MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[RamdeeBen]

I don't get it. We have a full house. Unless we can put him on quads and only quads then we stack off here 100%.

What calls our shove that doesn't beat us?

i didnt get it either, maybe we are missing something :O

It's just not the nuts and his line looks really, really strong.

Nah it's still a shove. Only hand to be scared of is QQ.

You only think QQ will x/r the river? What about the other hands that beat us ? Do you think there's more air here and does someone really do this with a worse hand? ie; A straight or trips? I personally just don't see it often at this limit.

lol, I've called in spots like these before. Folding is too much, but we probably shouldn't be auto shipping without first considering his river x/raising range. QQ/99 vs JT and 77 (assuming JTs 50% time maybe to give it an appropriate weighting?), and we start to wonder where we're at.

Matt I don't think our absolute hand strength here is overly important.

Firstly; it's zoom..no real reads. Just he was 4 tabling so I assumed more of a reg. That's all I had to go of with this hand.

Yeah; that's the thing. His x/r looks so strong; I don't feel I beat anything. I doubt he's x/r like a straight draw that got there. I understand folding isn't really an option ( I didn't fold ) but it was so weird the way he played it that gut instinct / timing tells so I wonder if we should factor that in.



After the session I looked at the hand again and I thought I might got asked why it's not an auto ship and I wonder if people think callings ok or if people think they are just shoving their stack in but then I was stuck with the range of hands are x/r as bluffs/worse/better I felt only better would x/r this river? So which makes the best option, fold/call/shove. Either way; I did just elect to call . . now he turned over QQ which ok..lost the minimum but I'm wondering actually if shoving is "best" or just calling is best in these weird spots. Like frankly, in general it's like "Woohoo he just raised my FH, but I honestly didn't feel great at the time about, not good enough to just auto ship anyway"

His check on the turn made it interesting, because he probably thought I highly unlikely have Qx because he has 2 obviously so if I have trips; I'm likely value betting it but given I didn't...and he checks the river again, (we would assume QQ would try value bet here, instead he went for a x/r which made the spot really weird. Unless he thought I had absolute air; he had the board crushed so hoped I'd bluff the river)

 

[Cafeman]

I doubt he's x/r like a straight draw that got there.

That is the other consideration. Firstly, does JTs even exist as part of his range, and if it does he would most likely lead for value rather than x/r it like it's the nuts. So we can discount JT twice!

 

[RamdeeBen]

That is the other consideration. Firstly, does JTs even exist as part of his range, and if it does he would most likely lead for value rather than x/r it like it's the nuts. So we can discount JT twice!

That's very true.

What's your line on the river disregarding the fact he shows up with QQ this one time?

Do you think more times than not we can just happily ship it in and expect it to show a better profit than just calling?

 

[ScottishMatt]

So sexy . . . 3Bet is sitting at 6. Is it weird that when I see that shit I start getting horny?

 

[RamdeeBen]

Bigger on flop? Also; shipping turn "standard"? Seems standard, but I'm when I take these lines; I sometimes I wonder given how wet the boards become and their calling ranges pre/post flop...what does he call we beat, 66/99-QQ + some one pair hand + draws?

Personally; I think my hand is face up at this point like; QQ+..given that, this narrows his calling range to sets/two pairs.

Trying to see is if there's a different line here?


Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2253685
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $10.82
Hero (SB): $11.07
BB: $5.57
UTG: $10.25
MP: $6.73
CO: $9.09

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with K :heart: K :diamond:
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, CO raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.20, 2 folds, CO calls $0.90

Flop: ($2.60) 5 :spade: 3 :heart: 8 :diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $1.90, CO calls $1.90

Turn: ($6.40) 7 :spade: (2 players)
Hero bets $7.97 all in, CO calls $5.99 all in

River: ($18.38) 9 :club: (2 players - 2 are all in)

 

[Yoshimiii]

Bigger on flop? Also; shipping turn "standard"? Seems standard, but I'm when I take these lines; I sometimes I wonder given how wet the boards become and their calling ranges pre/post flop...what does he call we beat, 66/99-QQ + some one pair hand + draws?

Personally; I think my hand is face up at this point like; QQ+..given that, this narrows his calling range to sets/two pairs.

Trying to see is if there's a different line here?


Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2253685
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $10.82
Hero (SB): $11.07
BB: $5.57
UTG: $10.25
MP: $6.73
CO: $9.09

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with K <font color='red'>♥</font> K <font color='red'>♦</font>
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, CO raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.20, 2 folds, CO calls $0.90

Flop: ($2.60) 5 <font color='black'>♠</font> 3 <font color='red'>♥</font> 8 <font color='red'>♦</font> (2 players)
Hero bets $1.90, CO calls $1.90

Turn: ($6.40) 7 <font color='black'>♠</font> (2 players)
Hero bets $7.97 all in, CO calls $5.99 all in

River: ($18.38) 9 <font color='black'>♣</font> (2 players - 2 are all in)

Villain isn't full stacked, therefore likely not reading hands too well so I wouldn't worry about KK being face up here at all.

