+1 try this free program to clear all the crap away easilyJohn A said:
http://filehippo.com/download_ccleaner/
I am going to link to some HH posts.
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/2-nlhe-6-max-co-vs-287261/
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/2-nlhe-6-max-aq-bvb-287257/
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/2-nlhe-6-max-kk-vs-287275/#post2962593
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/2-nlhe-6-max-co-vs-287261/
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/2-nlhe-6-max-aq-bvb-287257/
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/2-nlhe-6-max-kk-vs-287275/#post2962593
Vs a reg here. I am wondering how you all are dealing here pre?
Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2892426
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SB: $1.87 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 2.5, hands: 103
BB: $2.61 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 7, AF: 1.8, Hands: 322
UTG: $2.06 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 18, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 359
MP: $2.00 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 19, 3B: 7, AF: 1.2, Hands: 240
Hero (CO): $2.33
BTN: $2.03 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 2.3, Hands: 744
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with A :diamond: J :heart:
UTG raises to $0.06, 1 fold, Hero ?
Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2892426
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SB: $1.87 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 2.5, hands: 103
BB: $2.61 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 7, AF: 1.8, Hands: 322
UTG: $2.06 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 18, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 359
MP: $2.00 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 19, 3B: 7, AF: 1.2, Hands: 240
Hero (CO): $2.33
BTN: $2.03 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 2.3, Hands: 744
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with A :diamond: J :heart:
UTG raises to $0.06, 1 fold, Hero ?
If I give him my own range (55+, ATs+, KJs+, QJs, JTs, AJo+, KQo with an occasional (10%) looser addition of 22-44, A9s, ATo, KTs, QTs, KJo, QJo), then you're still a 43-57 dog.
We have position, so a coldcall is probably warranted, but we're definitely not strong enough to raise (and frankly, too strong to 3-bet bluff). I'd be fine with a fold as well, but the others are tight enough to keep this HU, which favours a coldcall, imo. I'd definitely coldcall OTB.
But my preflop might be dodgy, so YMMV.
We have position, so a coldcall is probably warranted, but we're definitely not strong enough to raise (and frankly, too strong to 3-bet bluff). I'd be fine with a fold as well, but the others are tight enough to keep this HU, which favours a coldcall, imo. I'd definitely coldcall OTB.
But my preflop might be dodgy, so YMMV.
3 hands from earlier
Hand 1 - decide to 3Bet with Suited Ace +wheel to show strength, then Checkraise flop to show even more strength (Spinach), then when they bet Turn is this auto fold, what do I beat maybe KQ, KJ of clubs. Was unsure as especially as he was aggro, should I have bet turn??
Hand 2 - Assuming easy fold ??? flush draw written all over it.
Hand 3 - Ugly River easy fold again ???
sometiems I donk out with Air and Strong Hands so wasnt surprised at their call, but when they Called the Turn as well I put them on an overpair so the River was a FFS lol
Hand 1
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Hero (SB): $11.38 (113.8 bb)
BB: $7.93 (79.3 bb)
UTG: $13.32 (133.2 bb)
MP: $5.76 (57.6 bb)
CO: $20.59 (205.9 bb)
BTN: $11.38 (113.8 bb)42/42 3B 33.3 AG 60% 13Hands
Preflop: Hero is SB with 4
A
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, BB folds, BTN calls $0.60
Flop: ($1.90) A
5
5
(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.90, Hero raises to $1.80, BTN calls $0.90
Turn: ($5.50) 7
(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.60, Hero ???
Hand 2
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SB: $4.65 (46.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $12.13 (121.3 bb)
UTG: $11.41 (114.1 bb)
MP: $9.13 (91.3 bb)
CO: $10.10 (101 bb)38/33 3B 20.0 AG 25% 21 Hands
BTN: $10.26 (102.6 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K
J
2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.65) 9
J
Q
(2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks
Turn: ($0.65) 2
(2 players)
Hero bets $0.31, CO calls $0.31
River: ($1.27) T
(2 players)
Hero bets $0.90, CO raises to $3, Hero ???
Hand3
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SB: $12.09 (120.9 bb)
Hero (BB): $10.40 (104 bb)
UTG: $14.78 (147.8 bb)24/18 AG 17% 18 hands
MP: $5.39 (53.9 bb)
CO: $10.99 (109.9 bb)
BTN: $11.53 (115.3 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 2
2
UTG raises to $0.35, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.25
Flop: ($0.75) 3
4
3
(2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, UTG calls $0.50
Turn: ($1.75) 2
(2 players)
Hero bets $1.60, UTG calls $1.60
River: ($4.95) 3
(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $3.92, Hero ???
