Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

Figaroo2 · Dec 13, 2015

Yuck overbet stinks of value. If he was bluffing why not make it look like a normal value bet John's Law -- if they could bluff for less it's probably value. ... Its probably 45 or a set but there's also the busted flush draw which he could play like this.
I quite like the pot control on the turn but it does open his bluffing range, we've invited a bluff so usually I'd be looking to call with my bluff catcher here its just his sizing that concerns.
As it's early in the session I might look him up for information but as we don't have too much invested we could let it go without too much damage. I'd be giving him a right good stare down looking and at his body language and if he splashed the chips in or looks back defiantly I lean towards a call.
You might be better posting this hand into the cash games forum as there are guys that play a lot more live than us in here.

John A · Dec 13, 2015

rhombus said:
Yup every day for me
Haven't played NLHE cash for a few days so decided to play $10 PLO last night
Only played 811 hands and was $72.43 down on $EV dif

1st one got it all in on flop 87% fav and they had KK and hit 2 outer on River

Anyone know how to pay badugi lol

Ugh... yeah, a lot of short term variance in PLO. It can be brutal sometimes when those flips down even out.

John A · Dec 13, 2015

Figaroo2 said:
two $109 tickets, I also have a $55 from last week as well I will use two Sunday evening. My hud doesn't seem to be picking up the tourn or the cash hands I played on a side table.

Congrats!! GL w/ the tix.

rhombus · Dec 13, 2015

John A said:
Ugh... yeah, a lot of short term variance in PLO. It can be brutal sometimes when those flips down even out.

Gotta look on the bright side played played 500 hand yesterday at PLO and only $20 below $EVDiff this time

mainly $20 pot when 75% fav.

Decided to go back to NLHE at the bottom again lol. DO you value bet the river.
Only had about 1/3 Pot bet left and only 1 hand on villain 100/100/67AG%
and if you do value bet River how much do you bet if you had more i.e. Villain had effective $2.90

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.03 (101.5 bb)
BB: $4 (200 bb)
UTG: $2.03 (101.5 bb)
MP: $2.17 (108.5 bb)
CO: $2.87 (143.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $2.08 (104 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9

K

2 folds, CO raises to $0.05, Hero calls $0.05, SB folds, BB raises to $0.08, CO calls $0.03, Hero calls $0.03

Flop: ($0.25) 4

K

Q

(3 players)
BB bets $0.20, CO calls $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.85) 6

(3 players)
BB bets $0.16, CO calls $0.16, Hero raises to $0.82, BB calls $0.66, CO folds

River: ($2.65) 7

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero ??????

John A · Dec 14, 2015

rhombus said:
Gotta look on the bright side played played 500 hand yesterday at PLO and only $20 below $EVDiff this time mainly $20 pot when 75% fav.

Decided to go back to NLHE at the bottom again lol. DO you value bet the river.
Only had about 1/3 Pot bet left and only 1 hand on villain 100/100/67AG%
and if you do value bet River how much do you bet if you had more i.e. Villain had effective $2.90

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.03 (101.5 bb)
BB: $4 (200 bb)
UTG: $2.03 (101.5 bb)
MP: $2.17 (108.5 bb)
CO: $2.87 (143.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $2.08 (104 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9

K

2 folds, CO raises to $0.05, Hero calls $0.05, SB folds, BB raises to $0.08, CO calls $0.03, Hero calls $0.03

Flop: ($0.25) 4

K

Q

(3 players)
BB bets $0.20, CO calls $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.85) 6

(3 players)
BB bets $0.16, CO calls $0.16, Hero raises to $0.82, BB calls $0.66, CO folds

River: ($2.65) 7

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero ??????

I think w/o info a check back is good. Most of his range is draw anways. If you had some info about his aggression, I don't mind a small VB to get Qx to call. Something like 1.25ish.

rhombus · Dec 14, 2015

John A said:
I think w/o info a check back is good. Most of his range is draw anways. If you had some info about his aggression, I don't mind a small VB to get Qx to call. Something like 1.25ish.

I thought a few Qx was in his range after his weird turn bet, thats why I raised to get Qx or flush draw to call. Once blankish River and his check I thought safe to bet so bet the remainding 98c

He turned over AA

To avoid calling down I've decide a few times to to take the initiative and raise rather than calling down and then fold if they 3Bet. Is this a better line in general than Call Flop, Turn and River with mediocre hand i.e. top pair weak kicker or Mid Pair good kicker etc

Also for now keeping at 1c/2c as still running like Shit and doesnt hurt much, typical hand from today I just overshoved the Turn. and obv they hit flush on river

