hey, i'm 9k. #3

I didnt say once? its happened a few times, i was wrong thinking about it but its happened a few times

hackmeplz said:

meh I literally did the math 2 posts above. Obviously it's possible but it's extremely unlikely. Also I almost am never getting in QQ pre in those positions unless you're running insane. Like even against a 28/25 reg I'm flatting pre. It's not that I don't think I can profitably get it in pre it's that I think it's going to just be higher ev flatting than 3-betting in general.

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Ducky7 said:

After i posted that ^^ i was thinking about it and pretty much thought the same thing, just gna see AK a whole bunch then AA/KK occasionally. So ye you probably right hurts to flat QQ pre though

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Scourrge said:

*facepalm*
Saying it's happened ONLY once before should illustrate the point nicely lol

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You guys are ruining my game! Here the constant I have been dealing with over the years is my general lack of enough aggression to be effective, and you up and change the message!

dj11 said:

You guys are ruining my game! Here the constant I have been dealing with over the years is my general lack of enough aggression to be effective, and you up and change the message!

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Situational aggression

Ducky7 said:

Situational aggression

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This x 1,000,000

either I got owned or out-levelled myself?

disclaimer: this is no-where near my standard play (before WV comes) it just makes no sense for him to raise a value hand here imo? any decent/av reg flats 2 streets shoves river since normal regs will b/f some overpairs and air OTF..

and random bad regs raise here with AQ for weird reasons..

but then does he ever trip without the nuts?

also did this on another table at the exact same time vs me:

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has Qh Ac

fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, fold, fold

Flop: ($3.75, 2 players) Th 6c 8d
Hero bets $2.00, BTN calls $2.00

Turn: ($7.75, 2 players) 9d
Hero bets $4.50, BTN calls $4.50

River: ($16.75, 2 players) 3d
Hero bets $10.00, BTN raises to $20.00, fold

BTN wins $35.10

PokerStars - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: €65.02
Hero (UTG): €58.72
MP: €65.10
CO: €50.00
BTN: €19.93
SB: €98.25

SB posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has 5:diamond: 5:club:

Hero raises to €1.50, MP calls €1.50, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (€3.75, 2 players) T:diamond: 7:heart: T:club:
Hero bets €2.00, MP raises to €7.00, Hero calls €5.00

Turn: (€17.75, 2 players) 3:heart:
Hero checks, MP bets €12.50, Hero calls €12.50

River: (€42.75, 2 players) 2:diamond:
Hero checks, MP bets €44.10 and is all-in, Hero calls €37.72 and is all-in

and another hand if that first spew wasn't enough to keep you happy

best line to take on turn vs reg that knows we have a lot of air + FD's OTF?

PokerStars - $0.50 PL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $62.87
MP+1: $50.00
CO: $64.47
BTN: $50.00
SB: $60.58
Hero (BB): $55.14
UTG: $51.84
UTG+1: $50.00

SB posts SB $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 9:spade: J:spade:

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $1.25, fold, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.75, 2 players) 6:club: 2:spade: 6:spade:
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.00, Hero raises to $6.00, BTN calls $4.00

Turn: ($14.75, 2 players) 7:club:
Hero checks, BTN bets $7.00,

Hero? (also we can barrel turn as an option in this as played)

i prefer check call J9s there on the flop and if i bet 55 in that hand i would just fold to the raise, you ain't gonna make all the money trying to bluff catch there and if a 7 comes youre done in also

You keep spewing, and we'll be calling you 8k.....

Whether you c/r or donk the J9 hand I'm guessing villain will be putting you on almost the same range so barrel is the cheaper rep. Nowt wrong with a large overbet semi-bluff on the turn to rep the 6 if you miss the flush. B/f the fives.

EDIT - It feels weak but I probably just c/f the AQ hand. T86 hits muggins' range on the button quite hard and the 9 on the turn makes your ace high even more ugly.

dj11 said:

You keep spewing, and we'll be calling you 8k.....

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yeah gonna stop trying to improve for a while and go back to my usual strat which used to crush tbh.

also gonna play more FR tables, be ready for some FR spots guys!

OMGITSOVER9K said:

yeah gonna stop trying to improve for a while and go back to my usual strat which used to crush tbh.

also gonna play more FR tables, be ready for some FR spots guys!

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why start playing fr??

Jackle43 said:

why start playing fr??

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He's hating life atm, clearly.

