Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

Fisi said:

Awesome!

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Yeah, it's done. Just waiting on the editing at this point. I think it's going to be extremely helpful. I'm always conflicted about spilling my guts on poker though. I mean, some of this material is stuff that's been discussed elsewhere in different forms. I just hope I can explain it more clear. But some of it is completely my own, and things I've used for years.

Hey all!:hello: I'd really like to get involved with this group and am hoping someone could bring me up to speed.

I know the beginning of the thread was covering the book, which I plan on reading asap, but I'm just wondering what the current status of the group is. Are we supposed to be all on board talking about a single subject right now? Or just posting hand histories and talking strategy? I did notice John's post regarding "critical leaks," so I'll keep an eye out for anything worth sharing in that regard. I'm still fairly new to the forum so go easy on me! Thanks!!

John A said:

Yeah, it's done. Just waiting on the editing at this point. I think it's going to be extremely helpful. I'm always conflicted about spilling my guts on poker though. I mean, some of this material is stuff that's been discussed elsewhere in different forms. I just hope I can explain it more clear. But some of it is completely my own, and things I've used for years.

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So far, your explanations have been excellent and your approach to teaching poker much more practical than in any other book I've read.

As far as giving away how you think about poker and your strategies, it definitely might be an issue. Charging something for the workbook might be the best idea, so you would at least get something out of it. Also one thing that might not require too much work and be excellent value for money (don't know, I'm not a programer) would be porting the Ace Poker Drills to android and ios and sell it in their respective markets, since there really isn't any comparable product that I could find. Especially on smartphones, where I'm sure many people would want to practice their off the felt skills on the go, while riding the subway, before sleep or whatever.

KandiKid said:

Hey all!:hello: I'd really like to get involved with this group and am hoping someone could bring me up to speed.

I know the beginning of the thread was covering the book, which I plan on reading asap, but I'm just wondering what the current status of the group is. Are we supposed to be all on board talking about a single subject right now? Or just posting hand histories and talking strategy? I did notice John's post regarding "critical leaks," so I'll keep an eye out for anything worth sharing in that regard. I'm still fairly new to the forum so go easy on me! Thanks!!

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There was quite a lot of stuff covered, mainly how to apply stuff from the book to real games. I'd recommend going through the whole thread and book slowly, you will learn a lot

What to do? heavy multiway action, hero UTG.

(Pacific) $10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, November 15, 02:02:50 ET 2014
Table Casoria (real money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $18.13 USD ) - VPIP: 9, PFR: 6, 3B: 1, AF: 1.8, hands: 455
Seat 2 Player2 ($10.24 USD) VPIP: 19, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AG% 21, Hands: 334
Seat 3: Player3 ( $15.77 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 10, 3B: 1, AF: 2.3, Hands: 500
Seat 4: Player4 ( $10.36 USD ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 9, 3B: 3, AF: 1.7, Hands: 349
Seat 5: Player5 ( $6.60 USD ) - VPIP: 32, PFR: 10, 3B: 2, AF: 3.1, Hands: 196
Seat 6: Player6 ( $11.12 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 1, 3B: 1, AF: 1.9, Hands: 410
Seat 7: Hero ( $19.63 USD ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 11, 3B: 3, AG% 43, Hands: 234
Seat 9: Player9 ( $5.26 USD )- VPIP: 12, PFR: 8, 3B: 5, AF: 3.5, Hands: 171
Seat 10: Player10 ( $14.23 USD ) - VPIP: 9, PFR: 6, 3B: 1, AF: 1.8, Hands: 455
Player5 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Player6 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ As Ks ]
Hero raises [$0.30 USD]
Player9 calls [$0.30 USD]
Player10 folds
Player1 folds
Player2 calls [$0.30 USD]
Player3 folds
Player4 folds
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, Kc, 4c ]
Hero bets [$0.52 USD]
Player9 calls [$0.52 USD]
Player2 raises [$1.80 USD]
Hero raises [$3.22 USD]
Player9 raises [$4.44 USD]
Player2 raises [$8.14 USD]
Hero?? I tank for ages here, I put them on flush draws like AcQc or maybe others also with AK, the betting is so strong and unusual at these stakes you can't rule out someone with a 4..... the pot is $19.70 and I'd have to call off another $6.20ish

set v set v set...

