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Wow. 42.3% FT3B seems low. Are you looking at your overall ft3b or preflop?

I think my ft3b for FR is around 70% but maybe I'm mixing up the stat. I'll check this evening.
 
Tyler69 said:
So after reading Riley's post, he gave a standard opening range for 6-max that is listed below

UTG: 22+, A2s-AKs, AKo, AQo, JTs-KQs

UTG+1: 22+, A2s-AKs, AJo-AKo, 45s-KQs, Q10s, KJs

CO: 22+, A2s-AKs, A2o-AKo, 23s-KQs, 75s-KJs, 54o-KQo, KJo

BTN: 22+, A2s-AKs, A2o-AKo, 23s-KQs, 53s-KJs, 54o-KQo, 75o-KJo, and any other
hands such as Q9s, K10s, etc.

I'm trying to get a basic opening range before I start to play 6-max for the first time. I noticed a post by ChuckTs saying that this range is a little loose for opening pre for players starting out. What do you guys think?

That is loose imo,

My hand chart fwiw, I feel very comfortable playing this range and i'm happy with it.

orangepeeleo said:
6max (Taken from fee's guide)

UTG - 22+ ATs+ AJo+ 98s+ KQo/s KJs+

MP - 22+ A9s+ ATo+ 98s+ KQo/KJo/KQs/KJs/KTs

CO - 22+ A5s+ A9o+ 65s+ JTo+ QTo+ KTo/K9s T8s+ Q9s+

BTN - 22+ A8o+ K9o Q9o+ J9o+ 98o+ 54s+ 64s+ 96s+ T6s+ K8s+ A2s+
 
WVHillbilly said:
Wow. 42.3% FT3B seems low. Are you looking at your overall ft3b or preflop?

I think my ft3b for FR is around 70% but maybe I'm mixing up the stat. I'll check this evening.

I fold to a 3b 80%+. the problem is once you flat a 3bet with a medium pocket pair how do you play postflop? Against an aggrotard you can flat hands like 99+ and ship it on flops without an A but for the most part you will have to fold to a c-bet if an overcard hits and if you flat dominated broadways you can be in even worse shape if you flop a pair.

These are the ways to counter 3betting;

  1. find softer tables
  2. tighten up so you're not playing medium strength hands OOP.
  3. 4bet bluff some of the time and widen your 4bet value range. If villain has a 3bet pct of 3% QQ has 47% equity so you can 4bet here with the dead money in the pot and be +EV. If villain 3bets wider you can 4bet wider to start including JJ, possibly TT and against very loose opponents AQo.
  4. do more 3betting yourself. Beiing OOP sucks and you shouldn't play a range that requires you to fold or play weak hands OOP so punish players who do by 3betting more. At uNL don't try too much 3bet bluffing, though. My standard 3b range is TT+ AQs+ AKo which is exactly my EP range so as you can see I am playing a strong range when I am most likely to be OOP on the flop. That is why I crush souls OOP.
 
thanks dogmeat and orange. I started reading ryan fee's guide last night and i love it! only got through half before i crashed but after class today ill pick it up again. I def like his opening range alot better and will use that as my foundation when i start my first session tonight.

One thing i found interesting when i skimmed the last part of his guide was when he was talking about multitabling and how after playing maybe 6+ tables our decisions turn robotic and can't really improve as poker players. He recommends transitioning to 4 tables which could take some time getting used to and hopefully won't get bored 🙂
 
WVHillbilly said:
Wow. 42.3% FT3B seems low. Are you looking at your overall ft3b or preflop?

I think my ft3b for FR is around 70% but maybe I'm mixing up the stat. I'll check this evening.
Might be a 6max thing or might be a play bad thing not sure.
My ft3b is 58%
My 4bet is 1.8 which seems low for 6 max.Maybe i'm flatting with KK,QQ,AA to trap some times i'll look in to this aswell.
 
My Ft3b is actually 77%.
My preflop 4bet is 12% (think this is probably REALLY high).
 
WVHillbilly said:
My Ft3b is actually 77%.
My preflop 4bet is 12% (think this is probably REALLY high).

Haha it does seem pretty high.

At 5nl I'm:

3betting 4.4%
Calling 3bets 4.5%
4-betting 1.6%.

[ ] Fancy plays.
 
LuckyChippy said:
At 5nl I'm:

3betting 4.4%
Calling 3bets 4.5%
4-betting 1.6%.

[ ] Fancy plays.

Fold to 3bet 82.01
3betting 4.81
Calling 3bets 11.27 😱
4-betting 7.43
 
Lol why is my 4bet so low? I assume fx never 4bet bluffs (not 6% anyway). Is it a HEM vs PT3 thing in the way they work out the stat?
 
Maybe. Both fx and I do use PT3.

I have some old hands in HEM so I'll check.

What stat are you looking at in HEM? I see something called 4bet range is that it?
 
WVHillbilly said:
Maybe. Both fx and I do use PT3.

I have some old hands in HEM so I'll check.

What stat are you looking at in HEM? I see something called 4bet range is that it?

Yeah that's the one, it comes next to vs 3bet call % in standard reports.
 
LuckyChippy said:
Yeah that's the one, it comes next to vs 3bet call % in standard reports.

Well that stat for me over the 180K hands I have in HEM is 3.5 so we're definitely talking about different numbers between PT3 and HEM.
 
It's very likely to be that in PT3 it's purely the times you 4-bet after you have been 3-bet. In HEM it's been converted into a range.
 
WVHillbilly said:
Maybe. Both fx and I do use PT3.

I have some old hands in HEM so I'll check.

What stat are you looking at in HEM? I see something called 4bet range is that it?

This may sound stupid but your 4bet pct is the percentage of hands you re-raise after being 3bet?

also I was really surprised at the percentage of hands I call a 3bet. I checked and I am actually a winner doing it. This may be that when I am getting 3bet I am usually OOP and when I am OOP I generally have AA suited or something and thus am crushing souls with my awesome command of OOP play!!!😀
 
fx20736 said:
This may sound stupid but your 4bet pct is the percentage of hands you re-raise after being 3bet?

also I was really surprised at the percentage of hands I call a 3bet. I checked and I am actually a winner doing it. This may be that when I am getting 3bet I am usually OOP and when I am OOP I generally have AA suited or something and thus am crushing souls with my awesome command of OOP play!!!😀

lols
 
fx20736 said:
This may sound stupid but your 4bet pct is the percentage of hands you re-raise after being 3bet?

also I was really surprised at the percentage of hands I call a 3bet. I checked and I am actually a winner doing it. This may be that when I am getting 3bet I am usually OOP and when I am OOP I generally have AA suited or something and thus am crushing souls with my awesome command of OOP play!!!😀

Sounds like a pretty baller hand.
 
HEM has '4bet range' and 'Raise 3bet'.

Raise 3Bet
Player must open the betting action then be the one to 4-bet (raise a 3bet).

4Bet Range
Total PFR multiplied by Total 4bet %.. The thing to keep in mind is that most 4bet situations will involve later positions and PFR and 4bet % will be higher from late position than the overall PFR and 4bet would be.

If you need to know what stats mean in HEM you can find them here - http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questions/388/Stats+Definition+for+Report+TAB
 
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