6 max over the short term is really swingy + with my FR background I don't have the redline to do that well in 6max.

since FR games never stack pre except AA vs KK super rarely, all my moneys made postflop which means there's less swings for me which is nice.

+ FR regs fold A LOT to aggression compared to 6m regs.

also: imo I need to amp up the aggression in 6max games, gonna be posting a few line checks for bluffs in the next couple of days hopefully.

OMGITSOVER9K said:

6 max over the short term is really swingy + with my FR background I don't have the redline to do that well in 6max.

since FR games never stack pre except AA vs KK super rarely, all my moneys made postflop which means there's less swings for me which is nice.

+ FR regs fold A LOT to aggression compared to 6m regs.

also: imo I need to amp up the aggression in 6max games, gonna be posting a few line checks for bluffs in the next couple of days hopefully.

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you will have to 100 table to stay interested?

You really took my red line comment to heart there didn't you. Maybe I shouldn't have said anything. Heh.

I don't want to be indirectly responsible for anyone spewing off days or even weeks worth of hard won profits.

nah, its always been something I've needed to work on.. I just never really got round to it when working on other stuff + laziness of getting volume in.

OMGITSOVER9K said:

6 max over the short term is really swingy + with my FR background I don't have the redline to do that well in 6max.

since FR games never stack pre except AA vs KK super rarely, all my moneys made postflop which means there's less swings for me which is nice.

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Interesting

OMGITSOVER9K said:

and another hand if that first spew wasn't enough to keep you happy

best line to take on turn vs reg that knows we have a lot of air + FD's OTF?

PokerStars - $0.50 PL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $62.87
MP+1: $50.00
CO: $64.47
BTN: $50.00
SB: $60.58
Hero (BB): $55.14
UTG: $51.84
UTG+1: $50.00

SB posts SB $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 9<font color='black'>♠</font> J<font color='black'>♠</font>

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $1.25, fold, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.75, 2 players) 6<font color='black'>♣</font> 2<font color='black'>♠</font> 6<font color='black'>♠</font>
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.00, Hero raises to $6.00, BTN calls $4.00

Turn: ($14.75, 2 players) 7<font color='black'>♣</font>
Hero checks, BTN bets $7.00,

Hero? (also we can barrel turn as an option in this as played)

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Meh - I'm not a fan of calling OOP here.

I prefer flat calling flop and as you only ever really rep a flush draw when you raise here.

I'd go into x/c mode on turn, don't see the point in raising - he's always folding out everything you beat and shoving hands you're crushed by. It also allows him a chance to either hit a pair on the river or bluff a good river. Ax/Kx/Qx etc. Either way, I think you get more value just x/c turns as opposed to raising.

you're acting as if we have showdown equity with J high.

yeah he shoves all the hands that crush us but we're not calling off OTF and his range is so much more air compared to actual hands OTF.

I prefer x/c with the NFD here since A high will also be good a lot and he'll barrel A turns + rivers sometimes.

lollol.......ignore my comment.

I misread the turn..I thought it was a 7s...

Damn - I wish these hand converters converted into 4 color decks!

I still x/c flop and if you have a reg who knows you have a lot of air+ flush draws, then I just x/f the turn doesn't make any sense to do anything else.

so much tilt.

PokerStars - £0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: £87.05
CO: £25.00
BTN: £28.78
SB: £28.35
BB: £29.53
Hero (UTG): £42.59

SB posts SB £0.10, BB posts BB £0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: £0.35) Hero has Q:diamond: T:diamond:

Hero raises to £0.75, MP calls £0.75, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (£1.85, 2 players) K:diamond: Q:heart: T:heart:
Hero bets £1.25, MP raises to £3.25, Hero raises to £11.50, MP raises to £86.30 and is all-in, Hero calls £30.34 and is all-in

Turn: (£85.53, 2 players) 9:diamond:

River: (£85.53, 2 players) 9:heart:

Hero shows Q:diamond: T:diamond: (Two Pair, Queens and Tens) (Pre 40%, Flop 22%, Turn 30%)
MP shows A:spade: J:spade: (Straight, Ace High) (Pre 60%, Flop 78%, Turn 70%)
MP wins £84.28

PokerStars - £0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: £25.00
CO: £52.70
BTN: £11.32
Hero (SB): £26.00
BB: £27.49
UTG: £25.00

Hero posts SB £0.10, BB posts BB £0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: £0.35) Hero has 9:heart: 9:club:

