hackmeplz said:
I see what you mean. I had just started the session and hadnt started my engines yet.
I kinda felt like he coulda had a king cause he overflatted my 3bet and i had absolutely no backdoor flush draw possibilities so i decided to check in case i can hit a miracle turn card without overinflating the pot.
I usually barrel A-K high flops if im the PF 3bettor, but this time i played it horribly from flop onwards. Agreed.
Like i didnt connect to the flop in a way that i felt comfortable cbetting OOP against someone who apparently has something because of overflatting. Make sense?
Just cause i 3bet pre doesnt mean i necessarily have to cbet on all K high flops even if i have air ,does it?
Just cause i 3bet pre doesnt mean i necessarily have to cbet on all K high flops even if i have air ,does it?
You don't have to cbet, you just have a hand with more equity than usual. If you check QJ here you also have to be checking hands with no draw. But if that's the case sure not cbetting is fine, it's the call I don't like. If you don't think he'll fold enough to make it a profitable cbet, how can calling oop with Q high and a gutter be profitable after checking?
hackmeplz said:
Yea, i see EXACTLY what your saying here. The call was bad,because if im going to be calling in that spot instead of folding, why not just cbet in the first place while i still have initiative. I knew the line was wrong. Thats why i posted that one. Thnks .
Blobweird123 said:
Yes, i see what you mean blob. Absolutely right. Wasnt on my A- game yeterday cause i came home late and wanted to win as much as i could as fast as i could and ended up not making good value bets and paying off in marginal spots. Roll is at 3 hundo. Yesterday, i ended up down 3 buy ins. Doesnt really matter though. What matters is realizing that trying to make money faster than usual often backfires. Thanks alot.
FLOP QUESTION.
reason i bet this amount on flop was because i wanted it to look like pure value. Was my sizing kinda weak? didn't wanna go for like 75% and look like i want folds.
Do we want to be flatting his flop raise or folding or jamming???? Guy is an unknown but i think folding is probably best in that spot on the flop?
I just figured if his hand is so strong and its so obvious im trying to get value,why would he be clicking it back if he had something that good?
Difficult spot on flop. Thoughts?
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MP ($7.80)
CO ($5.42)
Button ($10.05)
SB ($9.95)
Hero (BB) ($10.20)
UTG ($27.21)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K
, A
UTG raises to $0.20, 2 folds, Button raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.40, 2 folds, SB calls $1.10
Flop: ($3.30) 7
, Q
, 4
(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.55, SB raises to $3.10, Hero ?
reason i bet this amount on flop was because i wanted it to look like pure value. Was my sizing kinda weak? didn't wanna go for like 75% and look like i want folds.
Do we want to be flatting his flop raise or folding or jamming???? Guy is an unknown but i think folding is probably best in that spot on the flop?
I just figured if his hand is so strong and its so obvious im trying to get value,why would he be clicking it back if he had something that good?
Difficult spot on flop. Thoughts?
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MP ($7.80)
CO ($5.42)
Button ($10.05)
SB ($9.95)
Hero (BB) ($10.20)
UTG ($27.21)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K
UTG raises to $0.20, 2 folds, Button raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.40, 2 folds, SB calls $1.10
Flop: ($3.30) 7
SB checks, Hero bets $1.55, SB raises to $3.10, Hero ?
duggs said:
Even if we ignore the times he folds kx and shoves k9/kt/sets on the turn, it's still close to a fold. There are just a TON of flush combos in his range, and the worse he is the more likely he is to have literally every flush combo possible.
duggs said:
Yea i thought so too ,but after not cbeting the flop in a hand i posted earlier with QJs and got some opinions that NOT Cbetting when your the PFR (esp when u squeezed) is wrong, i decided that this flop is right to go for a Cbet as its dry enough and i dont see too many hands he could be calling with. Thing is, since it is so dry he might float all MP and stuff.
I think that if im going to be taking down this 3$ pot at any point, the flop might be the right time to do it. What do you think about sizing?
Need help with river spot.
