Yeah im liking the idea of a discussion of the COTW's and how we're doing with our newly aquired skills.
Totally agree, its always good to make sure the stuff we're learning isnt total bollocks or anything.
Im back from uni for a couple of days so cant play poker or access pokertracker until sunday so until then im just reading COTW's and browsing these forums.
Also Phil Ivey guy, i think when choosing who to 3bet from the blinds we need to take into consideration their steal percentage, if theyre a nit and theyre not stealing much, then you really dont wanna be playing 3 bet pots with AQ oop, even if you think lately this has worked for you over time it definitely will not, but yeah you gotta get PT/HEM why dont you get the free trials? lasts for ages and should pay for itself in profit you make from it.
Well leaving my laptop at uni sucks so im off to play some cod and sleep cya tomorrow and good luck everyone
orangepeeleo said:
Totally agree, its always good to make sure the stuff we're learning isnt total bollocks or anything.
Im back from uni for a couple of days so cant play poker or access pokertracker until sunday so until then im just reading COTW's and browsing these forums.
Also Phil Ivey guy, i think when choosing who to 3bet from the blinds we need to take into consideration their steal percentage, if theyre a nit and theyre not stealing much, then you really dont wanna be playing 3 bet pots with AQ oop, even if you think lately this has worked for you over time it definitely will not, but yeah you gotta get PT/HEM why dont you get the free trials? lasts for ages and should pay for itself in profit you make from it.
Well leaving my laptop at uni sucks so im off to play some cod and sleep cya tomorrow and good luck everyone
WVHillbilly said:
Cool, that sounds good.
So we're going to have a different thread every week, focusing on the last weeks COTW, to keep this Micro FR orientated though we should have a MicroFR Group prefix imo, like everyone can come in and contribute as 6max & FR players both iso, just 6max players should know before they come in that they wont be seeing much 4bet iso squeezing discussion going on!
orangepeeleo said:
Great idea and a nice way to get things started! If we also post HHs that demonstrate what exactly we did, it could be very helpful.
Now that I've jumped right in, let me take a small step back...
I have about 18k hands, mostly cash FR and mostly 2NL (some 10NL in there as well). Along the way placed ITM in some tourneys. I've done OK enough to do that "Freeroll to bankroll" route (kind of became a point of stubborn, and stupid, pride with me that I've never deposited). But I know I have so much more to learn and would love to be part of a study group.
I'm limited in available hours. Maybe 2-3 hours on some weeknights and a bit more on the weekends (have to balance FT job and FT family!).
If you think it's a fit, let me know and I'll send you my Skype info. I also use Gmail chat a lot, not sure if anyone else does that.
So the whole "light" 3bet discussion ITT got me wondering about my own stats in this dept.
My 100nl stats (200K sample):
My overall Preflop 3bet% is 4.1% and my WR in 3bet pots is 90BB/100.
My value* 3bets (JJ+/AK) win at 159BB/100.
My light* 3bets (everything else) win at 23BB/100.
My ratio of value to light 3bets is nearly 50/50 (49/51 actually).
I'm interested to hear these numbers for some of you guys.
*Obviously these light/value distinctions are arbitrary. There are certainly times when I'm 3betting AQ for value and others where 3betting JJ is light, but these are the groups I feel are pretty representative of each group.
My 100nl stats (200K sample):
My overall Preflop 3bet% is 4.1% and my WR in 3bet pots is 90BB/100.
My value* 3bets (JJ+/AK) win at 159BB/100.
My light* 3bets (everything else) win at 23BB/100.
My ratio of value to light 3bets is nearly 50/50 (49/51 actually).
I'm interested to hear these numbers for some of you guys.
*Obviously these light/value distinctions are arbitrary. There are certainly times when I'm 3betting AQ for value and others where 3betting JJ is light, but these are the groups I feel are pretty representative of each group.
In HEM just
add Did 3bet = True under preflop filters in the More filters tab. Record the total number of hands listed on the reports screen.
Then go back into filters > Hole Cards. Select all cards and then deselect JJ+/AK. Go back to the reports screen and record that hand number.
Divide the smaller number (light 3bets) by the total number and that is your light 3bet %. Subtract that number from 100 to get your value 3bet %.
In PT3
Filters > Actions > Preflop > check the 3bet box. Record the numbers from the hands screen.
Then go back to the Hole cards tab and select all, deselect JJ+/AK, back to hands tab and record numbers.
Perform same math as above.
add Did 3bet = True under preflop filters in the More filters tab. Record the total number of hands listed on the reports screen.
Then go back into filters > Hole Cards. Select all cards and then deselect JJ+/AK. Go back to the reports screen and record that hand number.
Divide the smaller number (light 3bets) by the total number and that is your light 3bet %. Subtract that number from 100 to get your value 3bet %.
In PT3
Filters > Actions > Preflop > check the 3bet box. Record the numbers from the hands screen.
Then go back to the Hole cards tab and select all, deselect JJ+/AK, back to hands tab and record numbers.
Perform same math as above.
I would definitely like to join this, but I'm not going to be able to devote the time to contribute to this because of "actually" focusing on school for once in my life lol, as well as working 30 hours a week on top of my classes.
However, I will be following the threads with vested interest when possible.