Hand 1 - decide to 3Bet with Suited Ace +wheel to show strength, then Checkraise flop to show even more strength (Spinach), then when they bet Turn is this auto fold, what do I beat maybe KQ, KJ of clubs. Was unsure as especially as he was aggro, should I have bet turn??
Hand 2 - Assuming easy fold ??? flush draw written all over it.
Hand 3 - Ugly River easy fold again ???
sometiems I donk out with Air and Strong Hands so wasnt surprised at their call, but when they Called the Turn as well I put them on an overpair so the River was a FFS lol
Hand 1
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Hero (SB): $11.38 (113.8 bb)
BB: $7.93 (79.3 bb)
UTG: $13.32 (133.2 bb)
MP: $5.76 (57.6 bb)
CO: $20.59 (205.9 bb)
BTN: $11.38 (113.8 bb)42/42 3B 33.3 AG 60% 13Hands
Preflop: Hero is SB with 4
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, BB folds, BTN calls $0.60
Flop: ($1.90) A
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.90, Hero raises to $1.80, BTN calls $0.90
Turn: ($5.50) 7
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.60, Hero ???
Hand 2
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SB: $4.65 (46.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $12.13 (121.3 bb)
UTG: $11.41 (114.1 bb)
MP: $9.13 (91.3 bb)
CO: $10.10 (101 bb)38/33 3B 20.0 AG 25% 21 Hands
BTN: $10.26 (102.6 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K
2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.65) 9
Hero checks, CO checks
Turn: ($0.65) 2
Hero bets $0.31, CO calls $0.31
River: ($1.27) T
Hero bets $0.90, CO raises to $3, Hero ???
Hand3
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SB: $12.09 (120.9 bb)
Hero (BB): $10.40 (104 bb)
UTG: $14.78 (147.8 bb)24/18 AG 17% 18 hands
MP: $5.39 (53.9 bb)
CO: $10.99 (109.9 bb)
BTN: $11.53 (115.3 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 2
UTG raises to $0.35, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.25
Flop: ($0.75) 3
Hero bets $0.50, UTG calls $0.50
Turn: ($1.75) 2
Hero bets $1.60, UTG calls $1.60
River: ($4.95) 3
Hero checks, UTG bets $3.92, Hero ???
rhombus said:3 hands from earlier
Hand 1 - decide to 3Bet with Suited Ace +wheel to show strength, then Checkraise flop to show even more strength (Spinach), then when they bet Turn is this auto fold, what do I beat maybe KQ, KJ of clubs. Was unsure as especially as he was aggro, should I have bet turn??
Hand 2 - Assuming easy fold ??? flush draw written all over it.
Hand 3 - Ugly River easy fold again ???
sometiems I donk out with Air and Strong Hands so wasnt surprised at their call, but when they Called the Turn as well I put them on an overpair so the River was a FFS lol
Hand 1
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Hero (SB): $11.38 (113.8 bb)
BB: $7.93 (79.3 bb)
UTG: $13.32 (133.2 bb)
MP: $5.76 (57.6 bb)
CO: $20.59 (205.9 bb)
BTN: $11.38 (113.8 bb)42/42 3B 33.3 AG 60% 13Hands
Preflop: Hero is SB with 4A
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, BB folds, BTN calls $0.60
Flop: ($1.90) A55(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.90, Hero raises to $1.80, BTN calls $0.90
Turn: ($5.50) 7(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.60, Hero ???
Hand 2
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SB: $4.65 (46.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $12.13 (121.3 bb)
UTG: $11.41 (114.1 bb)
MP: $9.13 (91.3 bb)
CO: $10.10 (101 bb)38/33 3B 20.0 AG 25% 21 Hands
BTN: $10.26 (102.6 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with KJ
2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.65) 9JQ(2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks
Turn: ($0.65) 2(2 players)
Hero bets $0.31, CO calls $0.31
River: ($1.27) T(2 players)
Hero bets $0.90, CO raises to $3, Hero ???
Hand3
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SB: $12.09 (120.9 bb)
Hero (BB): $10.40 (104 bb)
UTG: $14.78 (147.8 bb)24/18 AG 17% 18 hands
MP: $5.39 (53.9 bb)
CO: $10.99 (109.9 bb)
BTN: $11.53 (115.3 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 22
UTG raises to $0.35, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.25
Flop: ($0.75) 343(2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, UTG calls $0.50
Turn: ($1.75) 2(2 players)
Hero bets $1.60, UTG calls $1.60
River: ($4.95) 3(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $3.92, Hero ???
