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John A · Jul 1, 2016

Figaroo2 said:
4wiw the set of kings hand, it went Check check on the river and he had a set of Queens. (without the Qs)
If he had shoved on the end I would probably have folded putting him on a flush/straight . I suppose he may also have been scared I could have had AsQs or AsJs here.
Power of the button.

It's all about the math in this case my friend. 🙂 Unfortunately for you, he played his hand poorly and it cost you money. He should have been way less worried about TJ than you should have been since you would have re-poped the turn.

But it's a good hand to learn from because if you would have c/fed it would have been a mistake. Not a huge one, but a big enough one to matter. If you have top set in a spot like that, you have to consider how many under sets there are and just count the combos. In real time in a spot like this you can do it pretty quick and at least get close enough to know if I'm getting close to 2:1 on a call here I have to call.

Figaroo2 · Jul 1, 2016

John A said:
It's all about the math in this case my friend. 🙂 Unfortunately for you, he played his hand poorly and it cost you money. He should have been way less worried about TJ than you should have been since you would have re-poped the turn.

But it's a good hand to learn from because if you would have c/fed it would have been a mistake. Not a huge one, but a big enough one to matter. If you have top set in a spot like that, you have to consider how many under sets there are and just count the combos. In real time in a spot like this you can do it pretty quick and at least get close enough to know if I'm getting close to 2:1 on a call here I have to call.

Yeah when he checked back the river I couldn't believe it. I've marked him as fishy. You're right apart from his turn raise I won pretty much the min on this hand.
He should have been raising pre and then it probably goes in on the flop.
As I was stepping up to 50nl it was an important hand for me. If I'd got stacked it would have been a proper knockback.

Anyway HEROCALL ALERT
Fairly easy call, 2nd hand all the draws miss and he's taking the piss.

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players

SB: $17.13 (171.3 bb)
BB: $11.01 (110.1 bb)
CO: $10 (100 bb) VPIP: 100, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, hands: 1
Hero (BTN): $10.10 (101 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A

Q

CO posts BB OOP, CO checks, Hero raises to $0.45, 2 folds, CO calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.05) Q

2

T

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $0.60, CO calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.25) 9

(2 players)
CO bets $2.10, Hero calls $2.10 NO WAY JK or a set is doing this here.

River: ($6.45) 5

(2 players)
CO bets $6.85 and is all-in, Hero calls $6.85

Results: $20.15 pot ($0.91 rake)
Final Board: Q

2

T

9

5

CO showed 9

A

and lost (-$10 net)
Hero showed A

Q

and won $19.24 ($9.24 net)

John A · Jul 1, 2016

Figaroo2 said:
Yeah when he checked back the river I couldn't believe it. I've marked him as fishy. You're right apart from his turn raise I won pretty much the min on this hand.
He should have been raising pre and then it probably goes in on the flop.
As I was stepping up to 50nl it was an important hand for me. If I'd got stacked it would have been a proper knockback.

Anyway HEROCALL ALERT
Fairly easy call, 2nd hand all the draws miss and he's taking the piss.

Yes... snap call alert. Wonder what in the world he was "thinking".

rhombus · Jul 2, 2016

OMG I just open 4 tables of Zoom and my mission was to play a small session without bluffing and just value betting.

It was one of the hardest things I have tried and I lasted about 1 minute 😛

What do you guys think. In general up to 10nl I think it could be a good strategy, maybe even 25nl. Semi bluffs are allowed 🙂🙂

Figaroo2 · Jul 2, 2016

A fish is a fish even at 50nl. is my sizing ok here, seems standard

Pacific, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $135.03 (270.1 bb)
BB: $44.35 (88.7 bb)
UTG+2: $26.44 (52.9 bb)
MP1: $24.54 (49.1 bb)
Hero (MP2): $50.70 (101.4 bb)
MP3: $13.31 (26.6 bb)
CO: $62.71 (125.4 bb)
BTN: $34.81 (69.6 bb) VPIP: 30, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.3, Hands: 30

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 2

2

2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, MP3 folds, CO calls $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, SB folds, BB calls $1

