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  • #676
Move up, you won't learn anything you dont already know at 2nl, you need to learn 5nl now imo...

And dont worry if your not crushing 5nl for a few weeks or even a month, the more you play it the better you will do.....and that goes for honeycrush too, I think you guys were expecting to crush from the start but that won't happen so dont let it affect your confidence.......when you first started playing 2nl it took time to get used to it properly.....gl everyone in this thread for the new year, hope its a good one for you all.....rungooooooot :)
 
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  • #677
having problems with a vilian at the table, stats are 36/36 3bet is 44% 24 hands......he is sitting 2 to the left of me and when i try and steal his bb from the BTN he always 3bets me....obv i dont have a big enough hand sample on him to check his fold to 4 bet and the hands im stealing with are KQ 97s etc...marginals basically......should i come over the top with a 4bet or always fold to his 3bet???....its going to look see through if im always folding to his 3bet here or maybe i shouldnt go for steals with him....but if i wait until i get a good hand and steal he will prob shut down and fold....or maybe he doesnt think like that....thoughts?
 
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  • #678
Move tables, there's no need to have anyone slightly difficult on your left, and if you can't steal every blind he posts find someone from whom you can

In the end he's just going to make you tighten up from LP , because he'll be flatting all your isoraises against villains you have pos on, and the only real adjustment you can make is to tighten your stealing/isoing ranges which is daft
 
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Yeah prob best to leave the table otherwise I would go to war with them and 4bet...dont want to be doing that then tilting when I know I'm playing bad...thanks
 
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  • #680
AlfieAA said:
having problems with a vilian at the table, stats are 36/36 3bet is 44% 24 hands......he is sitting 2 to the left of me and when i try and steal his bb from the BTN he always 3bets me....obv i dont have a big enough hand sample on him to check his fold to 4 bet and the hands im stealing with are KQ 97s etc...marginals basically......should i come over the top with a 4bet or always fold to his 3bet???....its going to look see through if im always folding to his 3bet here or maybe i shouldnt go for steals with him....but if i wait until i get a good hand and steal he will prob shut down and fold....or maybe he doesnt think like that....thoughts?

If he's 3betting super wide, tighten up your steal range against him a bit, but also widen your call-3bet range when IP against him. Basically, if he's 3betting close to 100%, you shouldn't be "stealing" with anything you're not willing to call with. Ie you shouldn't have an actual steal range, it'll just be a wide value range against him.
 
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If he's 3betting super wide, tighten up your steal range against him a bit, but also widen your call-3bet range when IP against him. Basically, if he's 3betting close to 100%, you shouldn't be "stealing" with anything you're not willing to call with. Ie you shouldn't have an actual steal range, it'll just be a wide value range against him.

Thanks, could I put his 3bet percentage range in pokerstove and come up with a calling range that dominates it?....suppose I could open my PFR range up against him or any other villian in the future who has a high 3bet % especially when they are doing it protecting steals...like the idea of only calling his 3bet if I'm willing to play a pot with him and if my range beats his....how do you feel about 4betting him?...I suppose it would be the same concept...if I am willing to 3bet normally then that would also mean I can 4bet the aggro 3better right?....yeah I think that makes sense....thanks
 
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Thanks, could I put his 3bet percentage range in pokerstove and come up with a calling range that dominates it?....suppose I could open my PFR range up against him or any other villian in the future who has a high 3bet % especially when they are doing it protecting steals...like the idea of only calling his 3bet if I'm willing to play a pot with him and if my range beats his....how do you feel about 4betting him?...I suppose it would be the same concept...if I am willing to 3bet normally then that would also mean I can 4bet the aggro 3better right?....yeah I think that makes sense....thanks

I don't remember what limits you are playing, but imo you should never be bluff-4betting at anything lower than 25nl except in extreme circumstances. If he is 3betting like crazy you COULD open up your value-4bet range a bit, but make sure you pay attention to what he is showing down in 4bet pots.
 
