made over 1.2K on thursday in the 215$ progressive knockout event 3. and won another 250 or so in another tourney the same day so got a roll and am grinding a little 10NL here and there.
This spot came up.
Preflop my flat sucks no doubt,, but as played what do we do on turn.
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
Button ($10.27)
SB ($10)
Hero (BB) ($16.21)
UTG ($8.47)
MP ($13.79)
CO ($10)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 10
, 8
UTG raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, 1 fold, Button raises to $0.90, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.80, UTG calls $0.60, MP calls $0.60
Flop: ($3.65) 5
, 3
, 8
(4 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $2, 2 folds, Hero calls $2
Turn: ($7.65) A
(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $5.57 (All-In), Hero ????? wants to call like a mofo but doesnt know if its correct.
opinions????
This spot came up.
Preflop my flat sucks no doubt,, but as played what do we do on turn.
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
Button ($10.27)
SB ($10)
Hero (BB) ($16.21)
UTG ($8.47)
MP ($13.79)
CO ($10)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 10
UTG raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, 1 fold, Button raises to $0.90, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.80, UTG calls $0.60, MP calls $0.60
Flop: ($3.65) 5
Hero checks, UTG bets $2, 2 folds, Hero calls $2
Turn: ($7.65) A
Hero checks, UTG bets $5.57 (All-In), Hero ????? wants to call like a mofo but doesnt know if its correct.
opinions????
duggs said:
fold flop. ok i see why you say fold flop but what about turn. Do you fold turn?
I know pre and flop suck . i knew it in game ,i know it now and it is a fact. The turn though was the actual tough spot. what would u do?( assuming you got yourself in this messy spot?)
Good to see youre back Vinyl!!!!!! Congrats on nice Tourney cash, make sure you post it into big wins thread, I know i would if i won it 😀
About a hand, why do we wanna involve in a squeezed pot with T8s and sill have two players to act after us?? UTG open look pretty strong if unknown, dunno about SQZ from BTN they are usually always strong at 2/5nlR at FTP so we flat and still risk UTG jam, i might be a nit and what is more likely i dont know how to play suited connectors and one gappers so i fold pre here...
as played flop is meh, we have questionable made hand and where i play donk flop can also mean draw so im kinda OK with call since we are closing the action. on turn we have FD+MP which seems like close to 30% equity and we do have odds to call so why not since we are already there, this is a good spot to pick some note on him if we dont have any already, im pretty confident that he have A here so its on you do you wanna gamble with FD+MP or not...
About a hand, why do we wanna involve in a squeezed pot with T8s and sill have two players to act after us?? UTG open look pretty strong if unknown, dunno about SQZ from BTN they are usually always strong at 2/5nlR at FTP so we flat and still risk UTG jam, i might be a nit and what is more likely i dont know how to play suited connectors and one gappers so i fold pre here...
as played flop is meh, we have questionable made hand and where i play donk flop can also mean draw so im kinda OK with call since we are closing the action. on turn we have FD+MP which seems like close to 30% equity and we do have odds to call so why not since we are already there, this is a good spot to pick some note on him if we dont have any already, im pretty confident that he have A here so its on you do you wanna gamble with FD+MP or not...
vinylspiros said:Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, 8
UTG raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, 1 fold, Button raises to $0.90, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.80, UTG calls $0.60, MP calls $0.60
Flop: ($3.65) 5, 3, 8(4 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $2, 2 folds, Hero calls $2
Turn: ($7.65) A(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $5.57 (All-In), Hero ????? wants to call like a mofo but doesnt know if its correct.
opinions????
OK so UTG opens and flats the 3 bet from the button and your call, if he had aces or Kings hes probably reraising neither hand wants 3-4 way action
So what does he have UTG otherwise....not QQ or JJ as that doesn't shove the turn with an ace on show.....so it pretty much has to be AK maybe AQ/Js.
Which of those hands is willing to lead out $2 on the flop,,, I can't see AK offsuit which is basically just A high leading out here on the flop with the button who raised still to act. So in my eyes it pretty much has to be AK and AQ/J suited spades giving him top pair with the nut flush draw. I can't see what else leads out!?
So plugging that into the equity calc gives you 29%... a little over 3-1.
Are you getting 3-1 to call the shove?.. call $5.57 to win $13.22 no odds of 2.37- 1 so no not even close, so its a negative EV spot.
=FOLD.
At the table in real time consider your outs; 9 diamonds plus an 8 or 10 might be good... 9+3+3 = 15 outs.... roughly 2% per out gives with a 30% chance of hitting your winning card (which pretty much matches the equity calc of course) also consider the 10s might be bad as it completes the flush draw.
