*****Vinyl's GonnaCrushDAmicros 6max thread******

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Man initially I couldn't find you, later I went through the full player list and remembered your pokerstars name was different.
Unlucky, you going to post the bustout?
 
Bustout hand.

Guy to my right is totally loose and is raising everything. It's a turbo and blinds were rising fast so this looked like a good spot to shove(esp versus this particular player).

Check out how i busted. No big deal of course but since you asked here you go:


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 700 Tournament, 75/150 Blinds 20 Ante (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

UTG+1 (t3,509)
MP1 (t2,675)
MP2 (t7,405)
Hero (CO) (t2,939)
Button (t4,139)
SB (t6,083)
BB (t6,377)
UTG (t7,543)

Hero's M: 7.63

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7
diamond.gif
, 7
club.gif

3 folds, MP2 raises to t360, Hero raises to t2,919 (All-In), 3 folds, MP2 calls t2,559

Flop: (t6,223) J
diamond.gif
, 2
diamond.gif
, 5
spade.gif
(2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t6,223) 10
club.gif
(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t6,223) 9
heart.gif
(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t6,223

Results below:
MP2 had 8
diamond.gif
, Q
diamond.gif
(straight, Queen high).
Hero had 7
diamond.gif
, 7
club.gif
(one pair, sevens).
Outcome: MP2 won t6,223
 
But i got more news!!!


This morning i played the hot.4.40 just to kill some time and i was like 6th out of 12 remaining out of like a 3300 field with 2 K up top. Check out what happend. Had i won this hand i woulda easily made final table and maybe even made a little money that mattered.

This is what really hurt! got rivered.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 4.4 Tournament, 25,000/50,000 Blinds 6,250 Ante (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

SB (t1,179,434)
BB (t489,566)
UTG (t668,893)
MP (t1,053,322)
CO (t889,067)
Hero (Button) (t379,694)

Hero's M: 3.38

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q
heart.gif
, Q
spade.gif

1 fold, MP raises to t100,000, 1 fold, Hero raises to t373,444 (All-In), 2 folds, MP calls t273,444

Flop: (t859,388) 5
heart.gif
, 5
spade.gif
, A
diamond.gif
(2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t859,388) 7
spade.gif
(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t859,388) K
diamond.gif
(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t859,388

Results below:
Hero had Q
heart.gif
, Q
spade.gif
(two pair, Queens and fives).
MP had Q
diamond.gif
, K
heart.gif
(two pair, Kings and fives).
Outcome: MP won t859,388


090909

 
Brutal especially the K5.
With the 77 the size of the bounty means he will call light. In these events I've seen shorter stacks leave 200- 500 chips behind which only goes in on good flops. That way there is less incentive to call light as they aren't guaranteed to pick up your bounty. I'm not sure about the shove bud still wriggle room to call or 3bet the 77 there. But hey win that first flip and who knows.
 
Figaroo2 said:
Brutal especially the K5.
With the 77 the size of the bounty means he will call light. In these events I've seen shorter stacks leave 200- 500 chips behind which only goes in on good flops. That way there is less incentive to call light as they aren't guaranteed to pick up your bounty. I'm not sure about the shove bud still wriggle room to call or 3bet the 77 there. But hey win that first flip and who knows.

i have 20 bgs, and i want this guy to call or just pick up the dead money.

In hindsight,money was gonna go in anyway cause he had a FD on the flop.

Anyways,not the end of the world. Thanks for replying man. ur awesome.


The QQ hand hurt most cause i was gonna make minimum 500-1K if i won that hand and i got rivered. oh well..... why couldnt i have run that deep last night.grrrr
 
Scourrge said:
77 is ridiculously standard fwiw.

Nice runs!


you rock scourge. how you been man? gotta check ur thread and see what ur up to.
 
Ha. Not much going on in my thread. Cash has been swingy as of late but at least not trending down currently. More tourneys on the horizons for me, but otherwise not much going on.
 
Scourrge said:
Ha. Not much going on in my thread. Cash has been swingy as of late but at least not trending down currently. More tourneys on the horizons for me, but otherwise not much going on.


I see,i see man. cool. Thats how it is. win some lose some. etc etc. Something good is always around the corner. you never know when its gonna be ur day.



Anyways. lemme post a spot. is jamming this turn too optimistic? Opinions?


PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

Button ($32.59)
SB ($12.11)
Hero (BB) ($11.81)
UTG ($10.55)
MP ($20.27)
CO ($8.08)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2
spade.gif
, 2
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3 folds, Button calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.40, Button calls $0.30, SB calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.20) J
club.gif
, 2
diamond.gif
, 6
spade.gif
(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.31, Button calls $0.31, SB calls $0.31

Turn: ($2.13) Q
spade.gif
(3 players)
SB checks, Hero ? im thinking that jamming here versus 2 will get at least one call right?
 
10 nl on stars is ridiculously easy. and the talent you see there is truly amazing.

example.



PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (Button) ($32.31)
SB ($9.73)
BB ($11.33)
UTG ($13.70)
MP ($12.26)
CO ($1.71)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K
heart.gif
, K
club.gif

UTG raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.35, SB calls $1.30, 1 fold, UTG calls $1.05

Flop: ($4.15) 5
heart.gif
, 8
club.gif
, K
spade.gif
(3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($4.15) Q
spade.gif
(3 players)
SB bets $3.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $30.96 (All-In), SB calls $5.18 (All-In)

River: ($20.91) 8
diamond.gif
(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $20.91 | Rake: $0.94

Results below:
Hero had K
heart.gif
, K
club.gif
(full house, Kings over eights).
SB had 4
club.gif
, 5
club.gif
(two pair, eights and fives).
Outcome: Hero won $19.97
 
22: Not really sure why we would hugely overbet ship a value hand when a scare card hits the turn unless we have a really good reason to think someone would call us with 1 pair here?

KK: NH, people play bad, it's 10nl. 🙂
 
havent played 10NL in more than a month. Binked some nice cash from here and there and roll is pretty healthy.

Been playing 50NL heads up zoom this month whenever i had time and its going alright.


Heads up
 
not really doing anything right now as far as sticking to one game is concerned.

Just playing heads up whenever i have time. Doesnt feel as hard as i thought it would be. Im obviously not playing full time nor do i have a huge sample but its pretty fun and full of action.
 
Some fun spots

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

SB ($64.43)
Hero (BB) ($52.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A
spade.gif
, 3
club.gif

SB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($2) 2
spade.gif
, 6
club.gif
, 3
heart.gif
(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $3.03, SB calls $2.53

Turn: ($8.06) 3
spade.gif
(2 players)
Hero bets $3.77, SB raises to $9.50, Hero calls $5.73

River: ($27.06) 8
diamond.gif
(2 players)
Hero bets $10.62, SB raises to $50.90 (All-In), Hero calls $28 (All-In)

Total pot: $104.30 | Rake: $0.50

Results below:
SB had A
heart.gif
, 5
diamond.gif
(one pair, threes).
Hero had A
spade.gif
, 3
club.gif
(three of a kind, threes).
Outcome: Hero won $103.80
 
Question. Is anyone one playing this differently? More aggressively from our behalf?


PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

Hero (SB) ($83.55)
BB ($114.78)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K
spade.gif
, K
diamond.gif

Hero raises to $1.25, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.50) 2
heart.gif
, 6
spade.gif
, 4
club.gif
(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.07, BB raises to $6.50, Hero calls $4.43

Turn: ($15.50) 4
spade.gif
(2 players)
BB bets $9.50, Hero calls $9.50

River: ($34.50) Q
diamond.gif
(2 players)
BB bets $21.50, Hero calls $21.50

Total pot: $77.50 | Rake: $0.50

Results below:
Hero had K
spade.gif
, K
diamond.gif
(two pair, Kings and fours).
BB had 5
club.gif
, Q
club.gif
(two pair, Queens and fours).
Outcome: Hero won $77
 
Man that is the sickest LAG graph I've ever seen.
Two great call downs here buddy, plus I saw the hand you put in Oreo's thread.
Sure you are going to run into sets occasionally but I don't see any need to get any more agg than you are already playing. The lack of obvious straights and flushes makes these a bit easier, but still tough calls.
Spiros you have the heart of a lion.
I couldn't handle this variance, not many can play this way, I think its great and you have learned the hard way through experience and now its paying for you. #talented
 
Figaroo2 said:
Man that is the sickest LAG graph I've ever seen.
Two great call downs here buddy, plus I saw the hand you put in Oreo's thread.
Sure you are going to run into sets occasionally but I don't see any need to get any more agg than you are already playing. The lack of obvious straights and flushes makes these a bit easier, but still tough calls.
Spiros you have the heart of a lion.
I couldn't handle this variance, not many can play this way, I think its great and you have learned the hard way through experience and now its paying for you. #talented


bro, thanks alot for your kind words. I really appreciate it and it means alot . But truth is im not all that great. GTO wise ,i dont even know what that means.

Ive just played a bunch and am getting used to what works and what doesnt.

LOL@ best lag graph youve ever seen. Truth is i tend to go overboard sometimes but am trying to pick spots and board textures better when i feel like going bananas. Also villain is very important.


In the graph above ,most of it is zoom heads up 50NL and if u look at the player pool theres like maximum 50 guys there doing the same thing over and over. Not too hard to know whos who and to figure out who can be bullied and who cant.

Anyways bud thanks again. good luck to you too man.
 
I would get murdered at 50nl HU I can't even consider it...isn't the rake tough at HU?
It doesn't matter if you understand GTO or not when facing someone as aggro as you. The basis of GTO is that your play is Optimal and cannot be exploited, that's all well and good but it means they have to call you down light to keep you honest . ...but if they choose a couple of wrong spots and lose a couple of buy ins to you.. a lot of guys will start to tilt.
This is partly the point i'm making, its tough to play in the style you are playing so they won't know how to react to you as easily as most other players
 
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The KK hand is perfect. No need for more aggression, imo. More aggression folds out all weaker hands, and keeps all stronger ones in.


