Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

rhombus · Mar 24, 2016

4 hands Call or FOLD??

Hand1 was confused with Aggressive PreFlop 37/26 but passive PostFLop 24%
Also the line CheckCall CheckCall then bet the River is usually strong. Think a Jack or hands like 66 77 or 88 would probably check call, and only hands to bet are Nuts or lots or Flush Draws
Hand2 He's committed
Hand3 Check Raise on draw heavy flop, could be messing around but kept picking up more equity. Difficult to fold at any stage here?????
Hand4 Again Check Rasie on dry FLop but this time he looks quite aggro, weak Turn, thought about raising but called, then larger River Bet

Hand1
poker stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $13.83 (138.3 bb)
BB: $10.89 (108.9 bb)37/26 3B 8.8 AG%24% 106 Hands
Hero (UTG): $10 (100 bb)
MP: $18.67 (186.7 bb)
CO: $10.64 (106.4 bb)
BTN: $9.20 (92 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A

K

Hero raises to $0.30, 4 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) J

4

2

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.41, BB calls $0.41

Turn: ($1.47) 3

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.80, BB calls $0.80

River: ($3.07) 2

(2 players)
BB bets $1.70, Hero ???????

Hand2
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $4.30 (43 bb) 20/10 AG 100% 10 Hands
BB: $19.40 (194 bb)
UTG: $29.58 (295.8 bb)
MP: $21.38 (213.8 bb)
CO: $5.65 (56.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $12.66 (126.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A

T

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, SB calls $0.20, BB folds

Flop: ($0.60) T

3

9

(2 players)
SB bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($1.80) 4

(2 players)
SB bets $1.70, Hero ??????

Hand3
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $15.56 (155.6 bb)
BB: $10.45 (104.5 bb)
Hero (UTG): $10 (100 bb)
MP: $6.46 (64.6 bb)
CO: $3.30 (33 bb)
BTN: $10.76 (107.6 bb)24/16 3B7.7 Ag36% 81 Hands

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q

K

Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 6

7

Q

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.47, BTN raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.73

Turn: ($3.15) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($6.15) 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.90, Hero ??

Hand4
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $11.37 (113.7 bb)
BB: $5.50 (55 bb)
Hero (UTG): $10.57 (105.7 bb)
MP: $11.41 (114.1 bb) 26/16 3B 11.8 AG 56% 46 Hands
CO: $10.45 (104.5 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J

J

Hero raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, 4 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 8

6

2

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, MP raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.70

Turn: ($3.15) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1, Hero calls $1

River: ($5.15) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $3.69, Hero ??????? WTF has he got

Figaroo2 · Mar 24, 2016

hand 1, I don't bet the turn now in these spots, its one and done with AK and as played a simple fold for me.

Hand 2 he has 100% agg, so just call him down with your top pair and let him hang himself. His turn sizing is "please go away" so I wouldn't.

Hand 3 is more awkward because we beat most of his draws and lose to AQ and sets. You have to call here sometimes as he will have a busted diamond draw here a fair amount. Player dependent really, 81 hands isn't a lot but id be checking to see if he has raised the flop before and what his river aggression levels are.

Hand 4
Again only 41 hands so only a guide but his vpip/pfr is fairly wide which indicates to me he likes to take flops and may like to think he can outplay people post flop. I'd put him all sets plus a bunch of suited connecting hands here.
He could have something like A8s 98s 87s or air here and just think you will have missed this flop more often than not so raised the flop.
His turn sizing is right out of the milking range though as opposed to the previous hand.
I'm leaning towards a fold on this one, he's raised the flop, not looking to push you out on the turn and bet big on the river, if he's over valuing TP or bluffing good for him.

fletchdad · Mar 25, 2016

John A said:
The guys are pretty open about who they sweat. So if someone speaks up and says they want to play and have people sweat, they usually accommodate. Ask Fig to add you to the skype group chat that everyone synches up on to sweat.

Q2 - Use a different e-mail address? That's going to be the easiest way. You can try and contact support and have them send it, but honestly just using a different e-mail address is the absolute easiest way.

Thanks on both comments. I will also be acting on both.

