hey, i'm 9k. #3

Ducky7 · Feb 28, 2013

WVHillbilly said:
But we have to assume that he's not a reg since we have no stats on him right? And a fish can show up with some random hand here because he was waiting for us to show weakness and take it away. Plus we only need to be good about 35% or so and we surely get that imo.

Ye you are probably right, some fish are lol passive and x/b Ax here but ye i reckon your reasoning is good

Matt Vaughan · Feb 28, 2013

AlwaysPlanAhe said:
Combat this by 4bet/stacking with a wider value range.

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/preflop-stacking-ranges-219022/

I'd suggest 88+, AJs+, AQo+. Then call the 3bet with a range that plays well against the rest of the 21%. Any broadway imo, don't setmine and I would probably avoid 6betting 3 high!!

Psh, NOT 6betting 3 high.

In all seriousness though, thanks for the linkage.

OMGITSOVER9K · Feb 28, 2013

are we assuming because he's 3betting wide he's 5betting a range similar?

6betting the nut low is the nuts imo

update btw: no uni really for 2 weeks so more grind and more trolling!

pocketehs · Feb 28, 2013

OMGITSOVER9K said:
are we assuming because he's 3betting wide he's 5betting a range similar?

6betting the nut low is the nuts imo

update btw: no uni really for 2 weeks so more grind and more trolling!

family multi-week?!

in btw!

hackmeplz · Feb 28, 2013

#2's close either way w/e but #1 flat >>>> 3b pre.

OMGITSOVER9K · Mar 1, 2013

anyone for sweats?

Matt Vaughan · Mar 1, 2013

Wish I'd seen this earlier?

But maybe in a bit if you're up.

OMGITSOVER9K · Mar 1, 2013

played 1500 hands just now, little bit annoyed so think i'm gonna take a break and come back in an hour or 2.

vs an 8/6 over 100 hands.. what do you do on each street? (pre as well)

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $99.49
CO: $75.64
BTN: $50.00
Hero (SB): $67.44
BB: $57.75
UTG: $93.74

Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has Q:diamond: Q:spade:

UTG raises to $1.50, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $1.25, fold

Flop: ($3.50, 2 players) 6:diamond: Q:heart: K:club:
Hero bets $2.00, UTG raises to $5.50, Hero calls $3.50

Turn: ($14.50, 2 players) A:club:
Hero checks, UTG bets $7.00, Hero calls $7.00

River: ($28.50, 2 players) 7:diamond:
Hero checks, UTG bets $18.50, Hero calls $18.50

WVHillbilly · Mar 1, 2013

Pre is fine but 3bet the flop and just get it in on the turn.

dj11 · Mar 1, 2013

vs an 8/6 ? Well, he either has AA or KK which reduces you to a 'eh' hand. You're damned if you do, and damned if you don't. I would BTW.

hackmeplz · Mar 1, 2013

Not a huge fan of the donk in the first place against an 8/6.

WVHillbilly · Mar 1, 2013

dj11 said:
vs an 8/6 ? Well, he either has AA or KK which reduces you to a 'eh' hand. Your damned if you do, and damned if you don't. I would BTW.

He also has AK so we actually crush his flop range and we're still ahead of even KK+/AK on the turn. Not so "eh" imo.

OMGITSOVER9K · Mar 1, 2013

WVHillbilly said:
He also has AK so we actually crush his flop range and we're still ahead of even KK+/AK on the turn. Not so "eh" imo.

this was my reason for donking, I wasn't sure if he'd stack AA/AK on the flop though and he bet bet bets most brick turns + rivers anyway so making the pot bigger and giving him the lead made sense in my head.

x/ring might be better? seems really strong though.

hackmeplz · Mar 1, 2013

He's betting AK almost always on that flop right? That's why I'm not a huge fan of donking.

youregoodmate · Mar 1, 2013

I think its close though, a nit like that is likely to check a street with AA/AK assuming the turn doesnt hit him, if we lead we're more in control of getting 3 streets.

WVHillbilly · Mar 1, 2013

youregoodmate said:
I think its close though, a nit like that is likely to check a street with AA/AK assuming the turn doesnt hit him, if we lead we're more in control of getting 3 streets.

If we're leading it should be with the intention of 3betting when raised imo.

youregoodmate · Mar 1, 2013

WVHillbilly said:
If we're leading it should be with the intention of 3betting when raised imo.

Yeah I would be taking that for granted

OMGITSOVER9K · Mar 1, 2013

WVHillbilly said:
If we're leading it should be with the intention of 3betting when raised imo.

yeah bet 3bet gii seems a lot better, yeah he's always betting but if we x/r we give him a chance to fold since our line looks so strong.

bet 3bet gii is prob better if we stack flop, which we should be doing tbh.

JOEBOB69 · Mar 1, 2013

#campbell

OMGITSOVER9K · Mar 1, 2013

imo new rule, everyone that posts in my thread has to have a pointless hashtag after

#ballingthatfiddynl

youregoodmate · Mar 1, 2013

im not sure

#notsureifilikethishashtagthing

Matt Vaughan · Mar 1, 2013

WVHillbilly said:
He also has AK so we actually crush his flop range and we're still ahead of even KK+/AK on the turn. Not so "eh" imo.

How are we ahead of KK+ on the turn??

Blobweird123 · Mar 1, 2013

Scourrge said:
How are we ahead of KK+ on the turn??

Was verrry curious to this as well. Unless he meant villain has Kx and therefore his best hand is KK with one being on the board?

hackmeplz · Mar 2, 2013

The sick part (and the reason I dislike lead again) is that if he raises our donk I don't think we can profitably get it in at all. Is he raising AK? Honestly the only good reason I can see to donk is so we can fold to a raise since he's only raising KK+ lol

youregoodmate · Mar 2, 2013

hackmeplz said:
The sick part (and the reason I dislike lead again) is that if he raises our donk I don't think we can profitably get it in at all. Is he raising AK? Honestly the only good reason I can see to donk is so we can fold to a raise since he's only raising KK+ lol

Thats a good point, would this not make it better to lead then? I mean I know we've flopped 2nd set but against the nits range are we ever taking stacks unless he has AK and we get 3 big barrels?

x/ring flop we lose value from AK further down the line imo, and we still get stacked by KK and fold out TT-JJ/AQ. The only hand I see an advantage to doing it is against AA.

I fear the nit will check back the turn with AK so often (assuming a random turn) that it puts me off x/cing.

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