Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
Preflop I'm only playing here because its multiway I'm unlikely to get squeezed and I have the btn.
I ended up folding. It maybe a mistake but not in my view a big one.
My experience of 10nl is this is never a bluff, he has Qx or 5x. Bluffs would generally be smaller, there's no point bluff overshoving when 3/4 to full pot gets the job done just as well.
Players at this level also aren't thinking about pushing people off chops.
The question is which hand is it?
I think the flop bet into 4 players is telling. Its strong, he either has strong Qx 66 55 or 56 to bet the flop (or a very unlikely 2 pair like Q5s Q6s)
When the board flushes on the turn all Qx are likely checking, but the boats are still betting for value from made flushes, 66 55 and 56 should be betting the turn. The turn check means it can't really be 5x unless it was 55 but we know from the river card he can't have that hand. It is my view now that as played it was likely to be Qx and he's just shoving hoping a fish will pay off with a flush.
Played a short but fun live 1/2 session at my local casino over the weekend heres the debrief
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/pok...garoo2-poker-journey-257038/post-5148369.html
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John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
They aren't thinking of pushing people off chops at this level? If they are TAG or around there, I think that's a growing consideration. I also wouldn't rule out some random bluffs (but likely not many) It looks a lot like 66 or Qx. 5x doesn't make much sense unless it' 56... but still even 66 and 56, it seems pretty bad to potentially lose value by not betting the turn. If I were weighting his range it would be heavily Qx. He has no reason to think either of you are betting the river.
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Miracles can happen! Jk, we often agree.
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker HUD and Database Software
NL Holdem $0.50(BB)
SB ($53.13) [VPIP: 42.9% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 24.5% | 3-Bet: 0% | hands: 56]
BB ($68.66) [VPIP: 30.4% | PFR: 8.7% | AGG: 13.6% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 23]
UTG ($14.5) [VPIP: 56.3% | PFR: 2.1% | AGG: 19.3% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 48]
HJ ($10.75) [VPIP: 23.7% | PFR: 5.3% | AGG: 8% | 3-Bet: 6.7% | Hands: 38]
HERO ($45.4) [VPIP: 32.5% | PFR: 25.5% | AGG: 36.7% | 3-Bet: 10.9% | Hands: 3111]
BTN ($60.24) [VPIP: 25.5% | PFR: 12.8% | AGG: 23.5% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 47]
Dealt to Hero: 5:diamond: K:diamond:
UTG Calls $0.50, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $2.50, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Calls $2, UTG Calls $2
Hero SPR on Flop: [1.55 effective]
Flop ($7.75): K:club: 5:club: A:diamond:
BB Checks, UTG Checks, HERO Bets $4.53 (Rem. Stack: 38.37), BB Raises To $9.06 (Rem. Stack: 57.10), UTG Folds, HERO Calls $4.53 (Rem. Stack: 33.84)
Turn ($25.87): K:club: 5:club: A:diamond: 9:club:
BB Checks, HERO Bets $10.79 (Rem. Stack: 23.05), BB Raises To $57.10 (allin), HERO Folds
NL Holdem $0.50(BB)
SB ($53.13) [VPIP: 42.9% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 24.5% | 3-Bet: 0% | hands: 56]
BB ($68.66) [VPIP: 30.4% | PFR: 8.7% | AGG: 13.6% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 23]
UTG ($14.5) [VPIP: 56.3% | PFR: 2.1% | AGG: 19.3% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 48]
HJ ($10.75) [VPIP: 23.7% | PFR: 5.3% | AGG: 8% | 3-Bet: 6.7% | Hands: 38]
HERO ($45.4) [VPIP: 32.5% | PFR: 25.5% | AGG: 36.7% | 3-Bet: 10.9% | Hands: 3111]
BTN ($60.24) [VPIP: 25.5% | PFR: 12.8% | AGG: 23.5% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 47]
Dealt to Hero: 5:diamond: K:diamond:
UTG Calls $0.50, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $2.50, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Calls $2, UTG Calls $2
Hero SPR on Flop: [1.55 effective]
Flop ($7.75): K:club: 5:club: A:diamond:
BB Checks, UTG Checks, HERO Bets $4.53 (Rem. Stack: 38.37), BB Raises To $9.06 (Rem. Stack: 57.10), UTG Folds, HERO Calls $4.53 (Rem. Stack: 33.84)
Turn ($25.87): K:club: 5:club: A:diamond: 9:club:
BB Checks, HERO Bets $10.79 (Rem. Stack: 23.05), BB Raises To $57.10 (allin), HERO Folds
BB wins: $45.08
Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
I agree with betting turn to get value from naked Ac that is much more likely than a made flush. Something like Ac Qx is calling a significant turn bet.
With his low aggression factor I agree the turn is a fold, its clearly a flush at that point but I'm surprised he raised on the flop unless he has specifically AcQc or AcJc.
I might have looked to get this in on the flop but no harm in waiting to see turn before committing a lot of chips.