Figaroo2 · Mar 25, 2016

Sneaky Feet said:
Good morning gentlemen. I have a few hands that I'd like some feed back on regarding how to extract more value. I feel that I'm leaving some on the table although a couple of these hands are marginal in the first place.

1. Paired boards always leave me a little queezy..
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed)

BB ($5)
UTG ($6.89)
Hero (MP) ($11.02)
CO ($8.17)
Button ($7.56)
SB ($4.24)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A

, K

UTG raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.45, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.30
Flop: ($0.97) 8

, Q

, 7

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks
Turn: ($0.97) 7

(2 players)
UTG bets $0.95, Hero calls $0.95
River: ($2.87) 10

(2 players)
UTG bets $1.35

Total pot: $2.87

2. Aces and Jacks are definitely in villains range so?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed)
UTG ($4.76)
MP ($10.85)
CO ($5.51)
Hero (Button) ($11.85)
SB ($5)
BB ($5)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9

, 8

2 folds, CO raises to $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, 2 folds
Flop: ($0.27) 10

, K

, Q

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks
Turn: ($0.27) 6

(2 players)
CO bets $0.13, Hero calls $0.13
River: ($0.53) 7

(2 players)
CO bets $0.25
Total pot: $0.53

3. Paired board again and only a mid flush...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (5 handed)
SB ($5.02)
BB ($5.79)
Hero (UTG) ($17.99)
MP ($9.83)
Button ($5)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8

, 9

Hero raises to $0.15, MP raises to $0.45, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.30
Flop: ($0.97) 5

, 5

, 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50
Turn: ($1.97) 10

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1.35, Hero raises to $3.05, MP calls $1.70
River: ($8.07) 9

(2 players)
Total pot: $8.07

Difficult to say much without any stats or reads on the players.

Hand 1, Its always great to back into a flush as no one ever gives you credit for a flush here.
I would have carried through on my preflop aggression with a cbet on the flop here with two overcards and two back door draws. I don't really want to hand over the initiative and I can control the bet sizing on the turn or check behind.
Checking the flop is ok as well though, you open his bluffing range and he obliges,, his turn sizing is bluffy so the river bet is likely to be as well.
Although our hand is under-repped I can't see what calls if we raise on the end other than what beats us so I'm just calling on the end .

Hand 2 if I had AJ I'm betting that flop all day, Id be a little more concerned about the flush card arriving. Our hand is well disguised Id raise small on the end about $1 looking to get a call from 2 pair hands and fold to a shove.

hand 3. Even this deep I'm folding preflop, no way I'm voluntarily playing oop, without the initiative and almost certainly a large equity dog.
As played he has to be just as concerned as you about TT and flushes being out there. I'd much rather be in position here on the end..... (part of my preflop fold is so I don't have to face spots like this oop)
He has plenty of overpairs here which can't call much after your turn raise and nearly half his stack is in there already.
With him having $4.80ish behind I'm not sure what is best tbh. If you check he's probably checking back all his overpairs here.
So I'd bet $2 what I think AA and KK can call and call it off on the pot odds if he puts the rest in.

John A · Mar 25, 2016

rhombus said:
4 Hands Call or FOLD??

Hand1 was confused with Aggressive PreFlop 37/26 but passive PostFLop 24%
Also the line CheckCall CheckCall then bet the River is usually strong. Think a Jack or hands like 66 77 or 88 would probably check call, and only hands to bet are Nuts or lots or Flush Draws
Hand2 He's committed
Hand3 Check Raise on draw heavy flop, could be messing around but kept picking up more equity. Difficult to fold at any stage here?????
Hand4 Again Check Rasie on dry FLop but this time he looks quite aggro, weak Turn, thought about raising but called, then larger River Bet

Hand1
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $13.83 (138.3 bb)
BB: $10.89 (108.9 bb)37/26 3B 8.8 AG%24% 106 Hands
Hero (UTG): $10 (100 bb)
MP: $18.67 (186.7 bb)
CO: $10.64 (106.4 bb)
BTN: $9.20 (92 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A

K

Hero raises to $0.30, 4 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) J

4

2

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.41, BB calls $0.41

Turn: ($1.47) 3

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.80, BB calls $0.80

River: ($3.07) 2

(2 players)
BB bets $1.70, Hero ???????