Flop: ($6.25) 9

9

2

(4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.62, CO folds, BTN calls $3.62, BB folds

Turn: ($13.49) K

(2 players)
Hero bets $10.11, BTN raises to $29.69 and is all-in, Hero calls $19.58

River: ($72.87) 6

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $72.87 pot ($3.64 rake)
Final Board: 9

9

2

K

6

Hero showed 2

2

and won $69.23 ($34.42 net)
BTN showed 8

9

and lost (-$34.81 net)

John A · Jul 3, 2016

rhombus said:
OMG I just open 4 tables of Zoom and my mission was to play a small session without bluffing and just value betting.

It was one of the hardest things I have tried and I lasted about 1 minute 😛

What do you guys think. In general up to 10nl I think it could be a good strategy, maybe even 25nl. Semi bluffs are allowed 🙂🙂

Why? I think your best strategy is just make the best decision possible. Don't box yourself in.

John A · Jul 3, 2016

Figaroo2 said:
A fish is a fish even at 50nl. is my sizing ok here, seems standard

Pacific, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $135.03 (270.1 bb)
BB: $44.35 (88.7 bb)
UTG+2: $26.44 (52.9 bb)
MP1: $24.54 (49.1 bb)
Hero (MP2): $50.70 (101.4 bb)
MP3: $13.31 (26.6 bb)
CO: $62.71 (125.4 bb)
BTN: $34.81 (69.6 bb) VPIP: 30, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.3, Hands: 30

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 2

2

2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, MP3 folds, CO calls $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, SB folds, BB calls $1

Flop: ($6.25) 9

9

2

(4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.62, CO folds, BTN calls $3.62, BB folds

Turn: ($13.49) K

(2 players)
Hero bets $10.11, BTN raises to $29.69 and is all-in, Hero calls $19.58

River: ($72.87) 6

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $72.87 pot ($3.64 rake)
Final Board: 9

9

2

K

6

Hero showed 2

2

and won $69.23 ($34.42 net)
BTN showed 8

9

and lost (-$34.81 net)

Yeah, it's ok. I probably go a little less on the turn since the K is a scare card. Your bet sizing just needs to reflect where someone's second best calling range is. So the board and your opponent is going to dictate that. If the Turn comes a 3 (some form of a brick), then just keep betting on the higher side of your turn bet sizing. If the turn is a scare card and the flop + turn probably don't have your opponent in a strong second best range, then bet smaller.

But that's good you're focusing on this and your turn sizing. It's ubber important. NH!

Figaroo2 · Jul 3, 2016

Only on 888

I can't remember if I posted this hand, just found it during a review🙂

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $70.91 (354.6 bb)
BB: $27.31 (136.6 bb) VPIP: 49, PFR: 7, 3B: 6, AF: 2.3, Hands: 99
UTG+2: $14.02 (70.1 bb)
Hero (MP1): $39.70 (198.5 bb)
MP2: $20 (100 bb) VPIP: 83, PFR: 31, 3B: 13, AF: 2.4, Hands: 36
MP3: $25.86 (129.3 bb)
CO: $20 (100 bb)
BTN: $20.45 (102.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K

K

UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to $0.57, MP2 raises to $1.65, 4 folds, BB raises to $27.31 and is all-in, Hero raises to $39.70 and is all-in, MP2 calls $18.35 and is all-in

Flop: ($74.72) 9

3

9

(3 players, 3 are all-in)
Turn: ($74.72) 5

(3 players, 3 are all-in)
River: ($74.72) 3

(3 players, 3 are all-in)

Results: $74.72 pot ($3.73 rake)
Final Board: 9

3

9

5

3

BB showed 8

8

and lost (-$27.31 net)
Hero showed K

K

and won $70.99 ($43.68 net)
MP2 showed 6

6

and lost (-$20 net)

rhombus · Jul 4, 2016

John A said:
Why? I think your best strategy is just make the best decision possible. Don't box yourself in.

Think I tried it to just cut down on bluffs as they call down way to light.