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I don't remember what limits you are playing, but imo you should never be bluff-4betting at anything lower than 25nl except in extreme circumstances. If he is 3betting like crazy you COULD open up your value-4bet range a bit, but make sure you pay attention to what he is showing down in 4bet pots.

I'm playing 2nl....no I would never bluff 4bet, I've learned my lesson not to bluff at 2nl...yeah I would only ever 4bet AA-QQ AK if someone 3betted and there was a few callers before it came round to me, then I would 4bet to isolate/squeeze cold callers etc....but when it comes to the 3bet maniac I think I can 4bet my 3bet range against him....AA-1010 AK-AQs 77-99...and just flat his 3bet with with S/M pp's 78s-10Js AJo/s>....sound ok?
 
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Ive talked about these threads on 2p2 on this thread a few times but now Ive really started reading them and they are brilliant. Im starting at the bottom and working my way all the way up to the top. Going to read one a day before a session and isnt of reading the news in the AM. Thought Id share with you all as well. Think Im going to be doing a lot of studying poker this month as Im probs lacking with theorys and basic math

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/7.../concept-week-schedule-table-contents-397190/
 
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Ive talked about these threads on 2p2 on this thread a few times but now Ive really started reading them and they are brilliant. Im starting at the bottom and working my way all the way up to the top. Going to read one a day before a session and isnt of reading the news in the AM. Thought Id share with you all as well. Think Im going to be doing a lot of studying poker this month as Im probs lacking with theorys and basic math

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/7.../concept-week-schedule-table-contents-397190/

Thanks for the link, looks good....get yourself a 'probabilities' chart and incorporate that in with your math study...I'm going to be doing this too now, time to push it to the next level (even though we dont really need to for the micros lol)
 
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pocketehs said:
Ive talked about these threads on 2p2 on this thread a few times but now Ive really started reading them and they are brilliant. Im starting at the bottom and working my way all the way up to the top. Going to read one a day before a session and isnt of reading the news in the AM. Thought Id share with you all as well. Think Im going to be doing a lot of studying poker this month as Im probs lacking with theorys and basic math

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/7.../concept-week-schedule-table-contents-397190/
I always forget to keep reading those threads, thanks for bring that back gona start reading too. Starting from bottom topics looks ok because are the oldest.
 
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Just out of interest, how many tables are people playing in here? I've always played like 10+ FR, up to 24 at one point lol, I kinda skipped the building up number of tables thing, just bought TN, HEM and jumped right in at 12 lol
 
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Just out of interest, how many tables are people playing in here? I've always played like 10+ FR, up to 24 at one point lol, I kinda skipped the building up number of tables thing, just bought TN, HEM and jumped right in at 12 lol

somewhere between 6-10. I would play more but with my HUD at FR its so hard to see my cards cause the tables are just cluttered with the HUD. I guess I could always make my font size like 7...
 
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Playing 12 stacked tables of 6max at 5nl right now but I wont be able to play so many at higher stakes, was thinking of doing like 8-9 tables at 10nl and 6 tables at 16nl.
 
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9 is my comfort zone, need to cut to 6 if get on skype or doing other stuff.
 
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I can play 4 (tiled) comfortably now. I've tried 6 but get panicky when I get 3 good hands/flops happening at the same time. I know that if I play 2 or less now that I can get distracted by coming on here or trying to watch poker vids at the same time. Definitely not +EV.
 
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Yeah. Definitely try to stay away from multitasking while playing. Always less +EV than just playing. I'm convinced that if I hadn't started off multitasking while playing, I'd be a much better player by now. :eek:
 
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Awkward spot that I butchered at basically every opportunity.