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$5.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 21, 03:24:15 ET 2014
Table Istria II (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $2.54 USD ) - VPIP: 48, PFR: 34, 3B: 0, AF: 1.9, Hands: 65
Seat 2: Player2 ( $5.14 USD ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 14, 3B: 9, AF: 7.0, Hands: 240
Seat 3: Player3 ( $3.75 USD ) - VPIP: 10, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 3.0, Hands: 61
Seat 4: Player4 ( $5.13 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 6, AF: 1.2, Hands: 228
Seat 5: Hero ( $5.16 USD ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 3.6, Hands: 187080
Seat 6: Player6 ( $5.77 USD ) - VPIP: 38, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 45
Seat 7: Player7 ( $7.55 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 14, 3B: 4, AF: 2.9, Hands: 432
Seat 8: Player8 ( $5.05 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 21
Seat 9: Player9 ( $5.64 USD ) - VPIP: 17, PFR: 12, 3B: 5, AF: 1.3, Hands: 155
Player2 posts small blind [$0.02 USD].
Player3 posts big blind [$0.05 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kd Ks ]
Player4 folds
Hero raises [$0.15 USD]
Player6 folds
Player7 folds
Player8 calls [$0.15 USD]
Player9 calls [$0.15 USD]
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, Kc, 8s ]
Hero bets [$0.35 USD]
Player8 calls [$0.35 USD]
Player9 calls [$0.35 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
Hero bets [$1.05 USD]
Player8 calls [$1.05 USD]
Player9 calls [$1.05 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
Hero checks
Player8 checks
Player9 bets [$1.85 USD]
Hero folds
Player8 calls [$1.85 USD]
Player9 shows [8c, 8d ]
Player8 shows [9s, 9d ]
Player8 wins $8.07 USD from main pot

KandiKid said:

Hey all!:hello: I'd really like to get involved with this group and am hoping someone could bring me up to speed.

I know the beginning of the thread was covering the book, which I plan on reading asap, but I'm just wondering what the current status of the group is. Are we supposed to be all on board talking about a single subject right now? Or just posting hand histories and talking strategy? I did notice John's post regarding "critical leaks," so I'll keep an eye out for anything worth sharing in that regard. I'm still fairly new to the forum so go easy on me! Thanks!!

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Hi and welcome.

So basically we went over each chapter one by one and went into discussion. Now we're discussing anything specific about the book that comes up during real hand situations. So anything regarding a question to any part of the book, or a place where you're stuck about a hand situation.

When the workbook comes out, which will be soon, we'll go back over each section. But right now if you have any question while you're going through it, just fire away. All of us will do our best to answer.

The goal here is that anyone who is actively participating, we're going to get you winning at a nice clip at whatever your stake level is.

Fisi said:

So far, your explanations have been excellent and your approach to teaching poker much more practical than in any other book I've read.

As far as giving away how you think about poker and your strategies, it definitely might be an issue. Charging something for the workbook might be the best idea, so you would at least get something out of it. Also one thing that might not require too much work and be excellent value for money (don't know, I'm not a programer) would be porting the Ace Poker Drills to android and ios and sell it in their respective markets, since there really isn't any comparable product that I could find. Especially on smartphones, where I'm sure many people would want to practice their off the felt skills on the go, while riding the subway, before sleep or whatever.

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Thanks for the feedback. I think all of you guys have been really helpful and supportive so I appreciate that. It's great to have this online community resource that we can all participate in and learn about this game together.

I've openly tried to share a lot of ideas. I enjoy the creative process of coming up with new training and learning programs. That's what's been fun for me. I give a ton away for free too simply because I like building that community, and I hope those things benefit each person and they gain something from it, and will take a look at some of our other Apps and programs. But I do have poker friends that don't get it, and think I should charge some outrageous amounts or don't do it. And I understand their perspective. However those poker friends are all playing 400nl+, and to get to that level profitably, you have to take a lot of baby steps. I'm not just handing out free content at those levels, but I do have some. Any ways... lol

As far as ace poker drills. We already have it on android. I really haven't done anything with it because I didn't have a good way to do a demo of it. But it's in the android market for $5.99, but it's just the pre-flop trainer. At some point when I get these other projects down, I'm going to put in a demo and then also port it to iOS. But it's in the google market now if you search for it.

Figaroo2 said:

Hero?? I tank for ages here, I put them on flush draws like AcQc or maybe others also with AK, the betting is so strong and unusual at these stakes you can't rule out someone with a 4..... the pot is $19.70 and I'd have to call off another $6.20ish

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Yeah, you're just getting it in here. I mean like you said, you can't rule out a 4 at these stakes, but it's unlikely with those kinds of stats. Their range is more in Kx or flush draw like you said. So yeah, it's just get it in time.