Maybe against wrong opponent, wrong board or combination of both

rhombus · Jul 4, 2016

2 quick hands from earlier
Hand1 - standard call preflop, call on Dry Flop Standard. Turn he looks very strong firing into 2 people on 2 streets and probably no fold equity on the short stack although he actually folded. Do I call or fold or shove

Hand2 think Preflop and flop call was ok but when they fired turn should have been easy fold especially as I didn't have a club. Actually just noticed his 0%Agg, but still think fold turn even if it was 40%+

Hand1

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $12.58 (125.8 bb)
BB: $13.22 (132.2 bb)26/17 3B5.6 AG41% 49 Hands
UTG: $13.55 (135.5 bb)
MP: $4.84 (48.4 bb)
Hero (CO): $14.89 (148.9 bb)
BTN: $15.70 (157 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T

T

UTG folds, MP calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, BB raises to $1.35, MP calls $1.25, Hero calls $0.95

Flop: ($4.10) 2

8

(3 players)
BB bets $1.96, MP calls $1.96, Hero calls $1.96

Turn: ($9.98) 2

(3 players)
BB bets $4.76, Hero ???

Hand2
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $11.34 (113.4 bb)20/15 AG0% 21hands
BB: $13.52 (135.2 bb)
UTG: $10 (100 bb)
MP: $2.96 (29.6 bb)
CO: $27.86 (278.6 bb)
Hero (BTN): $19.49 (194.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q

A

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB raises to $1.10, BB folds, Hero calls $0.80

Flop: ($2.30) A

T

J

(2 players)
SB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.30) 9

(2 players)
SB bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

River: ($10.30) 3

(2 players)
SB bets $3, Hero calls $3

Results: $16.30 pot ($0.73 rake)
Final Board: A

T

J

9

3

SB showed J

J

and won $15.57 ($7.47 net)
Hero mucked Q

A

and lost (-$8.10 net)

Figaroo2 · Jul 4, 2016

That was fun

3rd of 6312🙂 for 30 bucks

rhombus · Jul 4, 2016

Figaroo2 said:
3rd of 6312🙂 for 30 bucks

Nice although if you sort by Nationality I finished ahead of you 😛

Figaroo2 · Jul 4, 2016

Rhom
TT man I hate those spots, against a guy who 3bets 5.6 overall is probably 8 or 9% from the BB and his agg is 41%,
If it was HU I think you can GII on the turn against this guy you are going to be 60% fav here a fair amount.
With 3 in the hand and him leading into 2 players twice then I think we can fold the turn, what MP does will effect us here, what did he do?

AQ fold the turn, we only beat KK and ace rag and I doubt those hands are firing again.

rhombus · Jul 5, 2016

Figaroo2 said:
Rhom
TT man I hate those spots, against a guy who 3bets 5.6 overall is probably 8 or 9% from the BB and his agg is 41%,
If it was HU I think you can GII on the turn against this guy you are going to be 60% fav here a fair amount.
With 3 in the hand and him leading into 2 players twice then I think we can fold the turn, what MP does will effect us here, what did he do?

AQ fold the turn, we only beat KK and ace rag and I doubt those hands are firing again.

Hand 1. MP actually folded which was a surprise as he had put most of his stack in (started with 4.84 and only had 1.53 left)and the turn didn't change much.
Hands im beating AsKs/AsQs/AsJs/AsTs/As9s and 55,66,77,99 29 combos
Hands im losing to A2, 98s, 87s, JJ QQ KK AA 48 combos

Hand 2 def agree, need to fold these hands earlier. If I'm behind I'm way behind and drawing thin, and the few times he is barreling with worse hands I don't think it makes up for the times I throw money at him.

Figaroo2 · Jul 5, 2016

rhombus said:
Nice although if you sort by Nationality I finished ahead of you 😛

Now this is just desperation.
😛
This run was fuelled by a bunch of good hands in the BB which allowed me to pick off a lot of late position shoves. I only got it in bad once with Q9 when I was short after my KK lost to a 66 that hit a straight. The Q9 took down 4 other shovers when I hit trip 9s

grzech · Jul 5, 2016

Even today I played a very interesting tournament premier lidze- I played for 90 percent of unfolding the entrance to floop of ace, jack of spades - the flop I got two peaks - the opponents before the turn, went all-in for forcing me to risk counting on the input of the last spade on the turn and river - and it was beautiful show on the river 8 of spades - and in miraculous ways extended their game to places of paid driobnych and of course scoring
* 🙂))

Emma Hugo · Jul 5, 2016

Thanks for the book it help me a lot

John A · Jul 5, 2016

rhombus said:
Think I tried it to just cut down on bluffs as they call down way to light.

