MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[ScottishMatt]

Funny. I think I need to stop folding so much. Or at least most other members advise me to.

I probably make more hero folds than most but even with a tendency to do that I struggle to find a fold here. He probably isn't a good enough hand reader to not ship 8x in this spot and might go crazy with KQ like you said. Then there is always the random spaz. All that into consideration + us being at the absolute top of our range for taking this line just makes me call.

 

[Kostone]

Hello everyone here, I have recently switched from SnGs and MTTs to Micro Cash at Stars, just looking to fill my Skype contacts up with cash game players to perhaps form a study group on there, or just chat general strategy and review HH's etc if anyone is interested drop me a PM on here.

Thanks, Kostonee (Stars)

 

[pocketehs]

Line checks

This ones ugly and I hate it but let me know what ur thoughts are

PokerStars - $0.16 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $24.78 (VPIP: 19.65, PFR: 16.49, 3Bet Preflop: 5.32, hands: 296)
MP: $13.77 (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
CO: $43.15 (VPIP: 20.49, PFR: 14.41, 3Bet Preflop: 6.28, Hands: 592)
BTN: $16.56 (VPIP: 21.32, PFR: 14.15, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 329)
Hero (SB): $24.76
BB: $16.77 (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)

Hero posts SB $0.08, BB posts BB $0.16

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.24) Hero has A:diamond: 9:diamond:

UTG raises to $0.40, MP calls $0.40, CO calls $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.32, BB calls $0.24

Flop: ($2.40, 6 players) 7:heart: 2:diamond: 4:diamond:
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets $0.48, CO calls $0.48, fold, Hero raises to $3.20, fold, fold, MP calls $2.72, fold

Turn: ($9.28, 2 players) 8:club:
Hero bets $21.16 and is all-in,



Bet sizing


PokerStars - $0.16 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $17.37 (VPIP: 32.55, PFR: 22.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.51, Hands: 914)
BTN: $27.61 (VPIP: 25.34, PFR: 20.55, 3Bet Preflop: 10.94, Hands: 149)
SB: $10.11 (VPIP: 29.08, PFR: 14.18, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 144)
BB: $17.21 (VPIP: 19.58, PFR: 13.66, 3Bet Preflop: 6.08, Hands: 677)
UTG: $18.66 (VPIP: 30.19, PFR: 22.64, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 53)
Hero (MP): $32.73

SB posts SB $0.08, BB posts BB $0.16

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.24) Hero has J:diamond: K:diamond:

fold, Hero raises to $0.48, fold, fold, SB calls $0.40, BB calls $0.32

Flop: ($1.44, 3 players) 7:diamond: 2:club: 5:heart:
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($1.44, 3 players) J:heart:
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.96, fold, BB calls $0.96

River: ($3.36, 2 players) J:spade:
BB checks, Hero bets $1.60, BB calls $1.60



PokerStars - $0.16 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $27.61 (VPIP: 25.17, PFR: 20.41, 3Bet Preflop: 10.77, Hands: 150)
BTN: $9.63 (VPIP: 29.58, PFR: 14.08, 3Bet Preflop: 3.51, Hands: 145)
SB: $16.00 (VPIP: 19.70, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 6.06, Hands: 678)
BB: $18.66 (VPIP: 29.63, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 54)
Hero (UTG): $35.95

SB posts SB $0.08, BB posts BB $0.16

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.24) Hero has K:spade: J:club:

Hero raises to $0.48, CO calls $0.48, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.20, 2 players) J:diamond: 5:diamond: 7:spade:
Hero bets $0.80, CO calls $0.80

Turn: ($2.80, 2 players) A:diamond:
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($2.80, 2 players) 7:heart:
Hero checks, CO bets $1.92, Hero calls $1.92

 

[pocketehs]

x/c? b/f?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $93.74 (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 30)
SB: $12.60 (VPIP: 24.32, PFR: 24.32, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 37)
BB: $22.88 (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
UTG: $16.89 (VPIP: 35.02, PFR: 24.92, 3Bet Preflop: 8.74, Hands: 323)
Hero (MP): $25.35
CO: $47.63 (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 39)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 8:heart: 7:heart:

fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, BTN calls $0.75, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.85, 2 players) 9:club: 7:diamond: 7:spade:
Hero bets $1.00, BTN calls $1.00

Turn: ($3.85, 2 players) J:diamond:
Hero bets $2.50, BTN calls $2.50

River: ($8.85, 2 players) T:heart:

 

[redwards92]

x/c? b/f?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $93.74 (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 30)
SB: $12.60 (VPIP: 24.32, PFR: 24.32, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 37)
BB: $22.88 (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
UTG: $16.89 (VPIP: 35.02, PFR: 24.92, 3Bet Preflop: 8.74, Hands: 323)
Hero (MP): $25.35
CO: $47.63 (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 39)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 8♥ 7♥

fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, BTN calls $0.75, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.85, 2 players) 9♣ 7♦ 7♠
Hero bets $1.00, BTN calls $1.00

Turn: ($3.85, 2 players) J♦
Hero bets $2.50, BTN calls $2.50

River: ($8.85, 2 players) T♥

imo x/c

 

[SeventhLion]

Hello guys , i would like to form a study group too or at least one player to talk about poker.. I am in stuck at micro stakes..

my skype is : tomas.322

Help is very appreciated!