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to £0.75, BB raises to £2.24, Hero raises to £5.75, BB raises to £27.49 and is all-in, Hero calls £20.25 and is all-in

Flop: (£52.00, 2 players) K:club: T:spade: 2:heart:

Turn: (£52.00, 2 players) 6:heart:

River: (£52.00, 2 players) J:club:

Hero shows 9:heart: 9:club: (One Pair, Nines) (Pre 55%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
BB shows A:club: K:heart: (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 45%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
BB wins £50.75

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $19.72
MP: $25.35
CO: $85.11
Hero (BTN): $25.00
SB: $25.00
BB: $31.48

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has Q:club: K:diamond:

fold, fold, CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.00, fold, fold, CO raises to $3.00, Hero calls $2.00

Flop: ($6.35, 2 players) 7:spade: 6:diamond: K:heart:
CO bets $9.00, Hero raises to $22.00 and is all-in, CO calls $13.00

Turn: ($50.35, 2 players) 9:heart:

River: ($50.35, 2 players) J:spade:

CO shows A:diamond: A:spade: (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 87%, Flop 82%, Turn 89%)
Hero shows Q:club: K:diamond: (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 13%, Flop 18%, Turn 11%)
CO wins $48.35

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $19.72
CO: $25.35
BTN: $68.95
Hero (SB): $25.00
BB: $25.00
UTG: $31.48

Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has Q:club: T:heart:

fold, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.00, fold, BTN calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.25, 2 players) A:club: J:club: 2:club:
Hero bets $1.25, BTN calls $1.25

Turn: ($4.75, 2 players) 8:club:
Hero checks, BTN bets $3.25, Hero calls $3.25

River: ($11.25, 2 players) 5:club:
Hero bets $6.00, BTN raises to $12.00, Hero calls $6.00

BTN shows 7:club: K:club: (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 58%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
Hero mucks Q:club: T:heart: (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 42%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
BTN wins $33.66

PokerStars - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $25.22
BTN: $9.65
SB: $4.05
BB: $26.17
UTG: $27.19
UTG+1: $27.48
Hero (MP): $25.00

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A:diamond: T:diamond:

fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.25, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.85, 2 players) J:diamond: 6:diamond: 6:spade:
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $2.50, UTG+1 calls $2.50

Turn: ($9.85, 2 players) Q:heart:
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $5.00, UTG+1 calls $5.00

River: ($19.85, 2 players) 4:diamond:
UTG+1 bets $5.80, Hero calls $5.80

UTG+1 shows Q:club: Q:spade: (Full House, Queens full of Sixes) (Pre 67%, Flop 60%, Turn 100%)
Hero mucks A:diamond: T:diamond: (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 33%, Flop 40%, Turn 0%)
UTG+1 wins $30.03

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $37.75
SB: $11.11
BB: $10.00
UTG: $25.00
Hero (MP): $25.92
CO: $25.33

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 2:diamond: 2:heart:

fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, fold, SB calls $0.65, fold

Flop: ($1.75, 2 players) 2:spade: 4:club: 6:heart:
SB checks, Hero bets $1.00, SB calls $1.00

Turn: ($3.75, 2 players) 6:spade:
SB bets $9.36 and is all-in, Hero calls $9.36

River: ($22.47, 2 players) 6:diamond:

SB shows A:diamond: 4:diamond: (Full House, Sixes full of Fours) (Pre 50%, Flop 3%, Turn 9%)
Hero shows 2:diamond: 2:heart: (Full House, Sixes full of Twos) (Pre 50%, Flop 97%, Turn 91%)
SB wins $21.46

ramdeebam said:

lollol.......ignore my comment.

I misread the turn..I thought it was a 7s...

Damn - I wish these hand converters converted into 4 color decks!

I still x/c flop and if you have a reg who knows you have a lot of air+ flush draws, then I just x/f the turn doesn't make any sense to do anything else.