Hand 1.
Weird line dude. 3bet pre then a small check raise looks really shady imo. 3 bet a bit larger pre and just lead on that flop 2/3-3/4. If villain calls then we know we need to improve with such a low kicker.
Hand 2.
Again why not lead the flop? It's hit your range nicely so no reason not to lead 1/2-3/4. On the turn I'm betting pot (if we lead) or check/raising pretty large here. Check call the 10c.
Hand 3.
Fold pre or 3bet against UTG. As played I'm calling the river with 1 eye closed.
Hand 1 A4. If you decide to check it should be to pot control and not to min check raise. We don't want to inflate this pot against a better ace and there is no need to turn our hand into a bluff at this point.
If he's aggressive checking and inducing a bet or two from all his pairs and semi bluffs is one way to get value from weaker hands rather than leading out on the flop.
The problem with checking this hand is losing the ability to set the price and if he has a flush draw it allows him to fire off two big semi bluffs and we don't know if we are ahead of a draw or behind a better ace. As played it's a right tangle and it's difficult to know what's best tbh. I probably call and hope a high card comes so we chop against his aces. If he shoves on a club I'd fold.
Hand 2 KJ
call and hope to chop, he's raising all his Kings if he's got AK or a flush so be it.
Hand 3. 22
I'm fine set mining against a strong UTG range here. You nailed it though the river is a ffs lol FOLD. We are beaten by all his pairs and that is a value bet all day.
If he's aggressive checking and inducing a bet or two from all his pairs and semi bluffs is one way to get value from weaker hands rather than leading out on the flop.
The problem with checking this hand is losing the ability to set the price and if he has a flush draw it allows him to fire off two big semi bluffs and we don't know if we are ahead of a draw or behind a better ace. As played it's a right tangle and it's difficult to know what's best tbh. I probably call and hope a high card comes so we chop against his aces. If he shoves on a club I'd fold.
Hand 2 KJ
call and hope to chop, he's raising all his Kings if he's got AK or a flush so be it.
Hand 3. 22
I'm fine set mining against a strong UTG range here. You nailed it though the river is a ffs lol FOLD. We are beaten by all his pairs and that is a value bet all day.
fletchdad said:
Sometimes cold calling, mostly 3-betting, and here's why. You're a dog vs. his range, but a lot of that range are hands that will fold a large % of the time like small pairs. A lot more of that range like AQ.KQs, etc... that will mostly call will whiff the flop and you have initiative and position. A lot more of that range, like higher mid pairs will call and have a hard time navigating post flop and can be outflopped.
I think the commonly accepted "wisdom" in this spot is the call sometimes, fold sometimes. But I prefer doing what's most profitable. 🙂
rhombus said:3 hands from earlier
Hand 1 - decide to 3Bet with Suited Ace +wheel to show strength, then Checkraise flop to show even more strength (Spinach), then when they bet Turn is this auto fold, what do I beat maybe KQ, KJ of clubs. Was unsure as especially as he was aggro, should I have bet turn??
Hand 2 - Assuming easy fold ??? flush draw written all over it.
Hand 3 - Ugly River easy fold again ???
sometiems I donk out with Air and Strong Hands so wasnt surprised at their call, but when they Called the Turn as well I put them on an overpair so the River was a FFS lol
Hand 1
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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Hero (SB): $11.38 (113.8 bb)
BB: $7.93 (79.3 bb)
UTG: $13.32 (133.2 bb)
MP: $5.76 (57.6 bb)
CO: $20.59 (205.9 bb)
BTN: $11.38 (113.8 bb)42/42 3B 33.3 AG 60% 13Hands
Preflop: Hero is SB with 4A
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, BB folds, BTN calls $0.60
Flop: ($1.90) A55(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.90, Hero raises to $1.80, BTN calls $0.90
Turn: ($5.50) 7(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.60, Hero ???
Why check-raise? What worse hands did you want to call on the flop?
It is getting real fuking hard to take. Since a week, hands like this numerous times in 2 out of 3 sessions. Non stop. I am down 25 BI and I am fuking tilting so bad. The Q) hand, although vs this player not all that bad, was also tilting, I was "no way am I folding FFS" I broke a water spout in my kitchen, 2 nights ago. I should look for the hands but it will give me a friggin ulcer. Same shit as above.