With his low aggression factor I agree the turn is a fold, its clearly a flush at that point but I'm surprised he raised on the flop unless he has specifically AcQc or AcJc.
I might have looked to get this in on the flop but no harm in waiting to see turn before committing a lot of chips.
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John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Yeah, the strange this is the small flop raise and then the turn CRAI. It's an easy fold, but really odd line to try and get any value by opponent.
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
Yes but he is already trending towards loose passive and fishy from stats. These types just love handing the initiative to aggressive players to let them do the betting. A high clubs hand with top pair and nut flush draw has so much equity on the flop even a guy as passive as this can find a small flop raise. I"m not surprised at all by its sizing.
On the turn he probably reckons betting is too strong so he checks to try and induce and then cant resist overshoving with the nuts as he gets to do it so infrequently. This is definitely the nuts.
On the turn he probably reckons betting is too strong so he checks to try and induce and then cant resist overshoving with the nuts as he gets to do it so infrequently. This is definitely the nuts.
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
If it doesn't make any sense by a micro player, and a smaller bluff could work, then usually it's the nuts. usually.
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
poker stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
SB: $11.43 (114.3 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
MP1: $11.71 (117.1 bb)VPIP: 16, PFR: 12, 3B: 5, AF: 2.8, Hands: 14385
MP2: $10.35 (103.5 bb)
MP3: $13.07 (130.7 bb)
CO: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $12.56 (125.6 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6♥ 3♥
MP1 raises to $0.20, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.20, 2 folds
This player is a regular float target, he's usually one or two and done and won't fire three without a monster
Flop: ($0.55) 7♥ Q♥ J♦ (2 players)
MP1 bets $0.13, Hero raises to $0.50, MP1 calls $0.37
Very weak draw so choose to raise this time
Turn: ($1.55) 6♣ (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.80, MP1 calls $0.80
River: ($3.15) 6♦ (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets
What sizing do you like here?
And what sizing would you use for bluffing it you choose to?
SB: $11.43 (114.3 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
MP1: $11.71 (117.1 bb)VPIP: 16, PFR: 12, 3B: 5, AF: 2.8, Hands: 14385
MP2: $10.35 (103.5 bb)
MP3: $13.07 (130.7 bb)
CO: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $12.56 (125.6 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6♥ 3♥
MP1 raises to $0.20, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.20, 2 folds
This player is a regular float target, he's usually one or two and done and won't fire three without a monster
Flop: ($0.55) 7♥ Q♥ J♦ (2 players)
MP1 bets $0.13, Hero raises to $0.50, MP1 calls $0.37
Very weak draw so choose to raise this time
Turn: ($1.55) 6♣ (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.80, MP1 calls $0.80
River: ($3.15) 6♦ (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets
What sizing do you like here?
And what sizing would you use for bluffing it you choose to?
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Still don't like the pre-call even w/ your read. People squeeze too much in spots like that now a days.
As played, I'm checking that turn almost always after the flop call. You don't want to burn the improved equity at this point. As played probably going roughly 2/3rds on river to get value from Qx and high pairs. With your read of your opponent you know he has a fairly strong hand.
On
As played, I'm checking that turn almost always after the flop call. You don't want to burn the improved equity at this point. As played probably going roughly 2/3rds on river to get value from Qx and high pairs. With your read of your opponent you know he has a fairly strong hand.
On
Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
iPoker - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
BB: 94.56 BB (VPIP: 42.53, PFR: 28.74, 3Bet Preflop: 18.92, Hands: 88)
UTG: 173.42 BB (VPIP: 21.62, PFR: 17.72, 3Bet Preflop: 9.50, Hands: 1,507)
Hero (MP): 244.36 BB
CO: 224.28 BB (VPIP: 23.73, PFR: 13.56, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 119)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.11, PFR: 22.64, 3Bet Preflop: 14.89, Hands: 415)
SB: 104.2 BB (VPIP: 26.57, PFR: 20.58, 3Bet Preflop: 7.55, Hands: 12,727)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Th Td
fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold
Flop : (7 BB, 2 players) 6c 6d 7d
SB checks, Hero bets 2.8 BB, SB calls 2.8 BB
Turn : (12.6 BB, 2 players) 2c
SB checks, Hero bets 17 BB, SB raises to 34 BB, fold
SB wins 44.28 BB
Vs a reg. I'm not sure about this fold
He prob xr 6x, so only 77 makes sense here
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
BB: 94.56 BB (VPIP: 42.53, PFR: 28.74, 3Bet Preflop: 18.92, Hands: 88)
UTG: 173.42 BB (VPIP: 21.62, PFR: 17.72, 3Bet Preflop: 9.50, Hands: 1,507)
Hero (MP): 244.36 BB
CO: 224.28 BB (VPIP: 23.73, PFR: 13.56, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 119)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.11, PFR: 22.64, 3Bet Preflop: 14.89, Hands: 415)
SB: 104.2 BB (VPIP: 26.57, PFR: 20.58, 3Bet Preflop: 7.55, Hands: 12,727)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Th Td
fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold
Flop : (7 BB, 2 players) 6c 6d 7d
SB checks, Hero bets 2.8 BB, SB calls 2.8 BB
Turn : (12.6 BB, 2 players) 2c
SB checks, Hero bets 17 BB, SB raises to 34 BB, fold
SB wins 44.28 BB
Vs a reg. I'm not sure about this fold
He prob xr 6x, so only 77 makes sense here
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Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
Was trying to put him in an awkward spot with his draws, I do this from time to time with strong pairs on drawy boards specially vs fish cause they don't care about odds.