I understand you pick up the gutter, but what hands do you think he's folding on the turn that he called w/ on the flop? I think against someone this loose, I'd tend to check the turn. I'd maybe consider firing against a more TAG/reg who was multi-tabling. But this isn't a turn that will produce a lot of folds. If I am trying to push someone off on the turn, then I'm betting larger (and I balance this w/ betting large against some of these same players w/ TP+ occasionally).

Low agg%, I'd fold the river even though it looks a bit odd.

Hand2
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $4.30 (43 bb) 20/10 AG 100% 10 Hands
BB: $19.40 (194 bb)
UTG: $29.58 (295.8 bb)
MP: $21.38 (213.8 bb)
CO: $5.65 (56.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $12.66 (126.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A

T

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, SB calls $0.20, BB folds

Flop: ($0.60) T

3

9

(2 players)
SB bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($1.80) 4

(2 players)
SB bets $1.70, Hero ??????

Shove. Worse Tx, worse 9x and sometimes even worse than that plus draws are calling.

Hand3
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $15.56 (155.6 bb)
BB: $10.45 (104.5 bb)
Hero (UTG): $10 (100 bb)
MP: $6.46 (64.6 bb)
CO: $3.30 (33 bb)
BTN: $10.76 (107.6 bb)24/16 3B7.7 Ag36% 81 Hands

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q

K

Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 6

7

Q

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.47, BTN raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.73

Turn: ($3.15) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($6.15) 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.90, Hero ??

I probably would have just bet ~ $3.2 myself, so I think that's a pretty easy call.

Hand4
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $11.37 (113.7 bb)
BB: $5.50 (55 bb)
Hero (UTG): $10.57 (105.7 bb)
MP: $11.41 (114.1 bb) 26/16 3B 11.8 AG 56% 46 Hands
CO: $10.45 (104.5 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J

J

Hero raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, 4 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 8

6

2

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, MP raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.70

Turn: ($3.15) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1, Hero calls $1

River: ($5.15) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $3.69, Hero ??????? WTF has he got

Call. He's got all pairs -33-55. His betting looks like he has a set. Flop raise, very small turn bet when he boats up, and then large river bet. With his aggression though you need to call this down. Not a high EV spot, and probably pretty close to neutral.

Sneaky Feet · Mar 25, 2016

Figaroo2 said:
Difficult to say much without any stats or reads on the players.

Hand 1, Its always great to back into a flush as no one ever gives you credit for a flush here.
I would have carried through on my preflop aggression with a cbet on the flop here with two overcards and two back door draws. I don't really want to hand over the initiative and I can control the bet sizing on the turn or check behind.
Checking the flop is ok as well though, you open his bluffing range and he obliges,, his turn sizing is bluffy so the river bet is likely to be as well.
Although our hand is under-repped I can't see what calls if we raise on the end other than what beats us so I'm just calling on the end .

Hand 2 if I had AJ I'm betting that flop all day, Id be a little more concerned about the flush card arriving. Our hand is well disguised Id raise small on the end about $1 looking to get a call from 2 pair hands and fold to a shove.

hand 3. Even this deep I'm folding preflop, no way I'm voluntarily playing oop, without the initiative and almost certainly a large equity dog.
As played he has to be just as concerned as you about TT and flushes being out there. I'd much rather be in position here on the end..... (part of my preflop fold is so I don't have to face spots like this oop)
He has plenty of overpairs here which can't call much after your turn raise and nearly half his stack is in there already.
With him having $4.80ish behind I'm not sure what is best tbh. If you check he's probably checking back all his overpairs here.
So I'd bet $2 what I think AA and KK can call and call it off on the pot odds if he puts the rest in.

Thanks for your response Fig. I ended up just calling on all 3 of these so ya, definitely lost some value. I'm working on my raise sizing on the river so your comments really help.

Like you say hand 3 was marginal and I could have been in an ugly spot. I actually should have 4bet or folded here. And considering the stakes I'm playing, fold is most likely the better option. As played I called and they flipped 64spades.

fletchdad · Mar 26, 2016

I believe I have realized my biggest weakness/leak.