It just doesent help right now that I got in ahead...it just doesent...............
FFS. I am about to withdraw and say fuk this. Better ways to waste my time.......
Sorry about the vent, but it is vent here or kill a kitten........
Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2893886
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UTG: $2.08 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 3, AF: 2.7, Hands: 645
CO: $2.00 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 15, 3B: 2, AF: 1.8, Hands: 106
BTN: $2.00 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 13, 3B: 3, AF: 3.1, Hands: 541
Hero (SB): $2.30
BB: $7.19 - VPIP: 42, PFR: 21, 3B: 14, AF: 8.0, Hands: 66
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with Q :club: Q :spade:
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, BB raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.76, BB raises to $7.19, Hero calls $1.54 all in
Flop: ($4.60) 9 :spade: 3 :club: A :heart: (2 players - 1 is all in)
Turn: ($4.60) 7 :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)
River: ($4.60) J :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: $4.60
Hero shows Q :club: Q :spade:
BB shows J :heart: J :club:
BB wins $4.44
(Rake: $-4.73)
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Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2893887
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BTN: $1.84 - VPIP: 67, PFR: 4, 3B: 5, AF: 1.8, Hands: 57
SB: $2.02 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 3, AF: 2.7, Hands: 645
BB: $2.00 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 19, 3B: 10, AF: 3.8, Hands: 311
UTG: $3.85 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 3, AF: 3.7, Hands: 116
Hero (CO): $2.42
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with A :diamond: T :club:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.06, BTN raises to $0.10, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.04
Flop: ($0.23) A :club: T :heart: 6 :diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.18, BTN raises to $0.36, Hero raises to $1.06, BTN raises to $1.74, Hero calls $0.68
Turn: ($3.71) 9 :club: (2 players)
River: ($3.71) Q :diamond: (2 players)
Final Pot: $3.71
BTN shows Q :club: A :spade:
Hero shows A :diamond: T :club:
BTN wins $3.58
(Rake: $0.13)
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Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2893885
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CO: $2.29 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 17, 3B: 3, AF: 1.7, Hands: 145
BTN: $3.78 - VPIP: 47, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 34
SB: $0.82 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 1, 3B: 0, AF: 1.1, Hands: 328
Hero (BB): $2.01
UTG: $1.83 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 13, 3B: 8, AF: 3.0, Hands: 127
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with Q :heart: 9 :diamond:
UTG raises to $0.08, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.08, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.06
Flop: ($0.25) 2 :diamond: Q :spade: 9 :heart: (3 players)
Hero bets $0.20, UTG folds, BTN calls $0.20
Turn: ($0.65) J :spade: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.62, BTN raises to $1.24, Hero raises to $1.73, BTN calls $0.49
River: ($4.11) Q :diamond: (2 players)
Final Pot: $4.11
BTN shows J :club: Q :club:
Hero shows Q :heart: 9 :diamond:
BTN wins $3.97
(Rake: $0.14)
It just doesent help right now that I got in ahead...it just doesent...............
FFS. I am about to withdraw and say fuk this. Better ways to waste my time.......
Sorry about the vent, but it is vent here or kill a kitten........
Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2893886
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UTG: $2.08 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 3, AF: 2.7, Hands: 645
CO: $2.00 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 15, 3B: 2, AF: 1.8, Hands: 106
BTN: $2.00 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 13, 3B: 3, AF: 3.1, Hands: 541
Hero (SB): $2.30
BB: $7.19 - VPIP: 42, PFR: 21, 3B: 14, AF: 8.0, Hands: 66
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with Q :club: Q :spade:
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, BB raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.76, BB raises to $7.19, Hero calls $1.54 all in
Flop: ($4.60) 9 :spade: 3 :club: A :heart: (2 players - 1 is all in)
Turn: ($4.60) 7 :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)
River: ($4.60) J :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: $4.60
Hero shows Q :club: Q :spade:
BB shows J :heart: J :club:
BB wins $4.44
(Rake: $-4.73)
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Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2893887
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BTN: $1.84 - VPIP: 67, PFR: 4, 3B: 5, AF: 1.8, Hands: 57
SB: $2.02 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 3, AF: 2.7, Hands: 645
BB: $2.00 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 19, 3B: 10, AF: 3.8, Hands: 311
UTG: $3.85 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 3, AF: 3.7, Hands: 116
Hero (CO): $2.42
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with A :diamond: T :club:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.06, BTN raises to $0.10, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.04
Flop: ($0.23) A :club: T :heart: 6 :diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.18, BTN raises to $0.36, Hero raises to $1.06, BTN raises to $1.74, Hero calls $0.68
Turn: ($3.71) 9 :club: (2 players)
River: ($3.71) Q :diamond: (2 players)
Final Pot: $3.71
BTN shows Q :club: A :spade:
Hero shows A :diamond: T :club:
BTN wins $3.58
(Rake: $0.13)
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Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2893885
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CO: $2.29 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 17, 3B: 3, AF: 1.7, Hands: 145
BTN: $3.78 - VPIP: 47, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 34
SB: $0.82 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 1, 3B: 0, AF: 1.1, Hands: 328
Hero (BB): $2.01
UTG: $1.83 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 13, 3B: 8, AF: 3.0, Hands: 127
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with Q :heart: 9 :diamond:
UTG raises to $0.08, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.08, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.06
Flop: ($0.25) 2 :diamond: Q :spade: 9 :heart: (3 players)
Hero bets $0.20, UTG folds, BTN calls $0.20
Turn: ($0.65) J :spade: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.62, BTN raises to $1.24, Hero raises to $1.73, BTN calls $0.49
River: ($4.11) Q :diamond: (2 players)
Final Pot: $4.11
BTN shows J :club: Q :club:
Hero shows Q :heart: 9 :diamond:
BTN wins $3.97
(Rake: $0.14)
Could someone please explain to me exactly what this thread is about? Are we analysing a book together, or are we just using this as a cash game general chat thread to talk about general cash game strategy with a few links to specific hands?
Matthew Southall said:
The way I understand this thread is, it is for people who are/have read the book and are using the advice and strategy in the book in their game.
The discussion about strategy and hands are intended for the people in this particular thread. AFAIK I am the only one who has linked hands, and I will probably not do that anymore if it make the thread confusing to people.
I am reading the book, and that is why I am involved in this thread. I dont think anyone is analyzing the book. I do think they are analyzing how it helps or influences their decisions, as well as the hands involved.
Nice vent Fletch
I would advise you to stop playing for as long as is required for you to cool down and start thinking clearly again.
Of the 3 hands posted the first two QQ and AT you played fine. Getting the money in with those hands against the ranges of those villains is perfectly acceptable.
The 3rd hand Q9 was however a really poor play preflop against an opponent utg with stats of 15/13 he is a proper TAG so you are crushed here nearly always preflop. Forget the rest of the hand it's not important compared to the fact you chose to flat and play a hand out of position, without the initiative and likely with equity of at the very best 40%.
Have a think now about that and how that is going to turn out for you on the vast majority of occasions.
So if you have played preflop like this once you are likely to have been doing this on a number of other times.
John bangs on repeatedly against having a solid game preflop and this is a fine example of what happens.
If you are going to continue you need to review or have someone review your preflop game and see these sort of spots.
We have also talked a fair amount in this thread about tilt and coping with bad beats and losses.
I used to tilt with bad beats just like you did here but with experience comes acceptance. Yesterday I was up 6bi so decided to open a table at a higher stake. Within a few minutes I had a fish all in my QQ v AT on a xxT flop and he hits an Ace on the river. Super annoying as that was 3 of the BI that I had carefully ground out earlier BUT it is part of the game. You have to learn to accept it or you may as well pack up . I'm fine with that now.
You can help yourself big time by playing appropriately preflop this will reduce the times you get into marginal difficult spots and you should have more equity when you do happen to get it all in. More equity = fewer suckouts = less tilt
I would advise you to stop playing for as long as is required for you to cool down and start thinking clearly again.
Of the 3 hands posted the first two QQ and AT you played fine. Getting the money in with those hands against the ranges of those villains is perfectly acceptable.
The 3rd hand Q9 was however a really poor play preflop against an opponent utg with stats of 15/13 he is a proper TAG so you are crushed here nearly always preflop. Forget the rest of the hand it's not important compared to the fact you chose to flat and play a hand out of position, without the initiative and likely with equity of at the very best 40%.
Have a think now about that and how that is going to turn out for you on the vast majority of occasions.
So if you have played preflop like this once you are likely to have been doing this on a number of other times.
John bangs on repeatedly against having a solid game preflop and this is a fine example of what happens.
If you are going to continue you need to review or have someone review your preflop game and see these sort of spots.
We have also talked a fair amount in this thread about tilt and coping with bad beats and losses.