Figaroo2 · Dec 14, 2015

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $12.09 (60.5 bb) - VPIP: 39, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 1.8, hands: 28
BB: $20.81 (104.1 bb) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 18, 3B: 20, AF: 3.0, Hands: 39
UTG: $20 (100 bb)
Hero (MP): $23.90 (119.5 bb)
CO: $24.06 (120.3 bb)
BTN: $22.32 (111.6 bb) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 39

Preflop: Hero is MP with A:club: A:diamond:
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.60, CO folds, BTN calls $0.60, SB calls $0.50, BB calls $0.40

Flop: ($2.40) 6:club: Q:club: 7:spade: (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.20, BTN calls $1.20, SB raises to $5.40, BB raises to $20.21,

2 folds, SB calls $6.09 and is all-in
Turn: ($27.78) A:spade: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($27.78) 7:heart: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: $27.78 pot ($1.38 rake)
Final Board: 6:club: Q:club: 7:spade: A:spade: 7:heart:
SB showed 8:heart: Q:heart: and lost (-$12.09 net)
BB showed 6:heart: 6:diamond: and won $26.40 ($14.31 net)

Figaroo2 · Dec 14, 2015

Come on Rhom

This zoom is easy! All the fish playing to get into a shootout that have very little chance of cashing in.
I found just floating worked wonders, opening min raises from the button, they give up much easier in smaller pots.
These poker stars calendar things are a waste of time.

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Hero (SB): $7.91 (395.5 bb)
BB: $1.43 (71.5 bb)
UTG: $5.18 (259 bb)
MP: $2.01 (100.5 bb) unknown
CO: $1.03 (51.5 bb)
BTN: $2.39 (119.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q:heart: Q:club:
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.07, CO calls $0.07, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB folds, MP calls $0.23, CO folds

Flop: ($0.69) 4:club: 4:diamond: 2:club: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.33, MP calls $0.33

Turn: ($1.35) J:spade: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1.30, Hero calls $1.30

River: ($3.95) 3:heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.08, MP calls $0.08

Results: $4.11 pot ($0.14 rake)
Final Board: 4:club: 4:diamond: 2:club: J:spade: 3:heart:
Hero showed Q:heart: Q:club: and won $3.97 ($1.96 net)
MP mucked 8:heart: 9:heart: and lost (-$2.01 net) drooler alert

rhombus · Dec 14, 2015

Figaroo2 said:
This zoom is easy! All the fish playing to get into a shootout that have very little chance of cashing in.
I found just floating worked wonders, opening min raises from the button, they give up much easier in smaller pots.
These poker stars calendar things are a waste of time.

But if i was playing that hand they would have Ace 4 off

agree with the calendar. Best one was deposit $10 and get $10 free.

Aces2w1n · Dec 15, 2015

Sorry to bust in ... I'm trying to redownload the book. I've already downloaded once so it won't let me do this again.

Any chance i can download it or get it another way?

John A · Dec 15, 2015

rhombus said:
I thought a few Qx was in his range after his weird turn bet, thats why I raised to get Qx or flush draw to call. Once blankish River and his check I thought safe to bet so bet the remainding 98c

He turned over AA

You were mainly raising to get value from draws, which were most of his range, not Qx.

To avoid calling down I've decide a few times to to take the initiative and raise rather than calling down and then fold if they 3Bet. Is this a better line in general than Call Flop, Turn and River with mediocre hand i.e. top pair weak kicker or Mid Pair good kicker etc

Also for now keeping at 1c/2c as still running like Shit and doesnt hurt much, typical hand from today I just overshoved the Turn. and obv they hit flush on river

So here's the thing, since we've talked quite a bit about raising the flop/turn on here lately. Ideally, you don't want to be doing this. Theoretically it's much better to have an understanding of what your opponents firing range will be, and call in spots where your equity vs that range makes sense to do so.

However...

If you're struggling to know that information, then a min raise in position in situations where you have narrow EV can be more profitable. This will typically allow you to take control of the hand and decide if you're betting turn /river or checking through. This can be very effective against passive players, which you will be facing at micro stakes. Opponents who can over value hands, and you're not sure yet how much they are over valuing their hand when you have a mediocre hand yourself.

I'd strive to get better at the theory part so you can understand their range better, but in the meantime it's not a bad play to min raise in position occasionally. It will be a more profitable play than calling down if you implement it correctly.

John A · Dec 15, 2015

Aces2w1n said:
Sorry to bust in ... I'm trying to redownload the book. I've already downloaded once so it won't let me do this again.

Any chance i can download it or get it another way?

Like they used to tell me in school, ask your neighbor. Is there anyone in the group that you're on skype w/ that can send it to you. I can send it to you on there, but I'm not the most timely of people lately.

Either that or signup w/ a different e-mail and it will be resent.