He's a reg & has decent flop raise/check raise stats so on turn I ranged him on draws.
He might just be thinking I'm bluffing to rebluff with his draws. I'd have some semi bluffs here ofc. maybe some lower pairs as 2s,3s as well
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Ok, but he's not going to have a ton of draws here, and he's not a fish. If he's a decent reg, then he shouldn't be cold calling with hands that hit that flop very hard.
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
Pacific, $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
SB: $30.15 (100.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $34 (113.3 bb)
UTG+1: $34.29 (114.3 bb)
UTG+2: $57.89 (193 bb)VPIP: 16, PFR: 13, 3B: 6, AF: 2.4, Hands: 6548
MP1: $30 (100 bb)
MP2: $19.52 (65.1 bb)
MP3: $30 (100 bb)
CO: $20.23 (67.4 bb)
BTN: $24.71 (82.4 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 7♠ 6♠
UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to $0.80, 3 folds, CO calls $0.80, BTN calls $0.80, SB folds, Hero calls $0.50
Flop: ($3.35) 5♥ 7♦ 7♥ (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $2.23, 2 folds, Hero raises to $6.69, UTG+2 calls $4.46
Turn: ($16.73) 2♥ (2 players) meh don't like this card.
Hero bets? How much?
SB: $30.15 (100.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $34 (113.3 bb)
UTG+1: $34.29 (114.3 bb)
UTG+2: $57.89 (193 bb)VPIP: 16, PFR: 13, 3B: 6, AF: 2.4, Hands: 6548
MP1: $30 (100 bb)
MP2: $19.52 (65.1 bb)
MP3: $30 (100 bb)
CO: $20.23 (67.4 bb)
BTN: $24.71 (82.4 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 7♠ 6♠
UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to $0.80, 3 folds, CO calls $0.80, BTN calls $0.80, SB folds, Hero calls $0.50
Flop: ($3.35) 5♥ 7♦ 7♥ (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $2.23, 2 folds, Hero raises to $6.69, UTG+2 calls $4.46
Turn: ($16.73) 2♥ (2 players) meh don't like this card.
Hero bets? How much?
Ian the Fish
Visionary
Silver Level
Interesting decision to raise the flop (I think it's interesting, anyhow), because I would have called and let him dig his own grave. The only hand that beats you there really is a 55.
The way you played it, I would bet a little less than a half pot on the turn. With the idea that if he raises, you can come up with a fold + if called, you give him a chance to miss again.
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Think with the raise position and the fact they bet into multiple players, I like the CR on the flop. I'd go just about half pot on the turn. It's more about potentially killing your action, so you can go slightly under half pot.
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
I bet $8 and he folded. As I bet I thought 'what am I going to do if I get raised?'
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Yeah, I like about $7. With someone this tight, you can fold. Your range is heavily draw based, so if you bet and get raised on the turn, assuming he's not some next level Ivey, you can fold even though you're giving yourself great odds. He shouldn't be raising his big pairs, even with hearts, and there's really no worse 7x.
Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
iPoker - €0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
Hero (BB): 224.4 BB
UTG: 51.55 BB (VPIP: 57.55, PFR: 6.60, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 106)
CO: 111.8 BB (VPIP: 31.23, PFR: 20.86, 3Bet Preflop: 6.46, Hands: 5,551)
BTN: 186.1 BB (VPIP: 32.34, PFR: 4.04, 3Bet Preflop: 0.73, Hands: 1,815)
SB: 48.5 BB (VPIP: 27.91, PFR: 8.14, 3Bet Preflop: 11.43, Hands: 88)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ac Ks
UTG calls 1 BB, CO raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 14 BB, fold, fold, BTN raises to 186.1 BB,
He has 1% 3b pre
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
Hero (BB): 224.4 BB
UTG: 51.55 BB (VPIP: 57.55, PFR: 6.60, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 106)
CO: 111.8 BB (VPIP: 31.23, PFR: 20.86, 3Bet Preflop: 6.46, Hands: 5,551)
BTN: 186.1 BB (VPIP: 32.34, PFR: 4.04, 3Bet Preflop: 0.73, Hands: 1,815)
SB: 48.5 BB (VPIP: 27.91, PFR: 8.14, 3Bet Preflop: 11.43, Hands: 88)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ac Ks
UTG calls 1 BB, CO raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 14 BB, fold, fold, BTN raises to 186.1 BB,
He has 1% 3b pre