Villain Stats: 27/8/2.5 13.6% 3b
Im no stat wizard but in general, i view this player to be loose flatting pre alot and doesnt open a bunch.( so if he opens i give him respect).
Could probably flat big hands as well😕.(correct me if im wrong about that part though) It looks like he picks up speed post and is rather aggressive with the 2.5 AF. I might even kinda think that it might be a bit too high for someone who doesnt really know what they are doing. And this guy probably doesnt because his PFR is so low. Is that assumption correct?
In general his stats, his stack size and his bet sizing on the flop all lead me to believe he might be a bad aggro or fishy player.
Now to the hand.
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UTG ($7.21)
MP ($29.31)
CO ($3.85)
Button ($13.10)
SB ($10)
Hero (BB) ($10)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 4
, 3
UTG calls $0.10, 3 folds, SB calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.30, UTG calls $0.20, SB calls $0.20 ( im sure .55 cents would be WAYYY better here as im looking for folds but i just clicked on the pot button for convenience😱)
Flop: ($0.90) Q
, 4
, 6
(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $0.90, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.90
Turn: ($2.70) K
(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks
River: ($2.70) 2
(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks ( should i be betting here , or hope to see a cheap showdown)???????? Not too sure what he has with the line he took but medium PP does make sense. The question is does he ever believe my line if i bet this river?
Total pot: $2.70 | Rake: $0.13
Results below:
Villain Stats: 27/8/2.5 13.6% 3b
Im no stat wizard but in general, i view this player to be loose flatting pre alot and doesnt open a bunch.( so if he opens i give him respect).
Could probably flat big hands as well😕.(correct me if im wrong about that part though) It looks like he picks up speed post and is rather aggressive with the 2.5 AF. I might even kinda think that it might be a bit too high for someone who doesnt really know what they are doing. And this guy probably doesnt because his PFR is so low. Is that assumption correct?
In general his stats, his stack size and his bet sizing on the flop all lead me to believe he might be a bad aggro or fishy player.
Now to the hand.
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UTG ($7.21)
MP ($29.31)
CO ($3.85)
Button ($13.10)
SB ($10)
Hero (BB) ($10)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 4
UTG calls $0.10, 3 folds, SB calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.30, UTG calls $0.20, SB calls $0.20 ( im sure .55 cents would be WAYYY better here as im looking for folds but i just clicked on the pot button for convenience😱)
Flop: ($0.90) Q
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $0.90, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.90
Turn: ($2.70) K
Hero checks, UTG checks
River: ($2.70) 2
Hero checks, UTG checks ( should i be betting here , or hope to see a cheap showdown)???????? Not too sure what he has with the line he took but medium PP does make sense. The question is does he ever believe my line if i bet this river?
Total pot: $2.70 | Rake: $0.13
Results below:
Hero had 4
, 3
(one pair, fours).
UTG had 7
, 7
(one pair, sevens).
Outcome: UTG won $2.57
UTG had 7
Outcome: UTG won $2.57
just check it pre.
vs a passive fish who isn't going to fold often 34s just does not flop or play well enough OOP.
as played checking river is fine and I probably fold to a bet. Probably fold flop as well if I am not c-betting.
Wasn't I just reading somewhere that you snap fold Q8s IP with a fish limping ahead?
Now here you are trying to iso fish with 34s OOP! 😀
vs a passive fish who isn't going to fold often 34s just does not flop or play well enough OOP.
as played checking river is fine and I probably fold to a bet. Probably fold flop as well if I am not c-betting.
Wasn't I just reading somewhere that you snap fold Q8s IP with a fish limping ahead?
Now here you are trying to iso fish with 34s OOP! 😀
LOL yea, man i do. but when we give advice on hands we dont wanna be giving laggy lines now do we?
And just for the record i think 34suited is wayy better than Q8 suited. Because if a all low card flop comes, you can be fairly sure that its all you .
And just for the record i think 34suited is wayy better than Q8 suited. Because if a all low card flop comes, you can be fairly sure that its all you .
