Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

4 hands from tonight

Hand 1 - When you 3Bet AA IP and flop contains a high Pair JJ/QQ/KK, is there anypoint betting when checked to. Only reason I can see is to protect against a flush draw.

Hand 2 - Could I have avoided getting stacked here??? NOt sure how I could have played it. As i was going to call a bet on River if I checked, I might as well bet myself

Hand 3 - Was this a nitty fold on the Turn, when I got raised on flop I thought he might have alot of draws so decided to call but when he led turn I decided to let it go.

Hand 4 - think I got completely Pwned !!!!!!!!
As so many draws missed and as I'm likely to hold an Ace and would check River with an Ace. I thought he either had an 8 or Missed draw, and unlikely to have an Ace as likely to check back with one unless he had something like A8. Is this thinking ok???


Hand1
poker stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $11.17 (111.7 bb)
BB: $14.59 (145.9 bb)
UTG: $13.85 (138.5 bb)
MP: $11.70 (117 bb)
CO: $11.20 (112 bb)26/13 A16% 31 Hands
Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A A
2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, CO calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.15) J J 9 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.15) 4 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $1.20, CO calls $1.20

River: ($4.55) 6 (2 players)
CO bets $2.17, Hero calls $2.17

Results: $8.89 pot ($0.40 rake)
Final Board: J J 9 4 6
CO showed Q A and lost (-$4.37 net)
Hero showed A A and won $8.49 ($4.12 net)

Hand2
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $10.05 (100.5 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG: $63.62 (636.2 bb)
MP: $17.57 (175.7 bb)
CO: $27.43 (274.3 bb)[/b]22/22 33% AG 32 Hands
BTN: $13.58 (135.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J

J

2 folds, CO raises to $0.25, BTN folds, Hero raises to $1, BB folds, CO calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.10) 2

8

9

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.20, CO calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.50) 4

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.80, CO calls $2.80

River: ($10.10) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $5.05 and is all-in, CO calls $5.05

Results: $20.20 pot ($0.91 rake)
Final Board: 2

8

9

4

6

Hero showed J

J

and lost (-$10.05 net)
CO showed 8

8

and won $19.29 ($9.24 net)

Hand 3

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $15.53 (155.3 bb)
BB: $10.15 (101.5 bb) 19/15 AG 37% 130 Hands
UTG: $3.14 (31.4 bb)
MP: $18.20 (182 bb)
CO: $21.07 (210.7 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J

T

4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60) 6

2

J

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.37, BB raises to $1.37, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($3.34) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2.45, Hero folds

Results: $3.34 pot ($0.15 rake)
Final Board: 6

2

J

4

Hero mucked J

T

and lost (-$1.67 net)
BB mucked and won $3.19 ($1.52 net)

Hand 4

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $35.59 (355.9 bb)
BB: $32.79 (327.9 bb)
UTG: $10.48 (104.8 bb)
Hero (MP): $10.69 (106.9 bb)
CO: $9.66 (96.6 bb)50/0 2Hands
BTN: $14.22 (142.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q

Q

UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 8

8

5

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, CO calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.75) J

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, CO calls $1.30

River: ($4.35) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

Sorry... ubber busy weekend. I'll go over some of these hands as soon as I can.

I'll be heading out to play a couple of events next week. If anyone is interested in taking a piece of one of the tourney's, I posted a staking post up on CC as well.

John A said:

Sorry... ubber busy weekend. I'll go over some of these hands as soon as I can.
I'll be heading out to play a couple of events next week. If anyone is interested in taking a piece of one of the tourney's, I posted a staking post up on CC as well.

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Delighted I've withdrawn a 100 off my role for 4% as requested in the staking thread. I'll talk later re the transfer.

I haven't had any feedback from anyone on the two QQ hands posted recently.

