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Does anyone play All-In or Fold on GG Poker? Does anyone have a larger sample size? Is it possible to play profitably?

I don’t think it’s possible to play profitably without the jackpot. I see a couple of regulars who I think play at 10–20 tables; they take most of the jackpots—sometimes two in a day—but I don’t know how many hands they play in a day.

A couple of regulars talk about averaging 10,000–15,000 hands before hitting the jackpot; I haven’t hit one in 32,000 hands, and I’m actually pretty far in the red.
 
You're spot on—AoF on GGPoker is virtually impossible to beat on pure table play alone because the rake is way too high relative to the 8bb stack sizes.
The mass-tabling regulars running 10–20 tables aren't making money from standard play; their profit comes down to three things:
* Daily AoF Leaderboards (this is where most of the actual EV lives)
* Fish Buffet Rakeback generated from high volume
* The Jackpot (pure variance)
Going 32,000 hands without hitting a jackpot is brutal, but unfortunately standard variance given the odds of hitting straight flushes or royals. If you aren't grinding massive volume to consistently cash near the top of the daily leaderboards, AoF is basically a rake trap.
 
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In addition to the above there is also not much variation or development in playing push/fold poker with a 10BB stack for hours on end. In SnGs at least you have to adjust to different stack sizes and ICM, but in a game like this its just to memorize some charts and then put on repeat. As poker players I think, we should vote with our vallet and support good game formats, and this is certainly not one of them.
 
From what I’ve seen and heard, profitability in this format is almost entirely tied to jackpot distribution. If you’re unlucky and go tens of thousands of hands without hitting one, you’ll be deep in the red even if your decisions are solid. Conversely, a couple of jackpots can swing you back into profit.

So yes, it’s technically possible to play profitably, but only if you’re prepared for massive variance and can handle the grind. For most players, it feels more like gambling than poker strategy, since the edge is so dependent on hitting those rare payouts. If you’re looking for consistent,skill-based profit, traditional cash games or tournaments are a much healthier grind.
 
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From what I've seen, the jackpot is a huge part of the format. Without hitting one, it's very difficult to show a meaningful profit because the rake is high and the edges between regulars are fairly small.

The regs who grind 10–20 tables are usually relying on massive volume, strong preflop strategy, rakeback, and the occasional jackpot to make the format worthwhile. Going 32,000 hands without a jackpot is definitely on the unlucky side, but I wouldn't judge the format based on one run alone.

I'd be interested to hear from someone with a few hundred thousand hands, because that's probably where you start getting a much clearer picture of the true profitability.
 
koalapanda said:
Tökéletesen igazad van – a GGPokeren az AoF-et gyakorlatilag lehetetlen legyőzni pusztán asztali játékkal, mivel a rake túl magas a 8bb-s stackmérethez képest.
A tömegesen asztalozó, 10-20 asztalt üzemeltető játékosok nem a hagyományos játékból keresnek pénzt; a profitjuk három dologra vezethető vissza:
* Napi AoF ranglisták (itt található a legtöbb tényleges EV)
* Fish Buffet Rakeback nagy volumenből származik

* A főnyeremény (tiszta variancia)
32 000 leosztást végigjátszani jackpot nélkül brutális, de sajnos ez a standard variancia, tekintve a színsorok vagy királyok elérésének esélyét. Ha nem hatalmas nyereményekkel foglalkozol folyamatosan a napi ranglisták élén, az AoF gyakorlatilag egy rake csapda.
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Yeah, I see it that way too

I'm never going to finish at the top of the leaderboards — I can't play that much. The results at the top are crazy; maybe robots do them🙂

As for the pot that sometimes falls apart, I managed to get the second smallest in a hand under 40 thousand. Interestingly, regular players also beat it.

I'm already at 36,000 hands without a jackpot — I don't even understand why I'm playing. Losses are just piling up and no jackpot helps anymore, even though I've since talked to a few other players who have a $100,000 jackpot, and they're also talking about an average of 10,000 hands.

I had an interesting conversation where one of my regulars suggested that maybe I would never reach,
 
fundiver199 said:
A fentieken túl nincs sok variáció vagy fejlődés abban, ha órákon át 10BB zsetonnal push/fold pókert játszunk. Az SnG-kben legalább alkalmazkodni kell a különböző stackméretekhez és ICM-hez, de egy ilyen játékban csak néhány táblázatot kell megjegyezni, majd ismételni. Pókerjátékosként azt hiszem, a szolgáinkkal kellene szavaznunk, és támogatnunk a jó játékformátumokat, és ez biztosan nem tartozik közéjük.
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Yes it's really just a game of chance, the positions are important I try to ignore how wide he attacks from outside positions but somehow I run very badly my card doesn't hold up either
 
Nameless14 said:
Amit láttam, a jackpot hatalmas része a formátumnak. Ha nem sikerül, nagyon nehéz érdemi profitot felmutatni, mivel a rake magas, és a rendszeres játékosok közötti különbségek meglehetősen kicsik.

Azok a reguláris játékosok, akik 10-20 asztalon játszanak, általában a hatalmas forgalmakra, az erős preflop stratégiára, a rakebackre és az alkalmankénti jackpotra támaszkodnak, hogy megérje a formátumot. 32 000 leosztást végigjátszani jackpot nélkül mindenképpen balszerencsés, de nem ítélném meg a formátumot pusztán egy menet alapján.

Kíváncsi lennék egy olyan ember véleményére, akinek pár százezer keze van, mert valószínűleg ott kezd sokkal tisztább képet kapni a valódi jövedelmezőségről.
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I would also be curious about the experience of people who have played more than 100,000 hands.
 
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