I dont put people on ranges. I do to a point, but am so often surprised at what is shown down.

So, I need to bet back home on the range...............

makrarom · Mar 26, 2016

fletchdad said:
I believe I have realized my biggest weakness/leak.

I dont put people on ranges. I do to a point, but am so often surprised at what is shown down.

So, I need to bet back home on the range...............

Do you set people's ranges, based on the game you're playing and/or on the level of buy-in?

Sneaky Feet · Mar 26, 2016

makrarom said:
Do you set people's ranges, based on the game you're playing and/or on the level of buy-in?

The best recommendation that I can give is to start building ranges based first on the game (Full ring, 6max, HU) then on position at the table. UTG will/should have the tightest range, Button will/should have the widest. Blinds are a bit funky just because they're forced to put money into the pot preflop but they're typically fairly narrow depending on what position they're playing against.

Don't worry so much about stakes in the beginning because what matters most is how well you play your range in each position. Once you get that down things become a lot easier. Then you can use the knowledge you have for your range against what villain's range "should" be.

fletchdad · Mar 26, 2016

Thanks for the responses. I do put people on ranges, but I noticed that I am relying too much on the strength of my hand, or non strength as the case may be, and am calling too much when behind, and folding too much to aggression that is probably containing much more air than hands that beat my holdings.

I will try to get into some sweats and it will all be much clearer.

I play pretty much 6 max, .1/.2 for now, since I took a long break and am starting back again. I was at around 40$ and am now at a bit under 300, and am taking shots at.5 and .10nl. So its going in the right direction but my ranges are still way less than optimal.

My ranging PF I feel is fine, or at least getting better. (Except for the QQ hand I posted in HH......:-( )It may just be that I have had some incredible beats the last couple of week from shit I never saw coming, and it is more than usual. Like a hand where I 3bet with KK from the SB, and a total donkey calls after raising. Flop 7 3 9, I bet he calls turn some brick, B/C, river I get it in, he calls with 7 3. I was putting him on A7,A3,A9, maybe AA, QQ - 22 so sets always possible, I just remember (I will try to find the hand) no flushes or straights, possible, no pair on board and instead of seeing 2P I saw my KK dominating this donk. This is what I mean, I never even considered 2P somehow....

EDIT: To clarify: It is not whether this was the right way to play vs this guy, but the fact that I simply saw myself as ahead vs him, and did not range at all, if you see what I mean.

TimovieMan · Mar 26, 2016

I have another LeakBuster question for John (sorry for barging in on this thread for that), but I'm having difficulty interpreting some apparently contradictory leaks.

LeakBuster gives me these 2 critical leaks:

- Aggression too low (1.85 with 2.3-3.6 recommended)
- Not 4-betting enough (1.2% with 2-3.8 recommended - PokerTracker says my 4-bet+% is 6.02, though)

But then I find the following among my somewhat important leaks:
- 4-Bet bluffing too often
- River Aggression% too high in EP/MP/CO/BTN

General stats also indicate that my Flop, Turn, River and general Aggression% is too high.

But this goes directly against the "critical" leaks. Or are these to be interpreted differently?

rhombus · Mar 26, 2016

Figaroo2 said:
hand 1, I don't bet the turn now in these spots, its one and done with AK and as played a simple fold for me.

Hand 2 he has 100% agg, so just call him down with your top pair and let him hang himself. His turn sizing is "please go away" so I wouldn't.

Hand 3 is more awkward because we beat most of his draws and lose to AQ and sets. You have to call here sometimes as he will have a busted diamond draw here a fair amount. Player dependent really, 81 hands isn't a lot but id be checking to see if he has raised the flop before and what his river aggression levels are.

Hand 4
Again only 41 hands so only a guide but his vpip/pfr is fairly wide which indicates to me he likes to take flops and may like to think he can outplay people post flop. I'd put him all sets plus a bunch of suited connecting hands here.
He could have something like A8s 98s 87s or air here and just think you will have missed this flop more often than not so raised the flop.
His turn sizing is right out of the milking range though as opposed to the previous hand.
I'm leaning towards a fold on this one, he's raised the flop, not looking to push you out on the turn and bet big on the river, if he's over valuing TP or bluffing good for him.