One of the spots I'm spewing is TT JJ QQ in three bet pots with the low flop I just never seem to know where I stand and am almost certainly folding too much.
I'll dig out a few more examples.

rhombus said:

I wasn't sure about the sizing on the flop. Bet just under half $1.40 into $3 but then Bet turn as well, should I have backed off???


[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $10.46 (104.6 bb)
BB: $9.70 (97 bb)
UTG: $8.93 (89.3 bb)
MP: $9 (90 bb)
CO: $20.47 (204.7 bb)
BTN: $22.72 (227.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A♥ Q♠
2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.30, BB folds, CO calls $1, BTN folds

Flop: ($3) T♦ T♥ T♣ (2 players)
Hero bets $1.40, CO calls $1.40

Turn: ($5.80) 3♠ (2 players)
Hero bets $2.60, CO folds

[spoil]Results: $5.80 pot ($0.26 rake)
Final Board: T♦ T♥ T♣ 3♠
Hero mucked A♥ Q♠ and won $5.54 ($2.84 net)
CO mucked and lost (-$2.70 net)
[/spoil][/hand_history][/converted_hand]

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Flop bet is fine. I'm probably c/cing the turn though. I think you can get worse Ax to bet and even Kx and other garbage. I don't think small pairs are folding out enough or AK unless you bet 3.8+ and overall in their range there's going to be worse hands.

rhombus said:

Think I played this bad OOP. Is this one of those situations where you check the flop especially as you have the King Hearts or soes that not make any difference.

As played should I have Bet Turn, or Check Turn and Call River
[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
BB: $15.34 (153.4 bb)
UTG: $10 (100 bb) 36/32 50% Agg 25 hands
MP: $2.74 (27.4 bb)
Hero (CO): $10 (100 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K♥ A♣
UTG raises to $0.30, MP folds, Hero raises to $1.05, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.25) A♥ 2♦ J♥ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.43, UTG calls $1.43

Turn: ($5.11) Q♦ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($5.11) 3♦ (2 players)
UTG bets $3.10, Hero ???

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Looks good.Not loving it, but calling the river. He'll probably have enough worse busted draws and AT considering his 36%. If he was a reg you're folding the river. It's probably about a neutral call on the river and in these spots I'll take the info I get and make notes.

Figaroo2 said:

Delighted I've withdrawn a 100 off my role for 4% as requested in the staking thread. I'll talk later re the transfer.

I haven't had any feedback from anyone on the two QQ hands posted recently.

One of the spots I'm spewing is TT JJ QQ in three bet pots with the low flop I just never seem to know where I stand and am almost certainly folding too much.
I'll dig out a few more examples.

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Cool... sent you info on skype. I'm playing 2-3 events only. Time wise it's just not going to work out for more. Really even tough to get these in this year. Just too much going on. I want to play more though because I'm in a real good place w/ my game right now and just reading and seeing things very well.

This is where I'm at on here:

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-staking-64/john-a-wsop-packin-heat-293377/

rhombus said:

4 Hands from tonight

Hand 1 - When you 3Bet AA IP and flop contains a high Pair JJ/QQ/KK, is there anypoint betting when checked to. Only reason I can see is to protect against a flush draw.

Hand 2 - Could I have avoided getting stacked here??? NOt sure how I could have played it. As i was going to call a bet on River if I checked, I might as well bet myself

Hand 3 - Was this a nitty fold on the Turn, when I got raised on flop I thought he might have alot of draws so decided to call but when he led turn I decided to let it go.

Hand 4 - think I got completely Pwned !!!!!!!!
As so many draws missed and as I'm likely to hold an Ace and would check River with an Ace. I thought he either had an 8 or Missed draw, and unlikely to have an Ace as likely to check back with one unless he had something like A8. Is this thinking ok???