Cake Poker, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $13.32 (133.2 bb)
SB: $9.75 (97.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $23.88 (238.8 bb)
UTG: $10.33 (103.3 bb)
MP: $11.51 (115.1 bb)
CO: $15.06 (150.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6
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A
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2 folds, CO calls $0.10, BTN folds, SB completes, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.30) 6
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6
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8
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(3 players)
SB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, CO calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.90) K
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(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.60, CO calls $0.60, SB calls $0.60

River: ($2.70) 2
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(3 players)
SB bets $1.35, Hero raises to $3.55, 2 folds

Results: $5.40 pot ($0.36 rake)
Final Board: 6
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6
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8
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K
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2
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SB mucked and lost (-$2.25 net)
Hero mucked 6
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and won $5.04 ($2.79 net)
CO mucked and lost (-$0.90 net)


CO is a 40/7 terribad
SB is 18/14 semi-bad reg.

PF can go either way. A8 is my usual CO vs. limpers from the blinds, but given how awful the CO is I like raising as well.

Flop is stupid. I really want to keep the fish in the hand because he is that bad. I think I like minraising here.

Bet more on turn, LDO. I'm such a fish

Now this is where it gets really interesting. I'm not sure the SB calls with worse when I raise, but the CO snaps with 6x imo. But given that I hate life and want to puke if SB raises I really hate my raise here. Again maybe a minraise? I don't think there's anything in his value range that folds to a minraise.

Any thoughts?

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Agree 100% with your analysis, personally don't think I raise pre, just cause we don't have position on the fish, but doubt that checking or raising are very different in terms of EV.

River is kinda gross. I think the river raise is fine, size and all, given how the hand played out. A little smaller could be good I guess, but don't think I'd go as small as a min-raise. I think we miss value by min-raising the river.
 
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No time to look at the hands right this second, sorry pocket, but in reference to your graph: it's only 22k hands, so pretty impossible to say whether the middle section is a heater, whether the breakeven/downswinging parts were cool stretches, or, more likely, some combination. 22k hands isn't enough to give a reliable win-rate, so you can't really know. But it looks like overall you are crushing, so don't worry too much about it and just keep studying and grinding hard.
 
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thanks scourrge. Will do.

I just binked one of those Sunday Storm sattys. Can someone explain how I can sell my ticket? :)
 
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Also, what do we think about this hand? Turn brings a 3rd heart. I bet 60% I think willing to call it off but wont be happy about it. Good sizing or do you prefer a check?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

MP1 ($1.42)
MP2 ($2)
Villain (CO) ($3.35)
Hero (Button) ($2.50)
SB ($1.25)
BB ($2)
UTG ($4.30)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 2
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, 2
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3 folds, Villain bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.06, SB calls $0.05, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.20) 2
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, 6
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, 8
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(3 players)
SB bets $0.06, Villain raises to $0.25, Hero raises to $0.76, 1 fold, Villain calls $0.51

Turn: ($1.78) K
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(2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $1.02, 1 fold

Total pot: $1.78 | Rake: $0.06
 
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thanks scourrge. Will do.

I just binked one of those Sunday Storm sattys. Can someone explain how I can sell my ticket? :)

Unregister from the tournament, that will put the T$ in your account. Stars has a special menu option for selling T$, so just find osmeone that wants to buy it, agree on a price, and enter the details in the software and it's done.
 
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pocketehs said:
thanks scourrge. Will do.

I just binked one of those Sunday Storm sattys. Can someone explain how I can sell my ticket? :)
Make sure you unregister from the game (when you win the satty you automatic get register to the sunday storm game).

Offer your T$ here http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/6...l-w-t-here-291728/index1553.html#post36566025

I sell my tickets for 99% value so $10.90 for T$11

Just post "i sell T$11 for $10.90 (or w/e amount) Pm me and initiate to "(your stars SN)"

you will get a pm on there saying the SN of the buyer, then you go to stars >> requests >> trade tournament $ >> sell tournament $

A stars window open and you fill the "sell to" (put the SN of buyer here), T$ amount (11 or the amount to sell), prize: $10.90 or prize you agree with buyer. OK and transaction is done. the $ shoul be on the cashier now.

if you are not register there then just pm me and i change you the T$ and then i sell it there doc.

Cheers
 
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