Endless Rakeback saga at FTP...and other sites'.

[17Fabrizio17]

It's taking part that effects MGR. So if Full Tilt contributes $200 toward the prize pool and 50 people enter everyone would get $4 deducted from their MGR.

I don't estimate such negative effect on my balance even though I play some freerolls, it seems to much penalising if this is the proportion.

 

[WVHillbilly]

I don't estimate such negative effect on my balance even though I play some freerolls, it seems to much penalising if this is the proportion.

You would lose 27% of the MGR hit so the FR described above would actually cost you $1.08. Also not all FRs have money added by FTP. Some private FRs have none or some smaller part than the entire money added fund.

 

[rozzz5]

These e-mails look really familiar. I pretty much had the same back and forth with both full tilt and RBP. They told me they I couldn't do it because i had signed up to full tilt through a different affilliate but full tilt could not tell me who that affiliate is. I was arguing with them for a while, as i had absolutely no knowledge of signing up through any affilliate. Such BS. Bottom line, still no rakeback.

 

[dmorris68]

These e-mails look really familiar. I pretty much had the same back and forth with both full tilt and RBP. They told me they I couldn't do it because i had signed up to full tilt through a different affilliate but full tilt could not tell me who that affiliate is. I was arguing with them for a while, as i had absolutely no knowledge of signing up through any affilliate. Such BS. Bottom line, still no rakeback.

You probably signed up for an affiliate without realizing it. Even if you went directly to FT's site and downloaded the software, if you had ever visited an affiliate who dropped a tracking cookie, you could have been inadvertently linked to that affiliate. Also any site referral is an affiliate referral whether you received anything from them or not. CardsChat, for example, is an affiliate, as are most poker-related sites and forums. If you ever click through one of their referral links but don't sign up, then later signup at FT directly, FT could pick up that cookie and still assign you to that affiliate.

You're not the first to be told they can't divulge your affiliate information. Apparently this is part of their affiliate agreement, And it kinda sucks they can't tell you, but I doubt they say that just because they want to limit people getting RB. They most likely do have you showing up under an affiliate, which they would be paying for your signup.

The ONLY way to get out of an affiliate connection is to NOT deposit money for 60 days after signup. After 60 days with no deposit, any affiliate link is cancelled and you could then have your account converted to a RB account through RBP. But most people who signup through affiliates deposit right away for the signup deposit bonuses plus whatever bonuses the affiliate may offer, and in doing so they forever doom themselves to no RB.

 

[17Fabrizio17]

I can't believe that you learn something new about rakeback every day.
Inevitably you end up with new doubts and questions as well.
This is the rakerace white group in which I should be listed on rakebackpros (just activated rakeback deal recently not 100% sure).

It is not clear to me what the columns represent, in particular the second one, so called "behind". While the first line should be the extra prize that will be credited by the affiliate to players accounts who earn more rakeback during the month I guess.

 

[Dwilius]

It shows how far behind the next place up on the list instead of showing everyone's total rakepaid. #24 has paid $5.32 less than #23

 

[SavagePenguin]

I found that as soon as I made a deposit at Full Tilt the rakeback payments started. Up until then I had received nothing.

I never deposited on Full Tilt and have had no trouble with rakeback. In fact, they never had my personal info until someone wanted to borrow some money from me there (you have to give them your info for money transfers to work)

Maybe you just has negative rakeback due to freerolls or money-added games?

Rakeback is awesome. I used to do all my games at PokerStars, but now that I get rakeback on FT I hardly ever go to PokerStars anymore.

 

[iriechief]

Wooohooo, Got my first rakeback payment on August 6th, just like they promised. I have been playing with monies I won through freerolls and don't seem to be negatively affected by this. Please keep this on the DL. All these posts about winning money through freerolls and it limiting the amount of money you get through rakeback has made me stop playing these.

 

[Logan2]

Hi guys.

Can someone tell me if CC buyin games in fulltilt ($200 & $100Added) are minus for rakeback?, some people tell me yes some telll me not, kind of confuse.

I think read about freerolls in this topic, but not for buyins.

 

[dmorris68]

Hi guys.

Can someone tell me if CC buyin games in fulltilt ($200 & $100Added) are minus for rakeback?, some people tell me yes some telll me not, kind of confuse.

I think read about freerolls in this topic, but not for buyins.

I won't swear to it, but there shouldn't be. Only when FT pays an overlay should you take a RB hit. For private money added games like the CC events, there should be no hit.

 

[Logan2]

Thanks Morris.

i have the understanding that if fulltilt put added money then it does charge you, but not sure if Fulltilt give that money on CC games or is CC insealf. I guess that in long term if i cash in added private games is better even if minus the rake (if compair to open games), but still not sure. Will try the Fulltilt game today and will see.