Wp.

 

[ScottishMatt]

Probably gonna stick at 5NL for another while, I feel like I've been spewing a bit lately so it's probably best. Got some spots vs LAGs that I'll need looked at so watch out for another bunch of hands somewhere below.

 

[pocketehs]

anyone know how to colour code yourself on Stars so that you can find yourself in tourny lobbys?

 

[Logan2]

How you guys manage to load any volume playing regular tables?. I think Zoom broke me because can´t find motivation to play on regular tables even if winning.

I think what bring me down is all the waiting list, opening/closing tables, tables breaking, 2 players sit-out by table or open sits, wait like 10minutes to bb get to me and start playing and then people just leave or find table is full of nits and need to find another table and again the wait to get dealt a hand (or sit in right away and spew a bb because find yourself with 93o on MP), and at the same time need to deal with other tables, looking to lobby, is just madness. i cant find a way to get around that, try to load more tables and is a no for me, with less tables (6) i feel i´m playing optimal but also feel is so hard to load any volume.
I try easy-sit session mode but end the same. i just want to sit and play

Can´t complaint though because running hot on regular tables but at this rate not gona load even 20k hands in the month.

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Any ideas?.

 

[RamdeeBen]

anyone know how to colour code yourself on Stars so that you can find yourself in tourny lobbys?

Yeah: options/player notes/add/type your nick and colour code.

 

[RamdeeBen]

anyone know how to colour code yourself on Stars so that you can find yourself in tourny lobbys?

How you guys manage to load any volume playing regular tables?. I think Zoom broke me because can´t find motivation to play on regular tables even if winning.

I think what bring me down is all the waiting list, opening/closing tables, tables breaking, 2 players sit-out by table or open sits, wait like 10minutes to bb get to me and start playing and then people just leave or find table is full of nits and need to find another table and again the wait to get dealt a hand (or sit in right away and spew a bb because find yourself with 93o on MP), and at the same time need to deal with other tables, looking to lobby, is just madness. i cant find a way to get around that, try to load more tables and is a no for me, with less tables (6) i feel i´m playing optimal but also feel is so hard to load any volume.
I try easy-sit session mode but end the same. i just want to sit and play

You know; I have the same problem and notice that. zoom is the devil for me but very convenient and my win rate is much lower in zoom and don't find it as "easy" as the normal tables but still play it more; purely because of the volume I can get in. I feel I've achieved good volume if I mutli table zoom for a few hours..

What I've made sure I'm doing now though is before I load zoom is that I load my normal 4-6 cash game tables (start a table; or join any 2-3 player table. The players are bad enough I don't feel we need to table select and it's no fun playing a table full of nits anyway) and add 1 or 2 zoom tables as extra "volume"..seems to work but what not to do; is load zoom first in my experience

 

[Logan2]

You know; I have the same problem and notice that. zoom is the devil for me but very convenient and my win rate is much lower in zoom and don't find it as "easy" as the normal tables but still play it more; purely because of the volume I can get in. I feel I've achieved good volume if I mutli table zoom for a few hours..

What I've made sure I'm doing now though is before I load zoom is that I load my normal 4-6 cash game tables (start a table; or join any 2-3 player table. The players are bad enough I don't feel we need to table select and it's no fun playing a table full of nits anyway) and add 1 or 2 zoom tables as extra "volume"..seems to work but what not to do; is load zoom first in my experience

I feel pretty much the same on bold.

Just now load a 30 minutes session on regular tables, ended great and feel play a lot of hands but when see hands loaded is 115 hands lol, on zoom could load close to 400 on that time, but like you mention Zoom is harder but also give that feeling that you are actually achieving something with more volume.

On the mixing zoom/regular tables, i do was thinking on play regular on peak times and some zoom on bad hours when regular tables are more pain to load. But never think on mixing at the same time, not sure how that could work, maybe i could try couple sessions and see how it feels. Thanks Ram.

 

[Yoshimiii]

How you guys manage to load any volume playing regular tables?. I think Zoom broke me because can´t find motivation to play on regular tables even if winning.

I think what bring me down is all the waiting list, opening/closing tables, tables breaking, 2 players sit-out by table or open sits, wait like 10minutes to bb get to me and start playing and then people just leave or find table is full of nits and need to find another table and again the wait to get dealt a hand (or sit in right away and spew a bb because find yourself with 93o on MP), and at the same time need to deal with other tables, looking to lobby, is just madness. i cant find a way to get around that, try to load more tables and is a no for me, with less tables (6) i feel i´m playing optimal but also feel is so hard to load any volume.
I try easy-sit session mode but end the same. i just want to sit and play

Can´t complaint though because running hot on regular tables but at this rate not gona load even 20k hands in the month.

