same. Are you talking ring game rake only?

 

[dmorris68]

There is plenty of reason to move from FTP to Stars if you are grinding low stakes - you pay less rake on Stars than FTP even when you have rakeback on FTP; the only thing keeping me is the software.

I'd have to see some numbers to believe this, unless you're talking strictly penny stakes. I play on both, and in fact think the opposite -- if you play mid-stakes or higher with a lot of volume, then yes you can do well with Stars VIP program. However at the higher micro/low stakes and low volume, FT RB will pay you more. The worst rake is going to be at the penny stakes however, where I don't play -- once you get to 25NL and higher the rake isn't quite so bad and you can definitely earn nice RB if you put in the volume. I was earning $60-$100/week RB on FT playing 50NL. Don't think Stars VIP rewards could come close to that at those limits unless you maybe played 100k hands/mo.

 

[Neoblast]

I'm not going to make any multi account I know I'd get banned for that.
meant that I might close my current account in the future and make a new one.

 

[Stu_Ungar]

I'm not going to make any multi account I know I'd get banned for that.
meant that I might close my current account in the future and make a new one.

You cant do that.

When you reopen it gets tagged back to the original affiliate.

 

[dg1267]

Yeah, the only way to get a new account is to close your old one, move to Zimbabwe, become a monk for 10+ years, change your name to "Habib Jones Michelob Budweiser III, then move all of your possessions across the street (minus your computer of course). After that, you have to light candles in a pentagram around your computer, get two hogs and slaughter one for the poker gods, and then create the new account.

P.S. The second hog you can keep for a pet.

 

[Stu_Ungar]

Yeah, the only way to get a new account is to close your old one, move to Zimbabwe, become a monk for 10+ years, change your name to "Habib Jones Michelob Budweiser III, then move all of your possessions across the street (minus your computer of course). After that, you have to light candles in a pentagram around your computer, get two hogs and slaughter one for the poker gods, and then create the new account.

Even then a few people still get caught.

 

[Pascal-lf]

Can you explain this further it sounds like you are saying it is better to play at PS with no RB than it is t play at FTP with? Is that right?

At least with SnG buyins I can not see how it is possible since they both charge the same. Are you talking ring game rake only?

Ring game microstakes, sorry for not being more clear.

 

[WVHillbilly]

Ring game microstakes, sorry for not being more clear.

Do you have a sample of hands from each site to compare the amount of rake paid, say for 1K hands at the same stakes? I know Stars does rake less than FTP on games below 25nl but I'd be surprised if it were a big enough difference to overcome getting 27% in rb at FTP. Could certainly be wrong though.

 

[PlayerPlayerAA]

I signed up a few days ago, deposited, and recieved this today, not sure why I got so lucky. In fact, there are no stats yet, I suspect this is a mirage, it couldn't have been this easy.

Congratulations.

We are delighted to inform you that you are now a RakeBackPros player and you will receive 27% rakeback on all your future play at Full Tilt Poker!

We will pay you rakeback directly into your Full Tilt Poker account every Friday. The transfer that you will receive on Fridays will account for the rakeback you have accumulated the previous week, counting from Tuesday through Monday.

You can keep track of your rakeback by logging into your RakeBackPros account at: http://www.rakebackpros.com/

Please note that it may take up to 48 hours after your account is set up for rakeback before your statistics are updated with the correct data. After the initial update is displayed on the website, your stats will be updated daily.

 

[PlayerPlayerAA]

I used an existing account

 

[Stu_Ungar]

Its obviously not linked to an affilliate

 

[kmixer]

It is ok if it is an existing account it just can;t be one that is linked to an affiliate as Stu said. Now UB really pissed me off. They said that I signed up directly with them so there is nothing they can do to give me RB.

 

[Stu_Ungar]

have you tried just completing the RB conversion form on any of the RB sites?

UB might let it go through

 

[Bovinity]

Maybe I'm missing something with the math here or how rakeback works, but what's the incentive - even with rakeback - to put money on FTP?

At the level I play at, the rake for FTP and Stars is:

FTP: 0.01/0.15 in pot.
Stars: 0.01/0.20 in pot.

Figuring the Rake per dollar-in-pot for each site and adjusting for rakeback from FTP, it seems to come out almost the same. That's not counting Stars' bonus programs at all, that's just looking at the cash game rake alone.

So they make people jump through hoops to get that rakeback just to get on a level field with a player at Stars? I don't get it. Slap me around if I'm missing something with how rakeback works, but I don't see any incentive at all to give FTP my money.

 

[Stu_Ungar]

Basically until you hit the cap on rake which dosent really start happening until 100NL rake is the equivalent of about 6bb/100

RB is about 1/3 of that so having a RB account adds 2bb/100 to your winrate.

You would not believe the amount of rake you are paying at the micros, if you play a decent amount of hands, 2K ish per day then you are paying probably the equivalent of your entire BR in rake every month.

So getting a third of it back every month is quite a big deal.

 

[WVHillbilly]

Maybe I'm missing something with the math here or how rakeback works, but what's the incentive - even with rakeback - to put money on FTP?

At the level I play at, the rake for FTP and Stars is:

FTP: 0.01/0.15 in pot.
Stars: 0.01/0.20 in pot.

Figuring the Rake per dollar-in-pot for each site and adjusting for rakeback from FTP, it seems to come out almost the same. That's not counting Stars' bonus programs at all, that's just looking at the cash game rake alone.

So they make people jump through hoops to get that rakeback just to get on a level field with a player at Stars? I don't get it. Slap me around if I'm missing something with how rakeback works, but I don't see any incentive at all to give FTP my money.

Well if anyone with even 1K hands at micro stakes at both would post rake paid we could figure it out exactly. Just figuring it out based on rake / dollar doesn't work because average pot size will likely make it a lot closer than that would suggest. In other words if the avg. post size at both sites for a 2nl game is .40 they are both raking exactly the same (.02) but FTP is giving back 27%. Hope that makes sense.

 

[Stu_Ungar]

the figure of 6bb/100 at ft is a generally accepted figure.

 

[WVHillbilly]

the figure of 6bb/100 at ft is a generally accepted figure.

It would probably be a bit more than that at anything below 25nl.

 

[Bovinity]

Hope that make sense.

It does make sense, thank you both.

I won't be home until later tonight, but I'll grab my stats off PT for my micro playing and see what I'm losing to rake at Stars and see if that helps.

 

[Stu_Ungar]

It would probably be a bit more than that at anything below 25nl.

well it might be 7bb/100 at lower stakes but it shouldn't be vastly different.

25NL isnt hitting the cap.

 

[WVHillbilly]

well it might be 7bb/100 at lower stakes but it shouldn't be vastly different.

25NL isnt hitting the cap.

Yeah, but at 25nl FTP starts raking at .01 / .20 instead of .01 / .15. At 50nl and up FTP and Stars rake structure is the same.

 

[Stu_Ungar]

Oh does it.. I didnt know that.

Regardless RB is good.. that's really all people need to know!