John A said:
I understand you pick up the gutter, but what hands do you think he's folding on the turn that he called w/ on the flop? I think against someone this loose, I'd tend to check the turn. I'd maybe consider firing against a more TAG/reg who was multi-tabling. But this isn't a turn that will produce a lot of folds. If I am trying to push someone off on the turn, then I'm betting larger (and I balance this w/ betting large against some of these same players w/ TP+ occasionally).

Low agg%, I'd fold the river even though it looks a bit odd.

Shove. Worse Tx, worse 9x and sometimes even worse than that plus draws are calling.

I probably would have just bet ~ $3.2 myself, so I think that's a pretty easy call.

Call. He's got all pairs -33-55. His betting looks like he has a set. Flop raise, very small turn bet when he boats up, and then large river bet. With his aggression though you need to call this down. Not a high EV spot, and probably pretty close to neutral.

Thanks for replies guys. Good insight as always
I actually lost all 4 Hands and were the only losers over 30bbs, just wondering if it was possible to get away with which ones and whether just unlucky.

Think overall maybe only 1st one and other ones I played OK

Hand 1 AK - This is the one I could have got away with
Actually called the River as I thought alot of flush draws in his Range especialy as I didnt have any blockers.
He had 6c2c so was reasonable call down once they had called Preflop(which was the odd bit)

Hand2 ATs
I min raised his turn bet which put him all in as I figured he had more worse hands than good hands and he didnt have much left. If he was deeper then probabaly call the best.
He called with JJ

Hand3 KQs
I did Call
He had 66 for flopped Set

Hand4 JJ
Called again
He had 22

rhombus · Mar 26, 2016

Just one from tonight which I made a mistake. I remebered when we were talking other week about better to call midpocket pairs from the blind against late openers.

Im assuming in general its just a case of call flop call turn and depending fold if they bet River especially if an Ace or King. I actually folded the turn which i think was big mistake, unless they was tight passive, 14/4 20% agg etc.

Villain was 50/50 100Ag% only 2 hands so not very reliable

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $10.66 (106.6 bb)
UTG: $22.89 (228.9 bb)
MP: $31.15 (311.5 bb)
CO: $10.98 (109.8 bb)
BTN: $9.51 (95.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8

8

3 folds, BTN raises to $0.40, SB folds, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.85) 5

Q

2

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.85) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1, Hero folds

Results: $1.85 pot ($0.08 rake)
Final Board: 5

Q

2

3

Hero mucked 8

8

and lost (-$0.90 net)
BTN mucked and won $1.77 ($0.87 net)

or3o1990 · Mar 26, 2016

Got myself into a tough spot on the turn here.

iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 165.68 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 80)
Hero (SB): 99.89 BB
BB: 75 BB
UTG: 124.9 BB (VPIP: 31.03, PFR: 6.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 58)
UTG+1: 29 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 116.61 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
MP+1: 28.45 BB (VPIP: 30.39, PFR: 9.80, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 102)
CO: 75.85 BB (VPIP: 15.63, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 32)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♣ K♥

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, fold, BTN raises to 5 BB, Hero raises to 16 BB, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 11 BB

Flop: (35 BB, 2 players) 2♠ 4♦ 4♣
Hero bets 18 BB, BTN calls 18 BB

Turn: (71 BB, 2 players) J♦
Hero checks, BTN bets 71 BB, Hero??

Figaroo2 · Mar 26, 2016

or3o1990 said:
Got myself into a tough spot on the turn here.

iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players

BTN: 165.68 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 80)
Hero (SB): 99.89 BB
BB: 75 BB
UTG: 124.9 BB (VPIP: 31.03, PFR: 6.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 58)
UTG+1: 29 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 116.61 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
MP+1: 28.45 BB (VPIP: 30.39, PFR: 9.80, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 102)
CO: 75.85 BB (VPIP: 15.63, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 32)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♣ K♥

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, fold, BTN raises to 5 BB, Hero raises to 16 BB, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 11 BB

Flop: (35 BB, 2 players) 2♠ 4♦ 4♣
Hero bets 18 BB, BTN calls 18 BB

Turn: (71 BB, 2 players) J♦
Hero checks, BTN bets 71 BB, Hero??