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x/f turn after you've x/c flop?

x/c flop is good x/c turn is good imo

wtf at FR regs? anyway I got a spot for you lot, and yay its red line spew!

villains a 20/17 over 200ish hands.. nothing else is really converged.

flop bet is standard, turn bet was repping Ax going for thin value figured it'd get more folds + more FE on rivers with more money behind.

after I get raised my thinking was that he never has a hand here? a 3 makes no sense, Ax is super unlikely and imo can't call a shove here unless its AK which normally folds flop anyway.. and even if he does have AK we have equity when called.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+2: $32.49
MP: $25.49
MP+1: $33.49
CO: $9.65
BTN: $26.50
Hero (SB): $70.55
BB: $27.70
UTG: $21.37
UTG+1: $9.65

Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 5:heart: 6:heart:

fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to $0.75, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2.50, fold, MP+1 calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.25, 2 players) 4:spade: 2:diamond: 5:club:
Hero bets $3.00, MP+1 calls $3.00

Turn: ($11.25, 2 players) A:club:
Hero bets $4.00, MP+1 raises to $10.00, Hero raises to $40.75, MP+1 calls $17.99 and is all-in

River: ($67.23, 2 players) Q:club:

Hero shows 5:heart: 6:heart: (One Pair, Fives) (Pre 47%, Flop 62%, Turn 7%)
MP+1 shows 3:spade: 7:spade: (Straight, Five High) (Pre 53%, Flop 38%, Turn 93%)
MP+1 wins $65.23

when I win a spot where I have 60% equity or more I'll be so happy.

#whenwillitend

Fold pre, not even debatable.

thought I'd play zoom for half an hour.. BR's under 1k now.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $25.00
SB: $31.92
BB: $41.41
Hero (UTG): $31.35
MP: $18.64
CO: $25.35

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 5:diamond: 5:spade:

Hero raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, fold, BTN calls $0.75, fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($3.10, 4 players) 5:heart: 4:club: 7:diamond:
BB checks, Hero checks, MP bets $1.00, fold, BB calls $1.00, Hero raises to $4.00, fold, BB raises to $10.00, Hero raises to $30.60 and is all-in, BB calls $20.60

Turn: ($65.30, 2 players) 2:club:

River: ($65.30, 2 players) 6:spade:

BB shows 6:club: 8:club: (Straight, Eight High) (Pre 49%, Flop 65%, Turn 77%)
Hero shows 5:diamond: 5:spade: (Three of a Kind, Fives) (Pre 51%, Flop 35%, Turn 23%)
BB wins $63.30

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $27.26
SB: $25.85
BB: $18.45
UTG: $34.18
MP: $36.67
Hero (CO): $44.19

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has K:heart: K:diamond:

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, BTN raises to $2.60, fold, fold, Hero raises to $5.50, BTN raises to $27.26 and is all-in, Hero calls $21.76

Flop: ($54.87, 2 players) 5:heart: Q:heart: 2:club:

Turn: ($54.87, 2 players) T:diamond:

River: ($54.87, 2 players) T:heart:

Hero shows K:heart: K:diamond: (Two Pair, Kings and Tens) (Pre 18%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%)
BTN shows A:diamond: A:spade: (Two Pair, Aces and Tens) (Pre 82%, Flop 87%, Turn 95%)
BTN wins $52.87

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $25.00
SB: $14.00
BB: $25.00
UTG: $24.36
MP: $25.47
CO: $55.84

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 8:club: 7:club:

UTG raises to $0.75, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2.25, fold, fold, UTG calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.85, 2 players) T:club: 9:spade: J:club:
UTG checks, Hero bets $3.00, UTG raises to $6.00, Hero raises to $14.00, UTG raises to $22.11 and is all-in, Hero calls $8.11

Turn: ($49.07, 2 players) 4:diamond:

River: ($49.07, 2 players) 4:heart:

UTG shows Q:diamond: K:spade: (Straight, King High) (Pre 60%, Flop 63%, Turn 80%)
Hero shows 8:club: 7:club: (Straight, Jack High) (Pre 40%, Flop 37%, Turn 20%)
UTG wins $47.07

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $13.25
SB: $32.82
Hero (BB): $39.41
UTG: $24.40
MP: $41.07
CO: $15.00

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has Q:heart: Q:diamond:

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.50, BTN raises to $1.60, fold, Hero raises to $4.00, fold, BTN raises to $13.25 and is all-in, Hero calls $9.25

Flop: ($27.10, 2 players) 5:heart: 6:diamond: 5:club:

Turn: ($27.10, 2 players) 9:spade:

River: ($27.10, 2 players) 8:heart:

Hero shows Q:heart: Q:diamond: (Two Pair, Queens and Fives) (Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
BTN shows K:spade: K:diamond: (Two Pair, Kings and Fives) (Pre 82%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
BTN wins $25.88