Hand1
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $11.17 (111.7 bb)
BB: $14.59 (145.9 bb)
UTG: $13.85 (138.5 bb)
MP: $11.70 (117 bb)
CO: $11.20 (112 bb)26/13 A16% 31 Hands
Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A

A

2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, CO calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.15) J

J

9

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.15) 4

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $1.20, CO calls $1.20

River: ($4.55) 6

(2 players)
CO bets $2.17, Hero calls $2.17

Results: $8.89 pot ($0.40 rake)
Final Board: J

J

9

4

6

CO showed Q

A

and lost (-$4.37 net)
Hero showed A

A

and won $8.49 ($4.12 net)

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The only point is to get value from weaker hands? Most people will call the flop pretty light in those kinds of spots. I don't mind checking the flop sometimes in these spots too against more aggressive opponents who will either bluff 2 streets or can be goaded into bad calls.

Hand2
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $10.05 (100.5 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG: $63.62 (636.2 bb)
MP: $17.57 (175.7 bb)
CO: $27.43 (274.3 bb)[/b]22/22 33% AG 32 Hands
BTN: $13.58 (135.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J

J

2 folds, CO raises to $0.25, BTN folds, Hero raises to $1, BB folds, CO calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.10) 2

8

9

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.20, CO calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.50) 4

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.80, CO calls $2.80

River: ($10.10) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $5.05 and is all-in, CO calls $5.05

Results: $20.20 pot ($0.91 rake)
Final Board: 2

8

9

4

6

Hero showed J

J

and lost (-$10.05 net)
CO showed 8

8

and won $19.29 ($9.24 net)

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vs a reg in a 3-bet pot on this kind of texture I tend to check the turn a lot. Reason being is my hands is ok, but not great. There can be some floats, so it helps balance my checking range, and I'm not worried about a ton of free cards. I'd prefer to pot control if possible. Against weaker players, I like bet/bet/bet.

Hand 3

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $15.53 (155.3 bb)
BB: $10.15 (101.5 bb) 19/15 AG 37% 130 Hands
UTG: $3.14 (31.4 bb)
MP: $18.20 (182 bb)
CO: $21.07 (210.7 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J

T

4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60) 6

2

J

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.37, BB raises to $1.37, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($3.34) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2.45, Hero folds

Results: $3.34 pot ($0.15 rake)
Final Board: 6

2

J

4

Hero mucked J

T

and lost (-$1.67 net)
BB mucked and won $3.19 ($1.52 net)

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Ya, I mean I think a lot of people will say, "well if you called the flop, the turn didn't change anything." But that's not really true. You have a fairly passive opponent from what you can tell raising, and then betting again on the turn. It's probably a marginal spot and I was going to continue against someone passive I would just bet / fold the turn again. I know I won't get shoved on w/ draws often in that spot, and I can still get value from weaker Jx, 6x, and maybe some strong mid pairs that raised the flop (because bad players do this) like 77-TT. I don't like check guessing against passive opponents who will have stronger ranges and bluff less often when I have a marginal top pair hand.

Hand 4

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $35.59 (355.9 bb)
BB: $32.79 (327.9 bb)
UTG: $10.48 (104.8 bb)
Hero (MP): $10.69 (106.9 bb)
CO: $9.66 (96.6 bb)50/0 2Hands
BTN: $14.22 (142.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q

Q

UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 8

8

5

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, CO calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.75) J

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, CO calls $1.30

River: ($4.35) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

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NH. I like how you played it. I don't think you got pawned here, and there's enough missed draws to c/c for that price. Betting isn't a more profitable play here.

fish playing every hand

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $10.49 (52.5 bb)
BB: $26.75 (133.8 bb)
UTG+1: $19.74 (98.7 bb)VPIP 91, PFR: 31, 3B: 13, AF: 2.4, Hands: 36
UTG+2: $20 (100 bb)
MP1: $18.20 (91 bb)
Hero (MP2): $20 (100 bb)
MP3: $37.98 (189.9 bb)
CO: $24.57 (122.9 bb)
BTN: $30.26 (151.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K K
UTG+1 raises to $0.40, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls $1.10