I'd fold, hes saying he can beat jacks. I'm not getting stacked with 1 pair here.
He is a tight 3 bettor at 3.57 so when he isolates here I'd believe him and just fold pre. The wide vpip/pfr means he likes to call but here he is raising against an utg limp.
Also as played I'd bet the flop bigger as a 1 and done.
In fact thinking about it, without any back doors I might even just give up immediately, we went for a steal and it went wrong and we missed the flop. You were actually fortunate to hit one of your 6 probably dirty outs anyway.

Figaroo2 · Mar 26, 2016

rhombus said:
Just one from tonight which I made a mistake. I remebered when we were talking other week about better to call midpocket pairs from the blind against late openers.

Im assuming in general its just a case of call flop call turn and depending fold if they bet River especially if an Ace or King. I actually folded the turn which i think was big mistake, unless they was tight passive, 14/4 20% agg etc.

Villain was 50/50 100Ag% only 2 hands so not very reliable

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $10.66 (106.6 bb)
UTG: $22.89 (228.9 bb)
MP: $31.15 (311.5 bb)
CO: $10.98 (109.8 bb)
BTN: $9.51 (95.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8

8

3 folds, BTN raises to $0.40, SB folds, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.85) 5

Q

2

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.85) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1, Hero folds

Results: $1.85 pot ($0.08 rake)
Final Board: 5

Q

2

3

Hero mucked 8

8

and lost (-$0.90 net)
BTN mucked and won $1.77 ($0.87 net)

I gave him a 30% opening range from the button against your 88 on this flop we are well in front and the turn card changes little.

or3o1990 · Mar 26, 2016

Figaroo2 said:
I'd fold, hes saying he can beat jacks. I'm not getting stacked with 1 pair here.
He is a tight 3 bettor at 3.57 so when he isolates here I'd believe him and just fold pre. The wide vpip/pfr means he likes to call but here he is raising against an utg limp.
Also as played I'd bet the flop bigger as a 1 and done.
In fact thinking about it, without any back doors I might even just give up immediately, we went for a steal and it went wrong and we missed the flop. You were actually fortunate to hit one of your 6 probably dirty outs anyway.

Looking at the sizing I thought he was saying go away. But looking at the big picture he was clearly strong. I got stacked by jj. I like not 3betting a seemingly tight player better than not continuing on the flop. I thought he was isolating because of his sizing but if I had put all of the pieces together I would have realized that is was more likely that he was just strong.

John A · Mar 28, 2016

TimovieMan said:
I have another LeakBuster question for John (sorry for barging in on this thread for that), but I'm having difficulty interpreting some apparently contradictory leaks.

LeakBuster gives me these 2 critical leaks:

- Aggression too low (1.85 with 2.3-3.6 recommended)
- Not 4-betting enough (1.2% with 2-3.8 recommended - PokerTracker says my 4-bet+% is 6.02, though)

But then I find the following among my somewhat important leaks:
- 4-Bet bluffing too often
- River Aggression% too high in EP/MP/CO/BTN

You're not 4-betting enough, but when you do, your 4-bet bluffs aren't ideal. I think that's a step 8 leak if I'm correct. So it's giving you a chance to look at your failed attempts.

Agg% and AF are slightly different. It doesn't happen often, but one can be low and the other high individually if your blind play is really passive. I'd assume overall AF is low, but individual agg% is higher in each area outside of the blinds because AF is just super low in blind play. I'd pay attention mostly to agg% by position and by street. This is all just an indication that you need to attempt to balance a little bit, even at micro with sometimes checking top pair into more aggressive opponents, etc... I'm going to be adding some extra language in upcoming versions so if something like that came up, it would be more clear.
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John A · Mar 28, 2016

rhombus said:
Just one from tonight which I made a mistake. I remebered when we were talking other week about better to call midpocket pairs from the blind against late openers.

Im assuming in general its just a case of call flop call turn and depending fold if they bet River especially if an Ace or King. I actually folded the turn which i think was big mistake, unless they was tight passive, 14/4 20% agg etc.