EchoEllis said:

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$5.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 21, 03:24:15 ET 2014
Table Istria II (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $2.54 USD ) - VPIP: 48, PFR: 34, 3B: 0, AF: 1.9, Hands: 65
Seat 2: Player2 ( $5.14 USD ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 14, 3B: 9, AF: 7.0, Hands: 240
Seat 3: Player3 ( $3.75 USD ) - VPIP: 10, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 3.0, Hands: 61
Seat 4: Player4 ( $5.13 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 6, AF: 1.2, Hands: 228
Seat 5: Hero ( $5.16 USD ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 3.6, Hands: 187080
Seat 6: Player6 ( $5.77 USD ) - VPIP: 38, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 45
Seat 7: Player7 ( $7.55 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 14, 3B: 4, AF: 2.9, Hands: 432
Seat 8: Player8 ( $5.05 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 21
Seat 9: Player9 ( $5.64 USD ) - VPIP: 17, PFR: 12, 3B: 5, AF: 1.3, Hands: 155
Player2 posts small blind [$0.02 USD].
Player3 posts big blind [$0.05 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kd Ks ]
Player4 folds
Hero raises [$0.15 USD]
Player6 folds
Player7 folds
Player8 calls [$0.15 USD]
Player9 calls [$0.15 USD]
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, Kc, 8s ]
Hero bets [$0.35 USD]
Player8 calls [$0.35 USD]
Player9 calls [$0.35 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
Hero bets [$1.05 USD]
Player8 calls [$1.05 USD]
Player9 calls [$1.05 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
Hero checks
Player8 checks
Player9 bets [$1.85 USD]
Hero folds
Player8 calls [$1.85 USD]
Player9 shows [8c, 8d ]
Player8 shows [9s, 9d ]
Player8 wins $8.07 USD from main pot

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I'd bet a little more on the turn and then shove the river. It's not a great runout, but you have to think of it this way. There's more 2 pair and set combos that will still have versus J combos because your opponents are fairly tight. They probably won't have many J9 type hands, so you're limited to KJ, which is also a small part of their range since they are only play 14 and 17% of their total hands. You can't expect them to bluff in that spot, but they will check behind a ton of 2 pair hands like 89, KT and sets. So better to shove, and yes, sometimes they will have run out on you, but in the long run it will yield a slighty higher EV. Tough hand though, and I'd remove results from the hands in the future as well.

John A said:

The goal here is that anyone who is actively participating, we're going to get you winning at a nice clip at whatever your stake level is.

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I play $50/$100

John A said:

I'd bet a little more on the turn and then shove the river. It's not a great runout, but you have to think of it this way. There's more 2 pair and set combos that will still have versus J combos because your opponents are fairly tight. They probably won't have many J9 type hands, so you're limited to KJ, which is also a small part of their range since they are only play 14 and 17% of their total hands. You can't expect them to bluff in that spot, but they will check behind a ton of 2 pair hands like 89, KT and sets. So better to shove, and yes, sometimes they will have run out on you, but in the long run it will yield a slighty higher EV. Tough hand though, and I'd remove results from the hands in the future as well.

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Thanks for the review

John A said:

Thanks for the feedback. I think all of you guys have been really helpful and supportive so I appreciate that. It's great to have this online community resource that we can all participate in and learn about this game together.

I've openly tried to share a lot of ideas. I enjoy the creative process of coming up with new training and learning programs. That's what's been fun for me. I give a ton away for free too simply because I like building that community, and I hope those things benefit each person and they gain something from it, and will take a look at some of our other apps and programs. But I do have poker friends that don't get it, and think I should charge some outrageous amounts or don't do it. And I understand their perspective. However those poker friends are all playing 400nl+, and to get to that level profitably, you have to take a lot of baby steps. I'm not just handing out free content at those levels, but I do have some. Any ways... lol

As far as ace poker drills. We already have it on android. I really haven't done anything with it because I didn't have a good way to do a demo of it. But it's in the android market for $5.99, but it's just the pre-flop trainer. At some point when I get these other projects down, I'm going to put in a demo and then also port it to iOS. But it's in the google market now if you search for it.

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Thanks!

Yeah, that's a solid point. It's kind of strange though that there aren't more people participating in this project. I would expect a lot more people, since it's free and offers great info and support.

Any plans on porting the equity trainer as well?

rhombus said:

I play $50/$100

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sucks... it's just for $25/$50 and below....

