LuckyChippy said:
-29.52 BB/100
When I fold to a 3bet I lose - 189.62
When I 4bet after being 3bet my winrate is 513.33 BB/100
When I shove after being 3bet my WR is 444.19 BB/100
When I face a 3bet in position my WR is 45.54
When I flat a 3bet in position my WR is 29.09
wrung24 said:
Finally got my positional stats for you guys.
Button 31.91/23.85
1 28.97/18.69
2 24.04/19.23
3 22.79/18.60
4 18.23/15.63
5 19.26/17.04
6 11.69/9.09
BB 18.43/7.37
SB 28.57/14.76
Are these solid positional stats or are there leaks in my game I am unaware of?
fx20736 said:
If I'm using PT correctly, it looks like I've open limped about 40 times from EP over about 6500 hands. The hands I have done it with are like 78s and 44 type hands and I only do it when the table does not seem to be particularly aggressive......
I will often complete the SB if I am getting the pot odds to call (a couple of limpers behind me), and throw it away on the flop if I dont hit. On my research on this on google it seems to be a debated issue. Some people think it should be much lower than what I'm doing and some people think it should be higher, so I really dont know what is ideal...
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Sounds good to me..To ya think we should be talking about 4bet bluffs at these stakes also?I mean it has it's place in playing good poker but rarely at these stakes would it make$.I could be wrong here of course an we could be missing out on ton's of bb\100 from not 4betting the button to a 3bet from the blinds if villain stats and notes are right for this sort of play.
JOEBOB69 said:
I think 4bet/bluffing is way too advanced for us micro trolls. Mainly because if we bluff and miss completely we've got 1/3 to 1/2 of our stack in and no plan to play the hand. I struggle with how to play QQ when I 4bet and get called. I mean, I do make a lot of money from 4betting QQ but that's really from all the folding. If you get called and flop an overpair are you against AA/KK or AK? Do we c-bet a flop with no A or K or do we check/call? Or do we check/raise all in?????
I mean for the most part your right but if villain 3bet% is high enough from the blinds and a few notes i think it still works.
Full Tilt Poker $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1239412
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
Hero (SB): $5.92
BB: $5.00
UTG: $5.13
MP: $9.49
CO: $5.00
BTN: $4.27
Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with 4 :spade: 8 :heart:
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BB raises to $0.48, Hero raises to $1.55, 1 fold
Final Pot: $0.96
Hero wins $0.96
(Rake: $-0.00)
Full Tilt Poker $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1239412
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
Hero (SB): $5.92
BB: $5.00
UTG: $5.13
MP: $9.49
CO: $5.00
BTN: $4.27
Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with 4 :spade: 8 :heart:
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BB raises to $0.48, Hero raises to $1.55, 1 fold
Final Pot: $0.96
Hero wins $0.96
(Rake: $-0.00)
That %55 is definitely not converged.
Assuming villain's tendencies fall in line well enough, 4betting is fine once you open, but I'm saying you shouldn't be opening 84o in the first place if he's 3betting so much. I wouldn't argue with never opening 84o in the SB ever.
I'm not going to answer your KQ+ question just yet. Here's something to think about: is it better to 4bet bluff someone who's 3betting a polarized or depolarized range?
Assuming villain's tendencies fall in line well enough, 4betting is fine once you open, but I'm saying you shouldn't be opening 84o in the first place if he's 3betting so much. I wouldn't argue with never opening 84o in the SB ever.
I'm not going to answer your KQ+ question just yet. Here's something to think about: is it better to 4bet bluff someone who's 3betting a polarized or depolarized range?
That's an interesting question...which I've never really considered.
On the one hand, 4bet bluffing a polarized range pretty much decides your actions for the rest of the hand. Villain is likely to fold trash and ship value. But in that case you're not really getting them to make a big error. You also might be turning a hand with value into a bluff.
On the other side the villain might wind up laying down a bunch of marginal value raises to a 4bet bluff which would be pretty big mistakes.
Really depends on whether the villain 3betting a depolarized range is going to play just as tight to a 4bet as the one 3betting polarized. If so then it would be better to 4bet the converged range as you'll get villain making very bad folds.
Hmm...after reading everything I just wrote I think it'd be better to 4bet bluff the villain with the merged (but too wide) 3bet range given no other tendencies than 3betting too much.
On the one hand, 4bet bluffing a polarized range pretty much decides your actions for the rest of the hand. Villain is likely to fold trash and ship value. But in that case you're not really getting them to make a big error. You also might be turning a hand with value into a bluff.
On the other side the villain might wind up laying down a bunch of marginal value raises to a 4bet bluff which would be pretty big mistakes.
Really depends on whether the villain 3betting a depolarized range is going to play just as tight to a 4bet as the one 3betting polarized. If so then it would be better to 4bet the converged range as you'll get villain making very bad folds.
Hmm...after reading everything I just wrote I think it'd be better to 4bet bluff the villain with the merged (but too wide) 3bet range given no other tendencies than 3betting too much.