Villain was 50/50 100Ag% only 2 hands so not very reliable

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $10.66 (106.6 bb)
UTG: $22.89 (228.9 bb)
MP: $31.15 (311.5 bb)
CO: $10.98 (109.8 bb)
BTN: $9.51 (95.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8

8

3 folds, BTN raises to $0.40, SB folds, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.85) 5

Q

2

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.85) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1, Hero folds

Results: $1.85 pot ($0.08 rake)
Final Board: 5

Q

2

3

Hero mucked 8

8

and lost (-$0.90 net)
BTN mucked and won $1.77 ($0.87 net)

I'd call him down at that price. Especially with all the draws he could have picked up on the turn including AK hands firing again.

John A · Mar 28, 2016

or3o1990 said:
Got myself into a tough spot on the turn here.

iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 165.68 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 80)
Hero (SB): 99.89 BB
BB: 75 BB
UTG: 124.9 BB (VPIP: 31.03, PFR: 6.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 58)
UTG+1: 29 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 116.61 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
MP+1: 28.45 BB (VPIP: 30.39, PFR: 9.80, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 102)
CO: 75.85 BB (VPIP: 15.63, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 32)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♣ K♥

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, fold, BTN raises to 5 BB, Hero raises to 16 BB, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 11 BB

Flop: (35 BB, 2 players) 2♠ 4♦ 4♣
Hero bets 18 BB, BTN calls 18 BB

Turn: (71 BB, 2 players) J♦
Hero checks, BTN bets 71 BB, Hero??

I like how you played it. FR at Bovada, These guys like to float these boards and do stupid things on the turn. Also, 2 limps, and he raises on the button, and you give him a reasonable 3-bet size to call. He's going to have a lot of hands. I wouldn't be surprised to see AQ/AK/JT, and how knows what else. If he has QQ+, then good for him. Hopefully it's not AJ lol. I think you need to go w/ what you were seeing. I think stacking off here is ok. It's not ideal, but if you put JJ+ and some floating hands and over played value hands I think you can call for the price.

or3o1990 · Mar 28, 2016

John A said:
I like how you played it. FR at Bovada, These guys like to float these boards and do stupid things on the turn. Also, 2 limps, and he raises on the button, and you give him a reasonable 3-bet size to call. He's going to have a lot of hands. I wouldn't be surprised to see AQ/AK/JT, and how knows what else. If he has QQ+, then good for him. Hopefully it's not AJ lol. I think you need to go w/ what you were seeing. I think stacking off here is ok. It's not ideal, but if you put JJ+ and some floating hands and over played value hands I think you can call for the price.

He actually ended up having JJ lol. But the sizing seemed like he wanted a fold not a call so I pretty much snapped. I'm not totally content with how I sized up my opponent though. I was thinking he was isolating the fish (like a reg would) and really he was just raising with a tight value range (like a fish would). I weighted my decision to 3bet this guy mostly based on the idea that he was just isolating the fish and much less so on his stats. I could have put the pieces together a bit better I think.

John A · Mar 28, 2016

or3o1990 said:
He actually ended up having JJ lol. But the sizing seemed like he wanted a fold not a call so I pretty much snapped. I'm not totally content with how I sized up my opponent though. I was thinking he was isolating the fish (like a reg would) and really he was just raising with a tight value range (like a fish would). I weighted my decision to 3bet this guy mostly based on the idea that he was just isolating the fish and much less so on his stats. I could have put the pieces together a bit better I think.

I think you played it ok. I mean yes, he has some fishy stats in your sample. And yes, he will have a more heavily weighted value range rather than ISO range. But he will still have some ISO range in there. Because of his stats it makes it close, but I don't think it was bad getting it in there honestly. If he showed up with AK you'd be saying something different.

or3o1990 · Mar 28, 2016

John A said:
I think you played it ok. I mean yes, he has some fishy stats in your sample. And yes, he will have a more heavily weighted value range rather than ISO range. But he will still have some ISO range in there. Because of his stats it makes it close, but I don't think it was bad getting it in there honestly. If he showed up with AK you'd be saying something different.

Thanks and you're right. If he had AK I wouldn't have given the hand a second glance.

John A · Mar 29, 2016

Who will be on the sweat today? 1:30pm PST

Figaroo2 · Mar 29, 2016

Ive just got in and should be ok

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