Maybe against wrong opponent, wrong board or combination of both

Yeah, so just find the sweet spot on the bluffing. You think/know you're bluffing to much, just scale it back some. Keep posting some hands you're not sure about whether you should have bluffed and we'll help you recognize some factors you might be over looking... or at least ridicule you for being a donk.

But we're all donks, so who's to judge? 😉 Although CC gave me some poker guru badge... wtf is that? I guess we should all be sitting in full lotus, talking about our inner poker dialogue.

John A · Jul 5, 2016

rhombus said:
2 quick hands from earlier

Hand 1 - Call the 2nd barrel. He shouldn't be firing here again unless he's planning on bluffing the river too or VBing, but at these stakes I think you can see enough bad turn barrels that people slow down on the river. If he bets river, fold unless you strike some gold.

Hand 2- ya, pretty standard turn fold. Pre is and flop is fine of course.

rhombus · Jul 5, 2016

John A said:
Yeah, so just find the sweet spot on the bluffing. You think/know you're bluffing to much, just scale it back some. Keep posting some hands you're not sure about whether you should have bluffed and we'll help you recognize some factors you might be over looking... or at least ridicule you for being a donk.

But we're all donks, so who's to judge? 😉 Although CC gave me some poker guru badge... wtf is that? I guess we should all be sitting in full lotus, talking about our inner poker dialogue.

Ridicule away its all a learning process.

Nice Badge, not sure if Ive seen anyone else with one 😱

rhombus · Jul 5, 2016

John A said:
Hand 1 - Call the 2nd barrel. He shouldn't be firing here again unless he's planning on bluffing the river too or VBing, but at these stakes I think you can see enough bad turn barrels that people slow down on the river. If he bets river, fold unless you strike some gold.

Hand 2- ya, pretty standard turn fold. Pre is and flop is fine of course.

Hand 1
Was kinda 50/50 on the turn and actually folded as I had a feeling he was very strong.

John A · Jul 6, 2016

Emma Hugo said:
Thanks for the book it help me a lot

Yw... you're welcome to join the thread here.

John A · Jul 6, 2016

rhombus said:
Hand 1
Was kinda 50/50 on the turn and actually folded as I had a feeling he was very strong.

Well, you should go w/ your read. W/o info I'm typically calling in that spot.

John A · Jul 9, 2016

fyi... I'm out of town for a bit. I'll try and check in when I can on here, but I'm gone for a little while.

Hope everyone is having a good summer.

Figaroo2 · Jul 13, 2016

how best to play TT here?

Pacific, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $45.43 (90.9 bb)
BB: $17.61 (35.2 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): $65.55 (131.1 bb)
MP1: $50.67 (101.3 bb)
MP2: $52.69 (105.4 bb)
MP3: $51.50 (103 bb) VPIP: 18, PFR: 12, 3B: 11, AF: 0.9, Hands: 78
CO: $68.69 (137.4 bb) VPIP: 14, PFR: 7, 3B: 3, AF: 2.6, Hands: 976
BTN: $54.09 (108.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with T

T

Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, MP3 calls $1.50, CO calls $1.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($5.25) 6

6

9

(3 players)
Hero bets $2.62, MP3 calls $2.62, CO calls $2.62

Turn: ($13.11) 4

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks

River: ($13.11) 7

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $7.83, CO folds, Hero calls $7.83

Results: $28.77 pot ($1.43 rake)
Final Board: 6

6

9

4

7

Hero showed T

T

and won $27.34 ($15.39 net)
MP3 showed K

A

and lost (-$11.95 net)
CO mucked and lost (-$4.12 net)

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