Flop: ($3.30) K Q J (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $2.47, UTG+1 calls $2.47

Turn: ($8.24) 9 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

River: ($8.24) 5 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $15.77 and is all-in,
Hero ? I should have still bet the turn this line opens his bluffing lines. Even so if he had a ten likely he's just betting the turn.
Would you fold here?

edit, we stacked this guy shortly afterwards all in pre KK v 88?!

post 4258 calling three bets

rhombus said:

Sometimes its difficult to know what you are struggling with. With me its more Post flop than preflop.
Half the time I don't even know the basics and my mind goes blank regarding When to Bet/Check/Raise/Fold/Pot Control etc

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https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cas...er-vol-i-study-group-227214/post-3054501.html

Rhom
This was your post that had your 3bet calling stats that I referred to in the hand you posted the other day.
Whilst doing a leakbuster review this morning I noticed the recommended range is up to 35% for call 3bets, you are over 40% in every stake level so something for you to consider there.

Figaroo2 said:

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cas...er-vol-i-study-group-227214/post-3054501.html

Rhom
This was your post that had your 3bet calling stats that I referred to in the hand you posted the other day.
Whilst doing a leakbuster review this morning I noticed the recommended range is up to 35% for call 3bets, you are over 40% in every stake level so something for you to consider there.

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Thanks just ran for 5c/10c 6Max Zoom, 24Leaks 27Potential 63K Hands A

When I posted stats previously I have only just started using the Leakbuster Stakes View so didn't really notice the 3Bet vs Call of 43.71. although ran stats just for this year at 48K hands and its dropped 4 points.

I think mostly its when In position as I tend to fold alot more when OOP. (is there a way to show the stat for both IP and OOP

PS i don't normally have this particular view, I have it in simple mode like myself .

Are the coloured dots underneath the BBs that I'm losing per 100hands.

Also on this particular view has anyone noticed the Cumulative stacks 6Max Graph, see below for the 4bet range graph

Last thing On this view my worst Grades are: -
Over Bet Turn D+
vs 3Bet Call% C
Turn AGG% C
Flop vs Raise Fold % C
BB Reraise Steal D+

although on Critical Leaks I have 3 which are different:-
46 - Triple Barrel F
50 - Lines - Check Call 3 Streets F
4-Bet less than AQ+/TT+ F

I did say last thing but though of another one lol

When running Leakbuster is it best to run the same stake and Game i.e. 5c/10c Zoom on its own or is it ok to mix stakes and speeds

Well John is obviously best placed to comment but calling too many 3bets is easily balanced by more 4betting. It appears however your 4bet bluffing is coming up as a critical leak so it appears you are just picking the wrong spots to 4bet.
When I first started 4 bet bluffing it was coming up as a leak for me, it just takes time to recognise the spots.
Its a combination of picking on the villains who are 3betting really wide, keeping it mainly in position, game flow and using the right hands, mainly your Axs and Kxs so that you can outflop his QQ JJ when you get called.
Its often best to 4bet immediately if you get 3bet from the blinds by a guy who is more than 8% from that position as they are often just testing you.
I don't know what the dots underneath the ranges represent, maybe John can enlighten us.

Could we play this better?

Villain is a very good reg, we tend to avoid each other. Don't think I've ever caught him 3betting me light.

Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $21.66 (216.6 bb)
BB: $3.51 (35.1 bb)
UTG+1: $13.24 (132.4 bb)
UTG+2: $6.88 (68.8 bb)
MP1: $12.79 (127.9 bb)
MP2: $12.33 (123.3 bb)
Hero (MP3): $10 (100 bb)
CO: $4.48 (44.8 bb)
BTN: $15.68 (156.8 bb)VPIP: 16, PFR: 13, 3B: 5, AF: 3.1, Hands: 3218

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J J
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, CO folds, BTN raises to $0.90, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.95) J Q T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks I keep flopping these sets on dangerous boards He has lots of AK here so I checked, once he doesn't bet I'm sure he doesn't have AK as he'd bet to protect it.