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Any ideas?.

I use table ninja, then join the waitlist of all the tables within my search criteria and if the tables are poor I leave and as I am waiting on around 20 tables, a new one pops up instantly. I just constantly keep joining wait-lists, especially if a table is poor or some breaking.

On table ninja you can set a maxmium amount of tables you want open at any one time so you don't have to keep crossing off new tables that pop up + they auto-load for me.

Really easy and useful.

 

[RamdeeBen]

Interesting hand.

Villian is a TAG; 14/12 over 35 hands at zoom.

Given we lead out and get a cold caller and then a raise form a tightish player; what's the best line here? First thoughts are; this is never really a semi-bluff from this player (possible if he has pair + good flush draw I guess)

For all his range; flushes/two pairs/sets we're doing quite well agaisnt; like an 80% fav but I'm thinking this guy is likely raising two pair at worse with maybe a spade draw or sets..and vs that range we're only 35%.

Because we have TPTK +nut flush I'm never folding but..question is; do we flat call or just shove now?

I'm really unsure of the best line here because if we flat call and a spade hits the turn; this will likely shut him down unless he has KsQx. Although his range is really strong here, are we ok if we assume he has the absolute best range of hands, sets/two pairs we're not in great shape and even if we bink turn, we still have to dodge some outs.I also don't wanna fold him out if we shove, which isn't likely given he raised a cold caller. If the board pairs, it kills most action and if villain barrels turn I'm never happy. booo..whats best please?


Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 2254617
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $13.77
SB: $10.65
BB: $27.13
UTG: $11.44
Hero (UTG+1): $11.49
UTG+2: $4.01
MP1: $9.50
MP2: $20.34
CO: $26.45

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG+1 with Q :diamond: A :spade:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.30, MP2 calls $0.30, CO calls $0.30, 3 folds

Flop: ($1.35) T :spade: Q :spade: 3 :spade: (4 players)
Hero bets $1, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $1, CO raises to $2.70, Hero ??

 

[ScottishMatt]

If you are never folding then shove. This guy is never folding either. The turn just ruins us whether we get there or not.

 

[AlfieAA]

@ram ...shove it imo, like you say, if another spade comes the action will most likely be killed...just gii otf, by the looks of it he is certain to call it anyway.

 

[Yoshimiii]

He's see's you being aggressive into multi-way pot and still raises this very wet board, easy fold, he has a set here at the very least.

 

[pocketehs]

I don't really want to fold there. I Probs cib and gii. Think he can do this with QJ KsQ and small flushes as well


Edit: ugghhhh never mind. I'm kind of second guessing myself now. Someone give a list of his hands and ill do an ev calc at work need to start doing more of that anyway

 

[Cafeman]

If we assume MP1 is coming along we are almost getting direct pot odds to see the turn (also assuming CO has a set of Tens for example). So I don't /hate/ calling ... just putting that option out there!

Folding is fine though for the reasons Yoshi outlined.

 

[ScottishMatt]

Personally I'd be folding but I'm a nit so . . .

 

[Cafeman]

Personally I'd be folding but I'm a nit so . . .

Honestly, I think in game I would too (assuming CO not a spazztard).

 

[RamdeeBen]

Thanks for replies.

I think it's close..I agree with yoshi when he made this raise first thing that came to my mind was sets. Given we have Aq, I think we can eliminate QQ meaning we're left with TT/33 however, TPTK with nut flush draw..I really struggle folding and never intended too (Given how rare this situation is; not sure if it's going to be -EV to GII)

With direct odds cafe; to call seems ok yeah. I just wonder though; if turn bricks - do we just fold then? Also; not sure he pays us off if a spade hits. hmmm..


I kinda just put all ranges out there there might raise to justify shoving and we have really good equity. Not sure if that's also a leak talking myself into shoving based on a whole range given this nit isn't likely "that" wide or aggressive to do it with all his range and probably does have sets here a lot more than flushes (flopped flush 130/1?/Flopped set 7/1) which brings us to another point; we have lost 2 more outs if he has a flush.. but I also think it's feasible for him to get in KoJs/KsQ/KsTo possible too?

 

[ScottishMatt]

He might not fold those hands ram but we can be sure he is never raising them. The bottom of his range is sets.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

It doesn't really matter if the bottom of his range is sets - we only have to call $1.70 into $6.05... And there's a decent chance MP comes along when we just call. I prob spazz-shove in game, but a call is probably correct.

 

[Cafeman]

With direct odds cafe; to call seems ok yeah. I just wonder though; if turn bricks - do we just fold then? Also; not sure he pays us off if a spade hits. hmmm..

x/f brick turns is fine if we had direct odds to call otf - that is unless he gives us odds again.