However, I will be following the threads with vested interest when possible.
No what I meant when I said 2 to 1 BB over SB was that I 3bet light say 500 times in the BB and 250 times from the SB. So some of the BB 3bets may have been IP when the SB opened but the majority are likely resteal situations.debpes said:
Sorry for any confusion.
Here are my #s. All for 6 max.
This is over my most recent play at Merge. ~25k hands. Merge is lol soft.
I have a 1:1 ratio of value:light. 47/53
Value 3 bets = 259BB/100
Light 3 bets = 162BB/100
Full Tilt. 70k hand sample of play since Oct. 1st.
1:1 ratio of value:light. 46/54.
Value 3 bet = 287BB/100
Light 3 bet = 85BB/100
This is using JJ+/AK for "value"
More light 3 bets then value by a slim margin. I think it has to do with being able to 3 bet TT and AQ for value in the micros.
This is over my most recent play at Merge. ~25k hands. Merge is lol soft.
I have a 1:1 ratio of value:light. 47/53
Value 3 bets = 259BB/100
Light 3 bets = 162BB/100
Full Tilt. 70k hand sample of play since Oct. 1st.
1:1 ratio of value:light. 46/54.
Value 3 bet = 287BB/100
Light 3 bet = 85BB/100
This is using JJ+/AK for "value"
More light 3 bets then value by a slim margin. I think it has to do with being able to 3 bet TT and AQ for value in the micros.
WVHillbilly said:
Lolsamplesize has obv skewed things here considerably, specially the 'light' 3bet section, got it in OTT with set of TT<AJs which rivered a flush(75%fav) and got it in with AQ<35o....yes 35o which had called an iso-raise, called a cbet on 822r bd and c/gotAI on a J turn, obv binked a 3 on the river lol.
Wish this could have helped me a bit more, gonna remember it for future analysis though when sample size is a bit larger.
WVHillbilly said:
OK, Ill join in here.
I have 6max and fr stats
50nl 6max: 50k hands
pf 3b% = 5.5 WR = 116bb/100
Value 3b = 170bb/100
Light 3b = 54bb/100
Ratio = 58 value / 42 light
50nl FR: 50k hands
pf 3b% = 3.4% WR = 308bb/100
Value 3b = 550bb/100
Light 3b = 163bb/100
Ratio = 56 v / 44 l
Guys, why haven't you said earlier it's so much fun multi-tabling.
I just had a nice 1 hour 6-max 6-table session, running around 550 h/hr. Man, it was awesome!
And not just because I was totally crushing them, it's because when I had a suckout, I didn't have the time to dwell on it, too much action going on.
Also, it's awesome to run good and pump so much volume. The BR really appreciates it 😀
The only downside is I was playing 13/10, which is very nitty for me, especially for 6-max. But I noticed I was playing as high as 25/20 on one table and 8/8 on another. Probably very villain dependent, but still I was playing a lot tighter. My steal was also around 22 or something, way low.
But that's probably due to the fact that I haven't played this many tables before. I had played 3 somewhat seriously, experimented with 4, but never with 6. Plus I played on a laptop without a mouse. LOL!
But yeah, now that I think about it, you guys were right from the start (Stu, esp.) - you have to multi, especially at these limits. There's just no other way to cope with variance and shit. I made almost 600 hands for this session, something that I usually do for a full day's playing. If I play like I usually play on weekends, I'm looking at somewhere around 2,500 - 3,000 hands. Which is.... wow!
I have a question for you, though. I was stacking the tables because I was playing on a 15", but how do you guys search for the tables that interest you. F.e. you're all in with AA on some table and you want to see it play out. Do you just wait until the table pops up and then look at the chat whether you won or not? Because that's what I did several times.
Also, this way I don't focus too much on results on more on my play during the hand, which is mega +EV.
/rant
I just had a nice 1 hour 6-max 6-table session, running around 550 h/hr. Man, it was awesome!
And not just because I was totally crushing them, it's because when I had a suckout, I didn't have the time to dwell on it, too much action going on.
Also, it's awesome to run good and pump so much volume. The BR really appreciates it 😀
The only downside is I was playing 13/10, which is very nitty for me, especially for 6-max. But I noticed I was playing as high as 25/20 on one table and 8/8 on another. Probably very villain dependent, but still I was playing a lot tighter. My steal was also around 22 or something, way low.
But that's probably due to the fact that I haven't played this many tables before. I had played 3 somewhat seriously, experimented with 4, but never with 6. Plus I played on a laptop without a mouse. LOL!
But yeah, now that I think about it, you guys were right from the start (Stu, esp.) - you have to multi, especially at these limits. There's just no other way to cope with variance and shit. I made almost 600 hands for this session, something that I usually do for a full day's playing. If I play like I usually play on weekends, I'm looking at somewhere around 2,500 - 3,000 hands. Which is.... wow!
I have a question for you, though. I was stacking the tables because I was playing on a 15", but how do you guys search for the tables that interest you. F.e. you're all in with AA on some table and you want to see it play out. Do you just wait until the table pops up and then look at the chat whether you won or not? Because that's what I did several times.
Also, this way I don't focus too much on results on more on my play during the hand, which is mega +EV.
/rant