So then back to the are you getting 3-1 on calling the shove.if what you are being asked to call doesn't fit into the pot total when you times the call amount by three then fold ....You want the pot to be over $16.71 (3x 5.57) to make this a call
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I think you mixed it up...
50 into 100 or better 50 out of 100 (which i guess is the correct to call it) is 1 out of 2 or 1/2 or 50% which is 1:1
33.33 into 100 or better 33 out of 100 is 1 out of 3 or one third or 1/3 or 2:1 meaning that we have likeliness of something to happen once opposed to something to happen twice 33% chances
50 into 100 or better 50 out of 100 (which i guess is the correct to call it) is 1 out of 2 or 1/2 or 50% which is 1:1
33.33 into 100 or better 33 out of 100 is 1 out of 3 or one third or 1/3 or 2:1 meaning that we have likeliness of something to happen once opposed to something to happen twice 33% chances
duggs said:
Yea it WAS pretty close, really felt like calling but i sigh-folded cause i hate donk calling. It was the math part that i was curious about. thnks.
DrazaFFT said:
DRAZZAAA, good to see you too man. yea the tourney win was a huge bankroll booster. (although i used 700$ of it to play the TCOOP main event next sunday,wish me luck)
Thanks for the breakdown. Yea pretty much a very bad spot to be in. shouldnt be involved in that hand anyways. Just hoped the button thought it was a good spot to squeeze so i didnt give hime much credit and was hoping i could get UTG and the caller to come along and hit some sort of FD or 2P combo or whatever. I know thats optimistic thinking but watevs. FOLD PRE ALL DAY EVERY DAY is the right play here.
Thanks for the breakdown man.
Figaroo2 said:
FIG, i really appreciate the logic in all of your posts since day one. You have a solid brain bro and the breakdown you made here seems correct. I feel as though he might be on a set as well ,apart from the AK suited that you mentioned which is definitely highly likely. The set cause he just flats the squeeze with me calling in betweenbut i still dont know cause i folded anyway.
Seemed like a fold at first but i had to call 5.57 to win 13 so i thought he was giving me a phenomenally good price( i 4 table zoom so the math is kinda hard with 4 tables beeping.) Bet then i looked again and figured im not good enough to call but i wasnt exactly sure. Your breakdown hit the nail on the head about my question.
thnks bro.
Im confused about what you guys are talking about with the 2/1 and the 3/1 stuff.
Esp with the stuff duggs addes about it having to right X percent of the times.
thnks guys.
Whats up boyz.
Havent been playing ANY cash on stars in the past months due to not being able to deposit on stars due to Capital Controls we have here in Greece.
Its been pretty crappy TBH. Finally i managed to deposit 25$ yesterday and its all i got .
So ive decided to get back to the grind and grind my way back up playing 2NL.
I know nobody is interested in following a 2NL thread but im still gonna be posting here to see where i can take it. For the whole month of October im gonna be grinding strictly cash games within my bankroll limits and see where it goes.
I started off really well and my roll is now at 57$ due to playing great and running good too.
Im going to be updating my progress here along with daily graphs ,stats, hands and cool spots.
I hope to maybe get feedback from some of you cash beasts . Im gonna be posting for motivational purposes and to stay on track.
Im going to be posting Octobers total 2NL ZOOM hands.
This is what i got so far. I'm hoping i can crush 2NL fast so that i can start moving up as soon as possible. As soon as im up to 100$ im going to be shot taking at 5NL and if i drop below 80$ im gonna be moving back down and so on and so fourth.
Enjoy.😛😛😛
My aggression is WAYYYY too low but it seems to be working for now.
Managed to put in 5K hands since yesterday 3 tabling zoom which is pretty good.
Havent been playing ANY cash on stars in the past months due to not being able to deposit on stars due to Capital Controls we have here in Greece.
Its been pretty crappy TBH. Finally i managed to deposit 25$ yesterday and its all i got .
So ive decided to get back to the grind and grind my way back up playing 2NL.
I know nobody is interested in following a 2NL thread but im still gonna be posting here to see where i can take it. For the whole month of October im gonna be grinding strictly cash games within my bankroll limits and see where it goes.
I started off really well and my roll is now at 57$ due to playing great and running good too.
Im going to be updating my progress here along with daily graphs ,stats, hands and cool spots.
I hope to maybe get feedback from some of you cash beasts . Im gonna be posting for motivational purposes and to stay on track.
Im going to be posting Octobers total 2NL ZOOM hands.
This is what i got so far. I'm hoping i can crush 2NL fast so that i can start moving up as soon as possible. As soon as im up to 100$ im going to be shot taking at 5NL and if i drop below 80$ im gonna be moving back down and so on and so fourth.
Enjoy.😛😛😛
My aggression is WAYYYY too low but it seems to be working for now.
Managed to put in 5K hands since yesterday 3 tabling zoom which is pretty good.
lemme start out by posting the biggest winning hand of the entire 5k hands played so far.
lovely hand.