I used to tilt with bad beats just like you did here but with experience comes acceptance. Yesterday I was up 6bi so decided to open a table at a higher stake. Within a few minutes I had a fish all in my QQ v AT on a xxT flop and he hits an Ace on the river. Super annoying as that was 3 of the BI that I had carefully ground out earlier BUT it is part of the game. You have to learn to accept it or you may as well pack up . I'm fine with that now.
You can help yourself big time by playing appropriately preflop this will reduce the times you get into marginal difficult spots and you should have more equity when you do happen to get it all in. More equity = fewer suckouts = less tilt
I could write a very long reply to this but I don't have time.Matthew Southall said:
John kindly puts his free book out there (gold dust). We read it and implement it into our games and ask questions about areas we struggle to get to grips with. We post hands primarily for advice from John. But I welcome opinions from most of the players who work hard on their game in this thread.
If you want a wide range of opinions you can post in the cash games forum separately.
Every now and again we focus on one section of the book or our games that is giving us issues.
So it's primarily a coaching support thread and along the way some of us will buy some of John's other products like leak buster or sign up to his other coaching programs and spread the word about John via word of mouth recommendation and via social media.
We also have a Skype sweat club which gets together on Tuesdays where you can have your game put under the microscope by imo one of the world's premier poker coaches for FREE.
Thanks John.
Figaroo2 said:
Thanks for the answer. I am calm again now, but I have been fighting the effects of tilt in a way I have not had to deal with in a long time. I usually get over it fairly quick, so stopping playing for an extended period is probably not an issue. I have a tilt switch, and when it flips I simply close down the client, which I dont do very often (I may have bet or raised on other tables, and force quitting is a defo -ev move, but may be more -ev to not when I get that steamy). I force closed my client 2x in the last week, and havent done it 2x like that in the last 2 years....
Yes, the Q9 was bad pre. And for sure tilt was the reason for some bad decisions the last week. But I checked my HEM, and the amount of bad beats is pretty wild, compared to what I normally go through. I was getting it in when ahead - equity wise, and simply way ahead - and simply never improving or my opponent did, similar to the first 2 hands I posted. there were a few sessions where I had the luck(lol) to have this happen a disproportional amount of times in a single session, then again etc.....
Now, I know this happens, and it is a matter of when and not if. And for sure the BI loss is not simply a matter of bad beats. But the beats are above the usual, and my ability to deal with it (for whatever reason, I usually am not at all this emotional when I get sucked out on) at a deep low, and the combination is bad.....
I think my best bet right now is to try to hook up with someone here ITT and do a sweat, and the person sweating can bring thoughts on my play to me and here ITT. I will look right now (or in an hour or 2, as I am doing some house work...lol marriage and kids) at some hands, I marked quite a few. Maybe I will post my 10 biggest losses, no matter what they are, just in case there is a pattern I am missing?? That may be overkill, but if I do I will post in 2-3 hand segments.
Thanks Bruce, tho, for the input. Wise words. I know a lot of how I view my game is perception, and I am sure my preflop play is suffering more that I see/admit.
Played a session this afternoon. It went ok. I kept my cool and was able to snicker at the calling stations who hit OTR, was able to fold more correctly and was very aware of preflop play. Up 3BI as well, so that didnt hurt either.
Here are the biggest money losers in the last 2 weeks or so. I will just post complete hands and wait for comments. I am posting a couple that are terrible, but, hey, here is my shitty play.... They are in the order of most money lost.
Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2894050
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CO: $3.83 - VPIP: 91, PFR: 82, 3B: 67, AF: 0.0, Hands: 11
BTN: $1.97 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 6, 3B: 1, AF: 1.8, Hands: 671
SB: $3.59 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 13, 3B: 4, AF: 1.9, Hands: 275
BB: $2.51 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 16, 3B: 2, AF: 7.1, Hands: 857
UTG: $2.40 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 5.5, Hands: 137
Hero (MP): $3.89
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP with K :diamond: A :club:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.06, CO raises to $3.83, 3 folds, Hero calls $3.77
Flop: ($7.69) A :heart: 4 :spade: K :heart: (2 players)
Turn: ($7.69) J :heart: (2 players)
River: ($7.69) 4 :heart: (2 players)
Final Pot: $7.69
CO shows 8 :heart: 8 :spade:
Hero shows K :diamond: A :club:
CO wins $7.42
(Rake: $0.27)
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Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2894053
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BB: $2.15 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 14, 3B: 11, AF: 2.2, Hands: 293
Hero (UTG): $3.10
CO: $1.77 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 6.0, Hands: 70
BTN: $1.18 - VPIP: 42, PFR: 28, 3B: 13, AF: 2.8, Hands: 149
SB: $3.12 - VPIP: 32, PFR: 18, 3B: 19, AF: 1.6, Hands: 91
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with A :heart: Q :club:
Hero raises to $0.06, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.20, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.14
Flop: ($0.42) 9 :diamond: 9 :heart: 3 :diamond: (2 players)
SB bets $0.41, Hero raises to $1.22, SB raises to $2.92, Hero calls $1.68 all in
Turn: ($6.22) K :diamond: (2 players - 1 is all in)
River: ($6.22) 2 :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: $6.22
Hero shows A :heart: Q :club:
SB shows A :club: A :diamond:
SB wins $5.98
(Rake: $0.22)
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Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2894055
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SB: $2.67 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 14, 3B: 6, AF: 0.9, Hands: 3060
Hero (BB): $2.44
UTG: $2.00 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 19, 3B: 13, AF: 5.0, Hands: 74
CO: $3.06 - VPIP: 90, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 4.8, Hands: 21
BTN: $2.88 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 17, 3B: 0, AF: 1.7, Hands: 71
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with A :spade: A :diamond:
UTG raises to $0.06, CO calls $0.06, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.26, 1 fold, CO calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.59) 5 :club: K :spade: 3 :diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.46, CO calls $0.46
Turn: ($1.51) 8 :club: (2 players)
Hero bets $1.14, CO calls $1.14
River: ($3.79) 9 :spade: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.58, CO calls $0.58
Final Pot: $4.95
Hero shows A :spade: A :diamond:
CO shows 7 :diamond: 6 :club:
CO wins $4.78
(Rake: $0.17)
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Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 2894056
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SB: $4.21 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 10, 3B: 3, AF: 1.4, Hands: 299
BB: $1.63 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 1.9, Hands: 140
CO: $2.82 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 19, 3B: 10, AF: 3.8, Hands: 311
Hero (BTN): $2.41
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with K :heart: K :spade:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.06, SB raises to $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.48, SB raises to $1.46, Hero raises to $2.41, SB calls $0.95
Flop: ($4.84) 8 :diamond: A :diamond: 2 :club: (2 players)
Turn: ($4.84) 6 :club: (2 players)
River: ($4.84) 6 :diamond: (2 players)
Final Pot: $4.84
SB shows A :heart: A :spade:
Hero shows K :heart: K :spade:
SB wins $4.67
(Rake: $0.17)
Here are the biggest money losers in the last 2 weeks or so. I will just post complete hands and wait for comments. I am posting a couple that are terrible, but, hey, here is my shitty play.... They are in the order of most money lost.
Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2894050
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
CO: $3.83 - VPIP: 91, PFR: 82, 3B: 67, AF: 0.0, Hands: 11
BTN: $1.97 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 6, 3B: 1, AF: 1.8, Hands: 671
SB: $3.59 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 13, 3B: 4, AF: 1.9, Hands: 275
BB: $2.51 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 16, 3B: 2, AF: 7.1, Hands: 857
UTG: $2.40 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 5.5, Hands: 137
Hero (MP): $3.89
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP with K :diamond: A :club:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.06, CO raises to $3.83, 3 folds, Hero calls $3.77
Flop: ($7.69) A :heart: 4 :spade: K :heart: (2 players)
Turn: ($7.69) J :heart: (2 players)
River: ($7.69) 4 :heart: (2 players)
Final Pot: $7.69
CO shows 8 :heart: 8 :spade:
Hero shows K :diamond: A :club:
CO wins $7.42
(Rake: $0.27)
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Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2894053
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
BB: $2.15 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 14, 3B: 11, AF: 2.2, Hands: 293
Hero (UTG): $3.10
CO: $1.77 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 6.0, Hands: 70
BTN: $1.18 - VPIP: 42, PFR: 28, 3B: 13, AF: 2.8, Hands: 149
SB: $3.12 - VPIP: 32, PFR: 18, 3B: 19, AF: 1.6, Hands: 91