Turn: ($1.95) T (2 players) These is a great card for me so I bet reasonably big, hes calling with a lot of hands.
Hero bets $1.46, BTN calls $1.46

River: ($4.87) K (2 players) Felt like a bad card on the river though, he still has KK here, I favour a check call, I don't want to face a raise on the end. Is this just too passive here?
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.30, Hero calls $2.30

Figaroo2 said:

Villain is a very good reg, we tend to avoid each other. Don't think I've ever caught him 3betting me light.

Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $21.66 (216.6 bb)
BB: $3.51 (35.1 bb)
UTG+1: $13.24 (132.4 bb)
UTG+2: $6.88 (68.8 bb)
MP1: $12.79 (127.9 bb)
MP2: $12.33 (123.3 bb)
Hero (MP3): $10 (100 bb)
CO: $4.48 (44.8 bb)
BTN: $15.68 (156.8 bb)VPIP: 16, PFR: 13, 3B: 5, AF: 3.1, Hands: 3218

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J

J

4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, CO folds, BTN raises to $0.90, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.95) J

Q

T

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks I keep flopping these sets on dangerous boards He has lots of AK here so I checked, once he doesn't bet I'm sure he doesn't have AK as he'd bet to protect it.

Turn: ($1.95) T

(2 players) These is a great card for me so I bet reasonably big, hes calling with a lot of hands.
Hero bets $1.46, BTN calls $1.46

River: ($4.87) K

(2 players) Felt like a bad card on the river though, he still has KK here, I favour a check call, I don't want to face a raise on the end. Is this just too passive here?
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.30, Hero calls $2.30

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Agree about the Flop that villain would bet with AK, unless they had AK both spades or maybe even 1 spade and check it back. Other hands check it back with maybe 89s TT or QQ
Excellent Turn Card so bet OK to extract from alot of his range

River I would have bet as he will call with alot of Aces thinking he is splitting especially as the flush card didn't come in. Prob bet $3-$4 then puked when they shoved lol but call as its not much more and you only lose to KK/QQ or
QUADS

rhombus said:

Thanks just ran for 5c/10c 6Max Zoom, 24Leaks 27Potential 63K Hands A

When I posted stats previously I have only just started using the Leakbuster Stakes View so didn't really notice the 3Bet vs Call of 43.71. although ran stats just for this year at 48K hands and its dropped 4 points.

I think mostly its when In position as I tend to fold alot more when OOP. (is there a way to show the stat for both IP and OOP

PS i don't normally have this particular view, I have it in simple mode like myself .

Are the coloured dots underneath the BBs that I'm losing per 100hands.

Also on this particular view has anyone noticed the Cumulative stacks 6Max Graph, see below for the 4bet range graph

Last thing On this view my worst Grades are: -
Over Bet Turn D+
vs 3Bet Call% C
Turn AGG% C
Flop vs Raise Fold % C
BB Reraise Steal D+

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Those seem pretty consistent with hands you've posted. So now we know these areas of your game. How do we find the proper balance? I'd hope some of the leak buster videos can shed light on this. All of these things fit together. You're doing something a bit too much on later streets. So we'd want to eliminate the bad bluffing spots first. Let's focus on those, which I think you're getting more refined about. Wasn't it not long ago that you weren't 3-betting enough, and now you're doing it a much better rhythm and finding more profit?

although on Critical Leaks I have 3 which are different:-
46 - Triple Barrel F
50 - Lines - Check Call 3 Streets F
4-Bet less than AQ+/TT+ F

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Yeah, so these won't always relate because it matters if you're doing it in the right spots, or enough. I'll show you a quick example of how this all relates and how you can improve your game really quick if you focus on one of your top 3 leaks.