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
Button ($2.03)
SB ($1.30)
BB ($2.08)
UTG ($1.07)
Hero (MP) ($2)
CO ($2)
Preflop: Hero is MP with A
, A
UTG raises to $0.07, Hero calls $0.07,🙂🙂🙂🙂 1 fold, Button calls $0.07, SB raises to $0.12, BB calls $0.10, UTG calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.67, 1 fold, SB calls $0.55, BB calls $0.55, UTG calls $0.55
Flop: ($2.75) 3
, 8
, J
(4 players)
SB bets $0.63 (All-In), BB raises to $1.41 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $1.33 (All-In)
Turn: ($6.04) 9
(3 players, 3 all-in)
River: ($6.04) 6
(3 players, 3 all-in)
Total pot: $6.04 | Rake: $0.21
Results below:
lovely hand.
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
Button ($2.03)
SB ($1.30)
BB ($2.08)
UTG ($1.07)
Hero (MP) ($2)
CO ($2)
Preflop: Hero is MP with A
UTG raises to $0.07, Hero calls $0.07,🙂🙂🙂🙂 1 fold, Button calls $0.07, SB raises to $0.12, BB calls $0.10, UTG calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.67, 1 fold, SB calls $0.55, BB calls $0.55, UTG calls $0.55
Flop: ($2.75) 3
SB bets $0.63 (All-In), BB raises to $1.41 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $1.33 (All-In)
Turn: ($6.04) 9
River: ($6.04) 6
Total pot: $6.04 | Rake: $0.21
Results below:
SB had A
, J
(one pair, Jacks).
BB had 9
, 10
(one pair, nines).
Hero had A
, A
(one pair, Aces).
Outcome: Hero won $5.83
BB had 9
Hero had A
Outcome: Hero won $5.83
Good news.
The Degen in me made me go play 5 dollars at the 20c slot machines.
I decide to play the sparta one cause im Greek.(lol)
I hit a miracle jackpot with a single spin and won something like 100$.
Anyways to make a long story short my roll is now 142$ and im playing 5NL.
im down 4 buy ins and my graph is nothing like the 2NL one. It seems as though players at this level are WAY better. Who would of thought 🙄
heres the 5NL graph so far.
Im calling down ALOTTTTT of hands that i should have been folding either pre or on flop. I have the tendancy to not believe anyone but im getting my act together.
So as you can see, im all over the place. Nothing like 2NL.
Anyways this hand came up and i think its an interesting spot.
What do you do on turn?
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/
Button ($5.29)
SB ($5.48)
BB ($11.95)
UTG ($5.34)
Hero (MP) ($5)
CO ($4.28)
Preflop: Hero is MP with A
, 8
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.10, 2 folds, SB calls $0.08, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.25) 10
, 9
, 7
(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.20, SB calls $0.20
Turn: ($0.65) A
(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.53, SB raises to $2.21, Hero ?????😕😕 is thinking about hero jamming but its probably a mess right?
The Degen in me made me go play 5 dollars at the 20c slot machines.
I decide to play the sparta one cause im Greek.(lol)
I hit a miracle jackpot with a single spin and won something like 100$.
Anyways to make a long story short my roll is now 142$ and im playing 5NL.
im down 4 buy ins and my graph is nothing like the 2NL one. It seems as though players at this level are WAY better. Who would of thought 🙄
heres the 5NL graph so far.
Im calling down ALOTTTTT of hands that i should have been folding either pre or on flop. I have the tendancy to not believe anyone but im getting my act together.
So as you can see, im all over the place. Nothing like 2NL.
Anyways this hand came up and i think its an interesting spot.
What do you do on turn?
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/
Button ($5.29)
SB ($5.48)
BB ($11.95)
UTG ($5.34)
Hero (MP) ($5)
CO ($4.28)
Preflop: Hero is MP with A
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.10, 2 folds, SB calls $0.08, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.25) 10
SB checks, Hero bets $0.20, SB calls $0.20
Turn: ($0.65) A
SB checks, Hero bets $0.53, SB raises to $2.21, Hero ?????😕😕 is thinking about hero jamming but its probably a mess right?
The turn decision is more of a math/odds question than anything b/c your pair of aces is almost never good here. I lean toward folding because of the bad price and the fact that sometimes we are drawing to a chop.
Don't forget that 6k hands =/= a sample.
Don't forget that 6k hands =/= a sample.
Mr Sandbag said:
We have an open ender and we want to be getting more value if we hit + he could have totally missed so i dont see why not? I mean it would be better if we had some backdooor flush possibilities but i dont consider it to be horribad.
I feel like if we check this flop we are playing it a bit too passive. Could be wrong though. Its just the way i see it.