Micro FR Study Group

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I 3bet based on the players tendencies, steals a lot, calling station, nit, whatever it may be and play well post flop if they call me. I like to play some suited connectors this way once I establish the image. 10NL works way better but still, in 5NL i'm hand reading well enough to get away with it.

I'm not gonna be a nit the whole time that's pointless all of my profit will be made off of hitting hands.
 
-Phil Ivey27 said:
I 3bet based on the players tendencies, steals a lot, calling station, nit, whatever it may be and play well post flop if they call me. I like to play some suited connectors this way once I establish the image. 10NL works way better but still, in 5NL i'm hand reading well enough to get away with it.
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Are you sure? Do you use HEM or PT3? If so filter for hands you 3bet and take out JJ+/AK from the hole cards? Just how profitable are those 3bets?
 
WVHillbilly said:
Are you sure? Do you use HEM or PT3? If so filter for hands you 3bet and take out JJ+/AK from the hole cards? Just how profitable are those 3bets?
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I don't use either, I use a different HUD and do not have these statistics but I imagine my 3bets would show pretty profitable as that is how I see I am making profit in the games, taking advantage of the respect I am getting.
 
Suited Connectors play very well in deep MW pots, by 3betting you are creating Shallow HU pots. So why 3bet them? Surely AX makes a better hand to 3bet bluff as it holds blockers to AA AK AQ and even if called by JJ an ace on the flop gives you the best hand.
 
What HUD are you using that doesn't have those stats?

I think you might be surprised to find out exactly how those light 3bets are doing. You can make a LOT of mistakes at micro stakes and still win at a decent clip but those same mistakes will cost you if they're still in your game as you move up (from personal experience) so KNOWING, not just imagining, something is profitable is pretty damn important.
 
My hand really is not that relevant, I do it with 85o sometimes, I just like getting a chance to hit the flop hard if I do get called pre-flop.
 
-Phil Ivey27 said:
My hand really is not that relevant, I do it with 85o sometimes, I just like getting a chance to hit the flop hard if I do get called pre-flop.
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How do you maintain this tight image and yet bet hands like 85o?

I think your 3bet stat may be higher than you think.
 
soooo......when are we thinking about getting this thread going guys? Hopefully we get a couple of more people to join
 
If they don't catch me then yes I maintain the image, and if they do then all that does is add a guessing factor to my game.
 
WVHillbilly said:
Are you sure? Do you use HEM or PT3? If so filter for hands you 3bet and take out JJ+/AK from the hole cards? Just how profitable are those 3bets?
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I was going to jump on PI side of this,until^.I filtered jj+\ak out an this month i'm -238bb.So not 3betting to 50+steals is -ev?Now i'm loseing my f***ing mind.
 
-Phil Ivey27 said:
And to WV I don't see my game without it.
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Ok. It's your game. I'm just saying that these "moves" you're talking about are probably costing you money. My recommendation wasn't to stop, just to get some real software and give it an actual evaluation.
 
Well i'll see how this rebuild goes and see if I should re evaluate my strategies.
 
JOEBOB69 said:
I was going to jump on PI side of this,until^.I filtered jj+\ak out an this month i'm -238bb.So not 3betting to 50+steals is -ev?Now i'm loseing my f***ing mind.
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Do you regularly 3bet AQ? Run the same filter as before and look at your positional breakdowns. Are you winning $$ in position but losing from the blinds?
 
-Phil Ivey27 said:
If they don't catch me then yes I maintain the image, and if they do then all that does is add a guessing factor to my game.
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This is spewy.

whilst people talk about 3betting ATC and showing a profit, they dont literally mean 3bat every 2 cards. As this would cause your opponent to correctly adjust.

So since you wont literally be betting ATC your choice of cards to 3bet should revolve around those with the highest equity from the cards that dont have enough equity to call with.

85o = spew

A5s = a blocker and a possible big draw.

A3o = A blocker + more equity than 85o
 
Only 3 bet AQ 3 times this month about a 10k sample.Yeah i'm +$ in the cuttoff and on the button -$ in the sb\bb.
 
I 3bet with hands like Ax suited as well. It is situational and based on who is raising, my image, etc. I won't muck my 85o and wait another 2 rounds to do it with A5 because I don't care for it that much.
 
-Phil Ivey27 said:
I 3bet with hands like Ax suited as well. It is situational and based on who is raising, my image, etc. I won't muck my 85o and wait another 2 rounds to do it with A5 because I don't care for it that much.
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So what is your 3bet %?
 
-Phil Ivey27 said:
I don't know it.
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I think you should invest in a PT3 or HEM because like WV says, if you were to filter out the AA-JJ AK form your 3bets you would show a loss from 3betting these hands.
 
Someday I will invest in it, for now I will look at the results of my play.
 
WSOP13 said:
soooo......when are we thinking about getting this thread going guys? Hopefully we get a couple of more people to join
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I'm gonna start one soon I think, was giving people the chance to read the COTW and try to use it in their game first. Also, not sure if CC are cool with me making a thread called "Micro FR COTW Discussion Thread" lol as thats what seems to be the best idea thats came forward imo.... WV? What say you?
 
Glad to see WV and Stu ITT too, was hoping that some more exp guys would pop in and fuel some discussion/correct us lol
 
orangepeeleo said:
I'm gonna start one soon I think, was giving people the chance to read the COTW and try to use it in their game first. Also, not sure if CC are cool with me making a thread called "Micro FR COTW Discussion Thread" lol as thats what seems to be the best idea thats came forward imo.... WV? What say you?
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Maybe something a little less 2p2 focused? I mean doing thread about those topics and linking to their COTW is fine I think. So a thread title of isoing limpers with a basic intro and a link to relevant material (whether it's here or there or wherever) should work just fine.
 
-Phil Ivey27 said:
Someday I will invest in it, for now I will look at the results of my play.
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Right now you have NO IDEA of the results of your play.

Also your attitude needs a bit of an adjustment. If you already know the answer why bother asking the questions?
 
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