We know you're not 4-bet bluffing enough in profitable spots, and you're 3-bet calling too much. So you can cut down on that 3-bet calling, by finding those 4-bet bluffing spots (you don't have to do them much per session), and that will also in turn reduce the times you're triple barreling and check calling. Both of those will go down (albeit it slightly over time). But all those leaks relate.

I did say last thing but though of another one lol

When running Leakbuster is it best to run the same stake and Game i.e. 5c/10c Zoom on its own or is it ok to mix stakes and speeds

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If you're playing 25nl only and under, then running them all together is fine. Isolate them out in larger samples is ideal, but it's not totally necessary. If you have more mixed stake levels above 25NL, then I'd recommend you run them separately since a lot of ranges, and advice change at that point.

I'll post some more here soon also guys. I've been trying to get a lot of things done before I head out to Vegas Wednesday.

I took down a small MTT on Bovada tonight also. Nothing huge, and just playing a lot of warm up online tourneys. I've been playing extremely well I think, and I made some good plays and calls in this win tonight. I'll try and post 1 or 2 hands if I can tmw.

River sizing?

Fish off the starboard bow.

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $31.11 (155.6 bb)
BB: $27.64 (138.2 bb)
UTG+2: $8.84 (44.2 bb)
MP1: $16.02 (80.1 bb) VPIP: 35, PFR: 10, 3B: 4, AF: 2.1, Hands: 71
MP2: $12.32 (61.6 bb) VPIP: 70, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 10
Hero (MP3): $29.42 (147.1 bb)
CO: $24.35 (121.8 bb)
BTN: $19.70 (98.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q A
UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.40, MP2 calls $0.40, Hero raises to $1.15, 4 folds, MP1 calls $0.75, MP2 calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.75) J 9 2 (3 players)
MP1 bets $0.80, MP2 calls $0.80, Hero calls $0.80

Turn: ($6.15) A (3 players)
MP1 bets $1, MP2 calls $1, Hero raises to $3.57, MP1 calls $2.57, MP2 calls $2.57

River: ($16.86) 6 (3 players)
MP1 bets $2, MP2 folds,
Hero ?
Nothing really gets there for him if he was barreling draws, is there any thin value in raising, could he have 2 pair?
In hindsight my sizing looka a bit small again both preflop and on the turn.

Hand from final table last night. I open a little more than I normally would because I knew one of these 2 guys in the blinds would call lighter, especially one of them being the chip leader. Also, the SB made some plays that seemed questionable earlier in the evening.

NL Holdem $1000(BB)
BTN ($17380)
SB ($13550)
BB ($36850)
HERO ($20090)
MP ($13800)
HJ ($15430)
CO ($17900)

Dealt to Hero A:diamond: T:diamond:

HERO Raises To $(2550), MP Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Calls $(2050), BB Folds

Flop ($4600) Q:spade: 4:diamond: 4:spade:
SB Checks, HERO Checks

Turn ($4600) Q:spade: 4:diamond: 4:spade: 5:spade:
SB Checks, HERO Checks

River ($4600) Q:spade: 4:diamond: 4:spade: 5:spade: A:spade:
SB $11000 (allin), HERO Calls $11000

John A said:

Hand from final table last night. I open a little more than I normally would because I knew one of these 2 guys in the blinds would call lighter, especially one of them being the chip leader. Also, the SB made some plays that seemed questionable earlier in the evening.

NL Holdem $1000(BB)
BTN ($17380)
SB ($13550)
BB ($36850)
HERO ($20090)
MP ($13800)
HJ ($15430)
CO ($17900)

Dealt to Hero A♦ T♦

HERO Raises To $(2550), MP Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Calls $(2050), BB Folds

Flop ($4600) Q♠ 4♦ 4♠
SB Checks, HERO Checks

Turn ($4600) Q♠ 4♦ 4♠ 5♠
SB Checks, HERO Checks

River ($4600) Q♠ 4♦ 4♠ 5♠ A♠
SB $11000 (allin), HERO Calls $11000

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A Clarkmeister hand! Shoving was his best chance imo, its a tough call for you, but if he had a spade draw it makes sense for him to bet it on the turn, then a river shove has some credibility.