John A · Dec 15, 2015

Figaroo2 said:
Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $12.09 (60.5 bb) - VPIP: 39, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 1.8, Hands: 28
BB: $20.81 (104.1 bb) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 18, 3B: 20, AF: 3.0, Hands: 39
UTG: $20 (100 bb)
Hero (MP): $23.90 (119.5 bb)
CO: $24.06 (120.3 bb)
BTN: $22.32 (111.6 bb) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 39

Preflop: Hero is MP with A♣ A♦
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.60, CO folds, BTN calls $0.60, SB calls $0.50, BB calls $0.40

Flop: ($2.40) 6♣ Q♣ 7♠ (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.20, BTN calls $1.20, SB raises to $5.40, BB raises to $20.21,

2 folds, SB calls $6.09 and is all-in
Turn: ($27.78) A♠ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($27.78) 7♥ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: $27.78 pot ($1.38 rake)
Final Board: 6♣ Q♣ 7♠ A♠ 7♥
SB showed 8♥ Q♥ and lost (-$12.09 net)
BB showed 6♥ 6♦ and won $26.40 ($14.31 net)

Pretty easy abort... guy CR's a CR after the initial raiser bets MW and has a caller. Doesn't get much easier. Good fold.

Figaroo2 · Dec 15, 2015

Cold call early leak

Ok leakbuster is picking up early cold calling as a leak, no surprise to me..anyway id like a bit of feedback on this fairly typical hand

Leak Hand found and Converted by Leak Buster Poker Training Software

NL Holdem $0.25(BB) full ring.
SB ($12.17)
BB ($18.81)
UTG ($27.67)
EP ($25.6) 18/15. 25% agg (quite low) in 105 hands opens from EP 19%, bad reg not positionally aware
HERO ($25)
MP ($16.27) posts 25c 1bb
HJ ($25)
CO ($10.56)
BTN ($28.81)

Dealt to Hero 9

9

UTG Folds, EP Raises To $1.2, HERO Calls $1.2, MP Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds
OK against a 19% opening range we have 58% equity.

Flop ($2.4) 7

2

EP Bets $2, HERO Calls $2
On this flop our equity goes up to 69%. Should therefore we be raising here or is it more prudent to wait a street and see what he does?

Turn ($6.4) 7

2

K

EP Bets $4.75, HERO Folds EP wins $6.78

Equity calculator shows we should still have 60% equity here but clearly this card hits his range pretty hard. and he has low agg and yet he fires again (turn cbet 25%) Hence my fold
...but with this equity should we be folding here? Does his low agg point towards the top of his range? How much can we narrow his range by his turn cbet?
So what is best, fold, check call and call most low card rivers, or raise here on the turn?

Figaroo2 · Dec 15, 2015

similar spot

Same spot, do we raise this turn with 70% or risk the overcard on the river?
Fairly tight bad reg again positionally unaware (about 13-15% every position)
Who's folding to the K and 3rd barrel?
My equity calc is still showing us 59% so bad fold?

Figaroo2 · Dec 15, 2015

Don't let that guy Anhalt sweat you he's a jinx, lol

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $35.31 (176.6 bb) 15/10/30 in 120 hands 28% 3 bet from SB
BB: $25.13 (125.7 bb)
UTG: $10.70 (53.5 bb)
MP: $41.11 (205.6 bb)
CO: $34.91 (174.6 bb)
Hero (BTN): $24.28 (121.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K:spade: K:club:
CO posts BB OOP, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.60, SB raises to $1.72, BB folds, Hero raises to $4.52, SB calls $2.80

Flop: ($9.34) 2:club: 3:heart: 5:spade: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6.07, SB raises to $30.79 and is all-in, Hero calls $13.69 and is all-in

Turn: ($48.86) 6:diamond: (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($48.86) J:heart: (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Results: $48.86 pot ($2.44 rake)
Final Board: 2:club: 3:heart: 5:spade: 6:diamond: J:heart:
SB showed 4:club: 4:diamond: and won $46.42 ($22.14 net)
Hero showed K:spade: K:club: and lost (-$24.28 net)

Sneaky Feet · Dec 15, 2015

Figaroo2 said:
Don't let that guy Anhalt sweat you he's a jinx, lol

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $35.31 (176.6 bb) 15/10/30 in 120 hands 28% 3 bet from SB
BB: $25.13 (125.7 bb)
UTG: $10.70 (53.5 bb)
MP: $41.11 (205.6 bb)
CO: $34.91 (174.6 bb)
Hero (BTN): $24.28 (121.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K♠ K♣
CO posts BB OOP, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.60, SB raises to $1.72, BB folds, Hero raises to $4.52, SB calls $2.80

Flop: ($9.34) 2♣ 3♥ 5♠ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6.07, SB raises to $30.79 and is all-in, Hero calls $13.69 and is all-in

Turn: ($48.86) 6♦ (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($48.86) J♥ (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Results: $48.86 pot ($2.44 rake)
Final Board: 2♣ 3♥ 5♠ 6♦ J♥
SB showed 4♣ 4♦ and won $46.42 ($22.14 net)
Hero showed K♠ K♣ and lost (-$24.28 net)

I swear to god that wasn't me but that's the exact thing that I'm really trying to stop doing! Seeing it from the other side it looks super fishy. Shitty run out on that one.

rhombus · Dec 15, 2015

Hand 1. Bad Spew what about hand 2 ???