 

[ScottishMatt]

imo x/c

X/C is horrible in this spot.

I probably go 2/3rds and fold to a raise.

 

[redwards92]

X/C is horrible in this spot.

I probably go 2/3rds and fold to a raise.

what's the difference between check calling a 2/3 bet and betting 2/3 then folding to a raise?

Sure you lose value vs worse hands but if you're putting money in at all here getting to showdown is a better option imo

 

[ScottishMatt]

1) All better hands are guaranteed to bet - we lose just as much as we would bet/folding (sometimes less because we get to choose the price).


2) Not every hand that we can get value from by betting is willing to bet themselves - we lose value because some of his calling range will check back.



How is getting to showdown and in doing so losing value, a better option?

 

[redwards92]

1) All better hands are guaranteed to bet - we lose just as much as we would bet/folding (sometimes less because we get to choose the price).


2) Not every hand that we can get value from by betting is willing to bet themselves - we lose value because some of his calling range will check back.



How is getting to showdown and in doing so losing value, a better option?

Pretty thin value bet you make here because what in his range in this particular spot isn't going to fold that doesn't beat you ? 4 cards to a straight on a paired board things like two pair and three of a kind don't hold much showdown value.

IMO the only action you get from worse hands is a bluff and you have a decent bluff catcher.


You could even find folds to some river bets here but with only 30 hands may as well look him up and take notes.

 

[doomasiggy]

x/c? b/f?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $93.74 (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 30)
SB: $12.60 (VPIP: 24.32, PFR: 24.32, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 37)
BB: $22.88 (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
UTG: $16.89 (VPIP: 35.02, PFR: 24.92, 3Bet Preflop: 8.74, Hands: 323)
Hero (MP): $25.35
CO: $47.63 (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 39)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 8<font color='red'>♥</font> 7<font color='red'>♥</font>

fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, BTN calls $0.75, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.85, 2 players) 9<font color='black'>♣</font> 7<font color='red'>♦</font> 7<font color='black'>♠</font>
Hero bets $1.00, BTN calls $1.00

Turn: ($3.85, 2 players) J<font color='red'>♦</font>
Hero bets $2.50, BTN calls $2.50

River: ($8.85, 2 players) T<font color='red'>♥</font>

b/f all day everyday.

Full Tilt - $0.05 Ante $0.01 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $17.80 (VPIP: 35.24, PFR: 22.12, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 107)
CO: $5.19 (VPIP: 45.28, PFR: 9.43, 3Bet Preflop: 5.71, Hands: 54)
Hero (BTN): $14.52
SB: $11.81 (VPIP: 30.19, PFR: 15.09, 3Bet Preflop: 6.00, Hands: 107)

4 players post ante of $0.01, SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.11) Hero has 7:club: 8:club:

fold, Hero raises to $0.15, SB raises to $0.40, fold, Hero calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.89, 2 players) 8:spade: 8:diamond: 9:spade:
SB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $2.35, SB calls $1.85

Turn: ($5.59, 2 players) 5:club:
SB checks, Hero

Wasn't sure which was best here given we're nearly 300bb deep and I'm not sure how light he's stacking off:

1) Bet big to set up obvious river shove?

2) Bet small to squeeze out a few extra bb?

3) Check it back and hope he'll bet/call otr?

 

[duggs]

bet 3.33 eval river

 

[ScottishMatt]

Pretty thin value bet you make here because what in his range in this particular spot isn't going to fold that doesn't beat you ? 4 cards to a straight on a paired board things like two pair and three of a kind don't hold much showdown value.

IMO the only action you get from worse hands is a bluff and you have a decent bluff catcher.


You could even find folds to some river bets here but with only 30 hands may as well look him up and take notes.

You're contradicting yourself here. If he never calls worse then we shouldn't be X/C'ing because he is never betting worse himself. Your point just doesn't make any sense. If you don't feel he is continuing with worse then X/C'ing is the nut worst line we can take. If your hand reading is correct then you should be advising a X/F not a X/C.

The only time we should take a X/C line with a value oriented hand is when the draws brick and a large portion of villain's range consists of those draws. Any weak hand he can have in this spot still has SDV and he isn't good enough to turn it into a bluff. So I'll ask, what are we bluff catching against?

 

[ScottishMatt]

Dooma's hand.