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28/18/2.3 300 hands
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Hero (BB) ($10.51)
UTG ($10)
MP ($7.44)
CO ($16.81)
Button ($10.86)
SB ($10.54)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 5
, 5
UTG raises to $0.35, 3 folds, SB calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.25
Flop: ($1.05) K
, 5
, A
(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks
Turn: ($1.05) 4
(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.55, UTG calls $0.55, SB calls $0.55
River: ($2.70) 8
(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.07, UTG raises to $5.60, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.53 ( think i got like another 3.50 behind . Do i jam that in as well or just call?)
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Hero (BB) ($10.51)
UTG ($10)
MP ($7.44)
CO ($16.81)
Button ($10.86)
SB ($10.54)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 5
UTG raises to $0.35, 3 folds, SB calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.25
Flop: ($1.05) K
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks
Turn: ($1.05) 4
SB checks, Hero bets $0.55, UTG calls $0.55, SB calls $0.55
River: ($2.70) 8
SB checks, Hero bets $2.07, UTG raises to $5.60, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.53 ( think i got like another 3.50 behind . Do i jam that in as well or just call?)
18/13/11 110 hands
Was left with my jaw hanging when i saw this guys holdings when he made that river call.
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SB ($10.63)
BB ($10.88)
Hero (UTG) ($10.15)
MP ($27.14)
CO ($5.47)
Button ($27.44)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q
, K
Hero raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold
Flop: ($1) Q
, A
, 4
(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.77, MP calls $0.77, SB calls $0.77
Turn: ($3.31) K
(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.40, 1 fold, SB calls $1.40
River: ($6.11) Q
(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.95, SB calls $3.95
Total pot: $14.01 | Rake: $0.70
Results below:
Was left with my jaw hanging when i saw this guys holdings when he made that river call.
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SB ($10.63)
BB ($10.88)
Hero (UTG) ($10.15)
MP ($27.14)
CO ($5.47)
Button ($27.44)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q
Hero raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold
Flop: ($1) Q
SB checks, Hero bets $0.77, MP calls $0.77, SB calls $0.77
Turn: ($3.31) K
SB checks, Hero bets $1.40, 1 fold, SB calls $1.40
River: ($6.11) Q
SB checks, Hero bets $3.95, SB calls $3.95
Total pot: $14.01 | Rake: $0.70
Results below:
SB had 3
, A
(two pair, Aces and Queens).
Hero had Q
, K
(full house, Queens over Kings).
Outcome: Hero won $13.31
Hero had Q
Outcome: Hero won $13.31
55hand
Weird spot because of UTG line. Bet bigger on turn and I think flatting river is fine. His line is super confusing and it's hard to believe he would raise that river with AK/AQ after the line he took. I think you'll have to wait for somebody else for better input on this one lol. His line makes no sense and he could really only be repping 88/67 or a slowplayed KK/AA which means he probably has more air in his range then anything but I am unsure if shipping is the best option here instead of flatting as you did.
KQ
bigger on turn and river and lol @ villain (although he does have 2nd nut 2p+top kicker. )
Weird spot because of UTG line. Bet bigger on turn and I think flatting river is fine. His line is super confusing and it's hard to believe he would raise that river with AK/AQ after the line he took. I think you'll have to wait for somebody else for better input on this one lol. His line makes no sense and he could really only be repping 88/67 or a slowplayed KK/AA which means he probably has more air in his range then anything but I am unsure if shipping is the best option here instead of flatting as you did.
KQ
bigger on turn and river and lol @ villain (although he does have 2nd nut 2p+top kicker. )
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redwards92 said:
^^^^^
Although you may be right about this, i am not the kind of player that can over commmit myself on this type of board. Meaning if i bet turn and he jams, im probably snap folding. Cause im always scared of AK,AQ,A4, set of fours, set of queens ,TJ on turn and a whole bunch of other stuff. To be honest i kinda hated turn cause it does fill in the gutshot.
On river, im not pretty sure i have the best hand and am trying to find the right price to get paid by AK hopefully. or a straight. (although i am always a bit worried about better boats, but thats just me.😛
thnks for advice though man. I hear you reds.
EDIT: if i even suspected he had A-rag i would be betting like 1.50 or so. LOL.