Seems to be alot of shoves preflop at this game

Hand 1 - Villain 7/7 3b 3.1 81 hands
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $4.89 (244.5 bb)
BB: $3 (150 bb)
Hero (UTG): $3.09 (154.5 bb)
MP: $2.18 (109 bb)
CO: $1.77 (88.5 bb)
BTN: $5.39 (269.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

A

Hero raises to $0.06, 3 folds, SB raises to $4.89 and is all-in, BB folds, Hero calls $3.03 and is all-in

Flop: ($6.20) 4

J

Q

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: ($6.20) 9

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($6.20) 7

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $6.20 pot ($0.22 rake)
Final Board: 4

J

Q

9

7

SB showed A

A

and won $5.98 ($2.89 net)
Hero showed K

A

and lost (-$3.09 net)

Hand 2 40/20 3b 33.5 5 hands
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $2 (100 bb)
BB: $2.20 (110 bb)
UTG: $2.01 (100.5 bb)
MP: $1.93 (96.5 bb)
CO: $2.37 (118.5 bb)
BTN: $3.78 (189 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

Q

UTG raises to $0.07, MP folds, CO raises to $2.37 and is all-in, BTN folds, Hero ??

fishinthesea · Dec 15, 2015

Hey guys, I'm back. Will be playing primarily 25nl and occasionally 50nl if anyone wants to sweat hit me up! Been working a lot on my game : )

Figaroo2 · Dec 15, 2015

Rhom Just let them both go, these are just donk value shoves, better spots to be had.....

rhombus · Dec 16, 2015

Figaroo2 said:
Rhom Just let them both go, these are just donk value shoves, better spots to be had.....

1st one definitely 2nd one what would you call with KK+ guess alot easier when at normal tables as easier to tell if theywas on Tilt

They actually shoved KK on the 2nd hand

John A · Dec 16, 2015

rhombus said:
Hand 1. Bad Spew what about hand 2 ???

Seems to be alot of shoves preflop at this game

Hand 1 - Villain 7/7 3b 3.1 81 hands
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $4.89 (244.5 bb)
BB: $3 (150 bb)
Hero (UTG): $3.09 (154.5 bb)
MP: $2.18 (109 bb)
CO: $1.77 (88.5 bb)
BTN: $5.39 (269.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

A

Hero raises to $0.06, 3 folds, SB raises to $4.89 and is all-in, BB folds, Hero calls $3.03 and is all-in

Flop: ($6.20) 4

J

Q

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: ($6.20) 9

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($6.20) 7

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $6.20 pot ($0.22 rake)
Final Board: 4

J

Q

9

7

SB showed A

A

and won $5.98 ($2.89 net)
Hero showed K

A

and lost (-$3.09 net)

Easy fold this deep. Unless they guy is just in there jamming every hand. Don't put results though.

Hand 2 40/20 3b 33.5 5 hands
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $2 (100 bb)
BB: $2.20 (110 bb)
UTG: $2.01 (100.5 bb)
MP: $1.93 (96.5 bb)
CO: $2.37 (118.5 bb)
BTN: $3.78 (189 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

Q

UTG raises to $0.07, MP folds, CO raises to $2.37 and is all-in, BTN folds, Hero ??

100 bbs, and this guy probably being a dope I think it's fine to call.

John A · Dec 16, 2015

fishinthesea said:
Hey guys, I'm back. Will be playing primarily 25nl and occasionally 50nl if anyone wants to sweat hit me up! Been working a lot on my game : )

Cool... sit in on some of our sweats. Fig is getting a bunch of free coaching from me when he's the only one in there. lol

Sneaky Feet · Dec 16, 2015

John A said:
Cool... sit in on some of our sweats. Fig is getting a bunch of free coaching from me when he's the only one in there. lol

John next week I'm on holidays so I should be able to get on the call but I'm not sure how when or what to use other than I know it's on Skype. Can you hook me up?

Figaroo2 · Dec 17, 2015

John A said:
Cool... sit in on some of our sweats. Fig is getting a bunch of free coaching from me when he's the only one in there. lol

Yeah that session went from bad to worse and lost 6bi at 20 & 25nl when on expected EV I should have lost 1.5 bi.....running turned bad very quickly. I won't post the bad beats nothing to learn there but I started tilting and shut down... I'm still a good quitter.
Feel crap though...I was building back up to 25nl and first session I get badly spanked and can't face playing now.

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