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with A :heart: Q :club:
Hero raises to $0.06, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.20, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.14
Flop: ($0.42) 9 :diamond: 9 :heart: 3 :diamond: (2 players)
SB bets $0.41, Hero raises to $1.22, SB raises to $2.92, Hero calls $1.68 all in
Turn: ($6.22) K :diamond: (2 players - 1 is all in)
River: ($6.22) 2 :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: $6.22
Hero shows A :heart: Q :club:
SB shows A :club: A :diamond:
SB wins $5.98
(Rake: $0.22)
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Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2894055
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
SB: $2.67 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 14, 3B: 6, AF: 0.9, Hands: 3060
Hero (BB): $2.44
UTG: $2.00 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 19, 3B: 13, AF: 5.0, Hands: 74
CO: $3.06 - VPIP: 90, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 4.8, Hands: 21
BTN: $2.88 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 17, 3B: 0, AF: 1.7, Hands: 71
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with A :spade: A :diamond:
UTG raises to $0.06, CO calls $0.06, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.26, 1 fold, CO calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.59) 5 :club: K :spade: 3 :diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.46, CO calls $0.46
Turn: ($1.51) 8 :club: (2 players)
Hero bets $1.14, CO calls $1.14
River: ($3.79) 9 :spade: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.58, CO calls $0.58
Final Pot: $4.95
Hero shows A :spade: A :diamond:
CO shows 7 :diamond: 6 :club:
CO wins $4.78
(Rake: $0.17)
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Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 2894056
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
SB: $4.21 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 10, 3B: 3, AF: 1.4, Hands: 299
BB: $1.63 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 1.9, Hands: 140
CO: $2.82 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 19, 3B: 10, AF: 3.8, Hands: 311
Hero (BTN): $2.41
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with K :heart: K :spade:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.06, SB raises to $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.48, SB raises to $1.46, Hero raises to $2.41, SB calls $0.95
Flop: ($4.84) 8 :diamond: A :diamond: 2 :club: (2 players)
Turn: ($4.84) 6 :club: (2 players)
River: ($4.84) 6 :diamond: (2 players)
Final Pot: $4.84
SB shows A :heart: A :spade:
Hero shows K :heart: K :spade:
SB wins $4.67
(Rake: $0.17)
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Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2894060
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CO: $4.87 - VPIP: 71, PFR: 22, 3B: 6, AF: 1.9, Hands: 90
BTN: $2.57 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 14, 3B: 11, AF: 2.4, Hands: 213
SB: $2.05 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 14, 3B: 2, AF: 1.7, Hands: 437
Hero (BB): $2.34
UTG: $2.30 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 12, 3B: 0, AF: 9.0, Hands: 49
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with T :heart: A :heart:
1 fold, CO raises to $0.04, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.14, CO calls $0.10
Flop: ($0.29) K :heart: Q :heart: 9 :club: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.21, CO raises to $4.73, Hero???
I think his range is so wide here, and my thinking was my equity should be good here.....
Thoughts?
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
CO: $4.87 - VPIP: 71, PFR: 22, 3B: 6, AF: 1.9, Hands: 90
BTN: $2.57 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 14, 3B: 11, AF: 2.4, Hands: 213
SB: $2.05 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 14, 3B: 2, AF: 1.7, Hands: 437
Hero (BB): $2.34
UTG: $2.30 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 12, 3B: 0, AF: 9.0, Hands: 49
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with T :heart: A :heart:
1 fold, CO raises to $0.04, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.14, CO calls $0.10
Flop: ($0.29) K :heart: Q :heart: 9 :club: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.21, CO raises to $4.73, Hero???
I think his range is so wide here, and my thinking was my equity should be good here.....
Thoughts?
fletchdad said:
Sorry Fletch, I know it's rough when you're not running well. We've all been there. Of course just take a break and get your mind off poker for awhile.
The main encouraging thing I can say to you is that the more you learn to pick up some of these smaller pots, the more your variance will shrink. There are still things you can implement to make this game easier, and that's why we're in this thread. I outlined some of those things in Polished Poker. You just want to be constantly aware of them, and then execute.
Just about all of your are solid on most of the basics in no-limit. That first major turning point is making sure you're capitalizing on the little things, because that will help soften the times when you're getting sucked out on. Then we keep adding pieces from there.
Any ways, hang in there man.
Figaroo2 said:
Good Friday to me. 🙂 Thanks for the kind words Fig. Much appreciated!
When I can get this 3rd volume done (which will again be free), I think you guys will really enjoy it. Mainly because I'm focusing on what I said a few posts ago, the little things that I notice a lot of players miss when I'm observing them play. It's also a great help sweating you guys because it gives me some good insight into what I can write that would be helpful.
I think we've all learned a lot from each other, and I'm glad I didn't publicize this thread because it would have just become too much for me. We have a good small group.