EchoEllis said:

Thanks for the review

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You're welcome. Keep asking questions.

Fisi said:

Thanks!

Yeah, that's a solid point. It's kind of strange though that there aren't more people participating in this project. I would expect a lot more people, since it's free and offers great info and support.

Any plans on porting the equity trainer as well?

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Yw.... there's a decent amount of people actually. A lot of silent observers too. I know that based on the amount of downloads.

I think it easily could be more, but I understand also. I'm not some over advertised big name. I've stayed pretty low radar even though I probably, well I know I have better results than a lot of those big name players. There's also a lot of really bad advice out there, and people who have quite frankly scammed people or lied about their abilities. So I'm sure there's a decent amount of skepticism when someone offers something for free. Totally understandable.

interesting hnad from tonight as was coming to the end of a short session 500 hands in an hour 1.5 buyins up and was nearly midnight, only called the 3 bet PF as was button and called by another player.

Think i played it OK apart from total spew call on turn when head exploded.

important lesson learned when getting tired STOP

$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday
Table Schorria (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $3.78 USD ) - VPIP: 40, PFR: 15, 3B: 10, AF: 0.0, Hands: 20
Seat 2: Hero ( $20.91 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 1.9, Hands: 53989
Seat 3: Player3 ( $10.00 USD ) - VPIP: 31, PFR: 23, 3B: 12, AF: 8.0, Hands: 64
Seat 4: Player4 ( $15.94 USD ) - VPIP: 63, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 2.3, Hands: 8
Seat 6: Player6 ( $4.75 USD ) - VPIP: 55, PFR: 45, 3B: 0, AF: 0.3, Hands: 11
Player3 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Player4 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 6c Kc ]
Player6 folds
Player1 folds
Hero raises [$0.30 USD]
Player3 raises [$0.95 USD]
Player4 calls [$0.90 USD]
Hero calls [$0.70 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, 7c, 9c ]
Player3 checks
Player4 checks
Hero bets [$1.80 USD]
Player3 folds
Player4 calls [$1.80 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qs ]
Player4 bets [$13.14 USD]
Hero calls [$13.14 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Qh ]
Player4 shows [8c, Ac ]
Hero shows [6c, Kc ]
Player4 wins $31.40 USD from main pot

rhombus said:

interesting hnad from tonight as was coming to the end of a short session 500 hands in an hour 1.5 buyins up and was nearly midnight, only called the 3 bet PF as was button and called by another player.

Think i played it OK apart from total spew call on turn when head exploded.

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I'd probably still lean towards a fold pre-flop, even though the fish is in there too. If it was just the other player, then I'd be 4-betting there a ton.

in a downswing

Handling a current downswing...
Its all going wrong at the moment, can't seem to get a winning session going in over a week.... not even dropping right down to 4nl. My EV is at least 15 buys down probably more as over 3000 hands of this volume is at 4nl
I feel like I'm handling any tilt really well, I'm just quitting for an hour or so (like now) cooling off any getting back on it without feeling flustered or tilted in any way. Reading Tendlers books has really helped me there.
Stats don't look too bad but i don't feel like i'm playing very well and falling back into passivity... Just can't win...might change sites.
I just don't feel like playing when I'm running like this...

This one sums it up this evening..
(IPoker) €4.00 EUR NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, November 25, 07:47:51 ET 2014
Table Premium Table 15l (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( €2.40 EUR ) - VPIP: 65, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 37
Seat 3: Player3 ( €5.00 EUR ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 0, AF: 4.5, Hands: 115
Seat 5: Hero ( €5.00 EUR )
Seat 6: Player6 ( €1.06 EUR ) - VPIP: 87, PFR: 7, 3B: 10, AF: 2.1, Hands: 45
Seat 8: Player8 ( €6.61 EUR ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 10, AF: 2.5, Hands: 318
Seat 10: Player10 ( €10.07 EUR ) - VPIP: 65, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 37
Player3 posts small blind [€0.02 EUR].
Hero posts big blind [€0.04 EUR].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 7d 6d ]
Player6 raises [€0.08 EUR]
Player8 folds
Player10 folds
Player1 folds
Player3 folds
Hero calls [€0.04 EUR]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 9d, 3h ]
Hero checks
Player6 checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]
Hero bets [€0.09 EUR]
Player6 calls [€0.09 EUR]
** Dealing River ** [ Qc ]
Hero bets [€0.28 EUR]
Player6 calls [€0.28 EUR]
Player6 wins €0.86 EUR from main pot
Player6 shows [Jh, Td ]

stats 95% 6 max

feedback on this hand please...to agg?