Figaroo2 said:

A Clarkmeister hand! Shoving was his best chance imo, its a tough call for you, but if he had a spade draw it makes sense for him to bet it on the turn, then a river shove has some credibility.

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Correct. Plus since the action has gone ch/ch all the way to the river, it's unlikely I have a high spade as well, since I would have bet the turn in position a lot. So it's more of sorting out what level thinker you have on your hands. In this case I knew pretty assuredly I had a level 2 thinker on my hands. He wasn't really thinking about what I would perceive his range to be, he was just pretty sure I didn't have a high spade, and could bluff me out of the pot. And he was correct. I didn't have one. But he didn't understand that I knew he knew this and understood both my range and his very well.

Any ways, a pretty critical hand at the final table that allowed me to go on and take it down. He had KhTh.

Alright... so I'm back now. Disappointing wsop outcome, but all we can do is make good plays and get my chips in good. Min cashing I guess is better than no cashing.

I can post a couple of hands from the tournament if you guys want, or I'm open to other discussion as well. I was thinking about writing a bit about the difference in level 2 and level 3 thinking.

John A said:

Alright... so I'm back now. Disappointing wsop outcome, but all we can do is make good plays and get my chips in good. Min cashing I guess is better than no cashing.

I can post a couple of hands from the tournament if you guys want, or I'm open to other discussion as well. I was thinking about writing a bit about the difference in level 2 and level 3 thinking.

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Nice !, you should have had a side bet with Vanessa Selbst and you would have run better

If you want ot post some hands you are struggling with I'm sure the micro guys can help you out

As for Level 2 and 3, isn't that too advanced for the Micros, is it more suitable to 50c/$1 upwards.

PS is it??? If level 1 is what you have, Level 2 what your opponents range is and Level 3 What your opponent thinks you have.

Example UTG raises and you call in the Big Blind

Flop 368 2 clubs. You check, he CBets (Bad Idea) and you Check Raise. He FOLDS

Your Hand irrelevant but its 44
You put him on AK/AQ/AJ 88+
You called and he puts you on Small/Medium Pair Suited Connectors

Once you checkraise and he doesnt have a club, he thinks you either have him beat or a big draw and too much equity to continue

Is this the idea or way off line

I'm in the CC sweat channel if anyone is on.

I know I haven't been playing well particularly last week. I got into a terribly passive fit and fold mentality.
I can tell by my redline when I'm falling back into that poor style of playing. Part of it is playing tired again after having some really tough weeks at work and then just trying to knock off the daily pyramid bonus on Stars with as little effort as possible.
I should be resting and studying and not playing so much at the moment.

I had a short sweat with John yesterday that jolted me out of it a bit he got me raising and taking it down prior to the river a bit more. I do benefit from having some one watch my play so don't be shy in shouting me up on skype.

June results by site. This is virtually all FR. It doesn't look too bad but I was $200 up after 12k of hands and have since stalled and got nowhere,
This 6% gap between vpip and pfr is still there, cannot shift it. Still have to flat call less and 3 bet more, I've been telling myself this for nearly 2 years now, why isn't it sinking in?
The W$SD% is looking a bit high. John do you have any comments on that?

Figaroo2 said:

The W$SD% is looking a bit high. John do you have any comments on that?

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according to http://www.myholdempokertips.com/hud-stats-wtsd-won-money-at-showdown

You are a NIT Bitch

W$SD is around 50-60% for most players. It will be higher for tighter players and lower for looser ones. Don’t forget that it actually shows the % of won pots but not how much money is won – a player win W$SD above 50 is not necessarily a winning one.