He ain't calling a flop raise to fold now. Bet turn to size for river ship IMO.

 

[duggs]

he is more worried about shoving into a range that crushes him. wont happen at 5nl bet/shove. on most rivers we stack overpairs.

 

[redwards92]

You're contradicting yourself here. If he never calls worse then we shouldn't be X/C'ing because he is never betting worse himself. Your point just doesn't make any sense. If you don't feel he is continuing with worse then X/C'ing is the nut worst line we can take. If your hand reading is correct then you should be advising a X/F not a X/C.

The only time we should take a X/C line with a value oriented hand is when the draws brick and a large portion of villain's range consists of those draws. Any weak hand he can have in this spot still has SDV and he isn't good enough to turn it into a bluff. So I'll ask, what are we bluff catching against?

I actually did say you can find folds here vs any villian with a decent sample size (villian dependant) on a river bet.

We bluff catch against the exact same hands you think are calling on the river. I don't see what evidence you have behind saying villian's at 25NL aren't capable of turning hands into a bluff?

 

[duggs]

if they bet 2 pair+ its not as a bluff, its for value, but most likely they check back.

 

[ScottishMatt]

I actually did say you can find folds here vs any villian with a decent sample size (villian dependant) on a river bet.

We bluff catch against the exact same hands you think are calling on the river. I don't see what evidence you have behind saying villian's at 25NL aren't capable of turning hands into a bluff?

I just wrote out a very long post explaining my thought process. I don't see the point though. If you haven't worked it out already then my elaborations will be useless.


You just keep X/C bluffcatching on super dry boards where villain can't have air because you think he is turning his weak SDV into a bluff against your air heavy line.

 

[redwards92]

I just wrote out a very long post explaining my thought process. I don't see the point though. If you haven't worked it out already then my elaborations will be useless.


You just keep X/C bluffcatching on super dry boards where villain can't have air because you think he is turning his weak SDV into a bluff against your air heavy line.

So you're thought process on villian not being able to bluff is that he is not good enough ?

Air heavy line? So that means any competent villian can raise your river bet a huge % of the time and expect you to fold because it is such an air heavy line I guess and you said b/f is the best option .

Air heavy lines are perfect spots for villians to bluff or bet thin value hands like two pair or three of a kind (After you check/"giveup" on the river)????


IMO you make more here x/calling and x/folding a percentage of the time then b/f
:eating:


I guess air heavy lines get called by worse as well so valid point

I was moreso making shit up and giving ya a hard time lol remember I'm pretty bad at the game.

 

[ScottishMatt]

1) His two pair/trips hands call anyway so we lose no value.

2) If he has less than that he checks it back because given our line we have nothing.

Point 2 is applicable because he isn't going to double float us with air which means any hand that he gets to the river with is going to have SDV (barring BD diamonds).

Air heavy lines are perfect for villain to re-bluff us. The point I'm making is that he doesn't have a bluffing hand here. On this board he has SDV.

I don't really get where you are coming from. Do you feel he is going to try and bluff us off A high when he has KJ . . . ?

That is the only time X/C is better.

 

[redwards92]

1) His two pair/trips hands call anyway so we lose no value.

2) If he has less than that he checks it back because given our line we have nothing.

Point 2 is applicable because he isn't going to double float us with air which means any hand that he gets to the river with is going to have SDV (barring BD diamonds).

Air heavy lines are perfect for villain to re-bluff us. The point I'm making is that he doesn't have a bluffing hand here. On this board he has SDV.

I don't really get where you are coming from. Do you feel he is going to try and bluff us off A high when he has KJ . . . ?

That is the only time X/C is better.

Not sure if you seen my edit on last post but yeah I get everything you're saying.

 

[ScottishMatt]

No I didn't see that last section, apologies

If you could though, reply and give him a range of hands he can have that will -

1) Call a bet
2) Bet themselves
3) Raise a bet

I just want to see what you come up with here because you may be skewing ranges somewhat.

 

[redwards92]

No I didn't see that last section, apologies

If you could though, reply and give him a range of hands he can have that will -

1) Call a bet
2) Bet themselves
3) Raise a bet

I just want to see what you come up with here because you may be skewing ranges somewhat.

Given the action I could see J9/JT/9T/88 calling

I figured with a check on the river they could bet with worse(same as calling hands) but I guess my own logic in putting money in and only getting action from better comes in to play there as well so check backs from worse is probably common. Boats/ higher straights(not likely? imo) are obviously betting here.

Then of course full house raises but given your air heavy line doesn't that open it up for two pairs and three of a kind to put you on a bluff and raise you there as well if they are good enough?

 

[redwards92]

to be more clear I meant higher straights are not likely but there are boats here for sure.

 

[dionlugt]

Pocketehs, about that A9,

You shouldnt even have called it PF to a UTG raise I think