 

[dmorris68]

Nick/CC puts up the money in our private money-added events. FT does not. So there should be no hit, but again I'm not 100% sure on that. The rules get kind of fuzzy sometimes (or my memory does, take your pick).

 

[Debi]

FT does contirbute part of it so you would most likely have a hit on your rakeback.

 

[dmorris68]

FT does contirbute part of it so you would most likely have a hit on your rakeback.

Oh really? Didn't realize that. I thought private games were totally privately funded, but as I said I wasn't sure.

 

[Logan2]

Fulltilt already charge more rake for private games 50c for $1-$2-$3, they should let that free. lol

Well, i guess then i do need to cash to not affect much.

Thanks Debi. (and morris)

 

[iriechief]

Does FT take your rakeback away if you use FPP to play in satellites? Didn't get my rakeback this week. Didn't play that much but it should be a few bucks.

 

[WVHillbilly]

Yes. Anytime you use full tilt points your rakeback is effected. You lose 5 cents from your MGR for every point you use. So if you pay 100 FTPs for a tourney you lose $5 from your MGR or $1.35 from your rakeback payment.

 

[iriechief]

That seems a little harsh considering you earned the points. Still got some coin back this week, they didn't pay until Saturday. So far I am liking this. FT has a good promo right now with Quick deposit. Check it out.

 

[pcgnome]

Rakebacks on old accounts

Is it possible to get rakeback from an existing account on a poker site?
Is it possible to get rakeback by closing an old account and starting a new one,or would it be easier just to start up a new account somewhere else?
I have been earning close to 100 points a day at Full Tilt, & I think could be saving quite a bit of money if I used a rakeback account.

 

[COVID2]

yes is possible to get rakeback from an existing account, but i guess the site that provides your rakeback check some details about your existing account,and this take some days.. for example if you play frequently on the tables or if you have another accounts in the same home.. about if you close an account and start a new account you need to search a site that provides rakeback and you need create a new account on the site... GL

 

[dg1267]

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Is it possible to get rakeback from an existing account on a poker site? Yes, but not if you signed up through an affiliate.

Is it possible to get rakeback by closing an old account and starting a new one,or would it be easier just to start up a new account somewhere else?
No, you cannot do this. It's against the Terms of Service agreement and you could wind up losing both accounts.

I have been earning close to 100 points a day at Full Tilt, & I think could be saving quite a bit of money if I used a rakeback account.
Yes, you could, but not worth going against the ToS.

 

[dmorris68]

Is it possible to get rakeback from an existing account on a poker site?
Is it possible to get rakeback by closing an old account and starting a new one,or would it be easier just to start up a new account somewhere else?
I have been earning close to 100 points a day at Full Tilt, & I think could be saving quite a bit of money if I used a rakeback account.

dg gave you the quick summary, but your questions are pretty much what this entire thread is talking about. I realize it's a bit lengthy, but all the answers you seek are discussed in great detail within.

 

[ThunderPT]

People have been telling it's not possible to close accounts and whoever signed through an affiliate is stuck for life and can't get rakeback ever. But has anyone here actually tried to close an account? I've heard somewhere a case of one guy who emailed the site (not FT, I think) asking to close the account claiming it was bad luck and the site did close it and allowed him to create another one.

For those who can't get rakeback, it wouldn't hurt trying.

 

[dmorris68]

People have been telling it's not possible to close accounts and whoever signed through an affiliate is stuck for life and can't get rakeback ever. But has anyone here actually tried to close an account? I've heard somewhere a case of one guy who emailed the site (not FT, I think) asking to close the account claiming it was bad luck and the site did close it and allowed him to create another one.

For those who can't get rakeback, it wouldn't hurt trying.

No, it won't happen. There have been reports of very rare and specific circumstances -- like there being some risk of personal safety or some other extraordinary circumstances -- where players were allowed to open another account or change their identity.

Yes, they *will* close your account upon request, but also clearly state that once you do, you can never again play on the site.

In the early days of online poker, sites were more lenient about multi-accounting and creating new accounts to get better rakeback deals. Today, it's a different story. Sites now would never allow a player to create another account for any mundane reason, particularly to break an affiliate connection. To do so would open themselves up to legal liability under their affiliate contracts, not to mention create an opportunity to players to angle-shoot by changing their identity. This is why there was so much controversy and publicity over Brian Hastings and Stoxtrader playing under different accounts. Cake is unique in that they allow you to frequently (once per week, I think) change your user name, for the very reason they don't believe in tracking players.

 

[dan abnormal]

I feel into the same problem, event hough I doubt I generate any rake back yet. But I finally tried true online poker (not Facebook zynga) watching a full tilt show and signed up with FT and few other sites with no affilations so no chance of geting rake back as I got the same message the 1st poster mentioned.