(Party) $25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, November 22, 07:21:18 ET 2014
Table Phuket (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 5: Player5 ( $22.89 USD ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 3.8, Hands: 80
Seat 8: Player8 ( $13.68 USD ) - VPIP: 36, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 11
Seat 3: Hero ( $33.57 USD )
Seat 2: Player2 ( $23.46 USD ) - VPIP: 31, PFR: 9, 3B: 3, AF: 4.5, Hands: 121
Seat 1: Player1 ( $86.69 USD ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 13, 3B: 2, AF: 1.3, Hands: 229
Seat 4: Player4 ( $12.76 USD ) - VPIP: 29, PFR: 22, 3B: 8, AF: 1.9, Hands: 101
Seat 7: Player7 ( $31.10 USD ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 2, 3B: 0, AF: 1.6, Hands: 175
Seat 9: Player9 ( $25.00 USD ) - VPIP: 71, PFR: 29, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 27
Seat 6: Player6 ( $25.00 USD ) - VPIP: 17, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 2.8, Hands: 93
Player2 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 9s 9d ]
Player4 folds
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Player7 folds
Player8 folds
Player9 raises [$0.25 USD]
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Hero raises [$1.25 USD]
Player9 raises [$2.00 USD] fishy sizing.....not sure wtf he has here...
Hero raises [$5.50 USD] (I posted a similar hand with 99 recently where I just shoved pre against a fish...I choose to 5 bet here and plan to shove any half decent flop)
Player9 calls [$4.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2s, Qs, 5s ] I'M NOT PUTTING TOO MANY QUEENS IN A 5 BET CALLING HAND, maybe AQ suited but here we have all spades)
Hero bets [$18.25 USD]
Player9 calls [$18.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jd ]
** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
Hero shows [9s, 9d ]
Player9 shows [Qd, Kh ] CALLED A 5 BET WITH KQ OFF...... WHAT CAN YOU DO!!!!
Hero wins $0.25 USD from main pot
Player9 wins $47.60 USD from main pot

The stats below are during the downswing, nearly all 6 max against fish at bet 365...

Just call his 3-bet. No need to get into a pre-flop war against a fish w/ 99. I'm not sure why you're jamming on the flop though.

But any ways, stats wise, you need to get that PFR/VPIP ratio tighter, 3-betting a little more would be great, c-bet more, and the aggression still needs to go up.

I don't like the idea of flatting his 4bet oop with 99. So really its 5 bet or fold. His 4bet sizing is confusing but came across in game play as pretty weak (and it was) and his range is pretty wide still. Too nitty to fold 99 in that spot imo.
I hadn't been pulling any moves on him or others. It was a shame I didn't have what I was repping aces or kings and would have stacked him easily, a fish with no fold preflop button.
So once I have 5 bet and have 2nd pair and a flush draw oop what's your play John?

This is the problem in micros these days the fish generally have zero fold to 3bet range and are sticky and or aggressive and call you down with 3rd pair That's great when you have premium but means 3 betting other than for value just spews chips.
Most of the regs have 2-5% 3bet stats I never see much light 3 betting of fish. I probably just need tighten it up.

My advice here is that you need to adjust your thinking versus fish. They are going to play pretty straight forward post flop, so why gamble more with them pre-flop? It's still a good stack to pot ratio if you just call, so take advantage of that.

As to your question, this is why it's better not to invest so much pre against them. Now you're in a real bad spot honestly because you likely don't have any fold equity and you will be seeing all 5 cards, a lot of times even drawing almost dead. I would have CRAI and at least give them a chance to c-bet their AK or bluff.

As far as 3-bet, there are tons of weak players that open a poor range that you can use a quasi (or depolarized) range against for value. You want to re-isolate those guys so you have them in a re-raised pot in position. If you're picking your spots right, this is a ton of extra value. Listen to what you're saying. They are sticky, which means they are staying in with a lot of crap hands. Those crap hands will whiff most of the time. So mathematically, if you are 3-betting and c-betting, it will hold value long term.

Figaroo2 said:

Handling a current downswing...
Its all going wrong at the moment, can't seem to get a winning session going in over a week....

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Abit like my month, whatver game i try tourneys and Cash in NL PLO PLO8
down nearly $500

Cooler City or getting rivered

Hi all, I was wondering if it is allowed to post a recorded session on this forum for analysis and feedback? Do people do it? Thanks