Awesome graph.
I played a similar style last week but switched to TAG because LAG is suboptimal at NL2. And besides, I was leaky.
Could revert back to it when I move up, though. Aggro is fun, and a lot of regs are predictable and can be run over that way.


@ Figaroo2: I think the rake at Stars is halved for HU, which makes it doable.
 
Figaroo2 said:
I would get murdered at 50nl HU I can't even consider it...isn't the rake tough at HU?
It doesn't matter if you understand GTO or not when facing someone as aggro as you. The basis of GTO is that your play is Optimal and cannot be exploited, that's all well and good but it means they have to call you down light to keep you honest . ...but if they choose a couple of wrong spots and lose a couple of buy ins to you.. a lot of guys will start to tilt.
This is partly the point i'm making, its tough to play in the style you are playing so they won't know how to react to you as easily as most other players


Yea ive heard that the rake is pretty big at 50NL. I hear its much better at 100NL. But since i dont feel comfortable playing 100NL, cause i dont wanna have to deal with huge swings,i prefer paying the 50NL rake (whatever it is,i dont even know), and keep things simple.

As long as my roll is growing im fine with it.


we can arrange another sweat at some point if you like.
 
Some pretty interesting hands.


PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (SB) ($58.23)
BB ($68.42)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A
spade.gif
, Q
spade.gif

Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $5, Hero calls $3.50

Flop: ($10) J
diamond.gif
, 8
club.gif
, 4
spade.gif
(2 players)
BB bets $4, Hero calls $4 ( his sizing here says he is mega weak 100% of the time)

Turn: ($18) 8
diamond.gif
(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $9.75, BB calls $9.75

River: ($37.50) 3
diamond.gif
(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $20.50, 1 fold (after the second check it looks like hes given up his AK or medium PP and i HAVE TO FIRE HERE. also looks like i picked up a FD on the turn and my sizing looks like im trying to get paid)

Total pot: $37.50 | Rake: $0.50

Results below:
Hero didn't show A
spade.gif
, Q
spade.gif
(one pair, eights).


PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

SB ($86.40)
Hero (BB) ($50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6
club.gif
, 6
heart.gif

SB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($3) Q
spade.gif
, 6
diamond.gif
, J
club.gif
(2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks

Turn: ($3) 10
club.gif
(2 players)
Hero bets $2.48, SB calls $2.48 (im honestly scarred ok AK here )
River: ($7.96) A
club.gif
(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $4.18, Hero calls $4.18 (worse runnout ever.i have to check call here. dont understand why he turned his hand into a bluff here.)

Total pot: $16.32 | Rake: $0.50

Results below:
SB had A
spade.gif
, 10
heart.gif
(two pair, Aces and tens).
Hero had 6
club.gif
, 6
heart.gif
(three of a kind, sixes).
Outcome: Hero won $15.82



PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

SB ($50)
Hero (BB) ($55.93)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6
heart.gif
, A
heart.gif

SB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($2) 7
diamond.gif
, 4
diamond.gif
, 10
club.gif
(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

Turn: ($5) 8
spade.gif
(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $3.58, Hero raises to $14, 1 fold ( dont know why i check raised just felt like i could rep a bizarre straight like j9 or 56)im obviously giving up if he calls this on river depending on the river though.

Total pot: $12.16 | Rake: $0.50

Results below:
Hero didn't show 6
heart.gif
, A
heart.gif
.


 
I really feel like this is a weak laydown. I get 3bet pre, i flat and call huge bets on flop and turn. Even if he does have an overpair he must be scarred of me having a set or a 2 pair hand here(mostly set though since there arent many 2pair hands that i would be callin a 3bet with pre. Also when the FD doesnt make it on the river, all overpairs are checking here to make unimproved FD's to jam.

Im pretty sure he has a FD or AK here and i really feel like i should have called in this spot cause if he really does have an over pair,most players are gonne just check call this river just in case we have a set and also to induce. (problem is i dont know much about this player and he has QQ some of the time here so i just decided to let it go)

thoughts?


PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (SB) ($51.50)
BB ($93.62)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4
club.gif
, 4
spade.gif

Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $4, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($8) 3
diamond.gif
, 9
diamond.gif
, 7
club.gif
(2 players)
BB bets $5.50, Hero calls $5.50

Turn: ($19) Q
club.gif
(2 players)
BB bets $13.32, Hero calls $13.32

River: ($45.64) 2
club.gif
(2 players)
BB bets $44.68, Hero folds

Total pot: $45.64 | Rake: $0.50

Results below:
BB didn't show
 
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

SB ($50.25)
Hero (BB) ($66.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7
club.gif
, 6
diamond.gif

SB raises to $1.24, Hero raises to $3.75, SB calls $2.51

Flop: ($7.50) 4
spade.gif
, 8
diamond.gif
, 5
club.gif
(2 players)
Hero bets $6.22, SB calls $6.22





Turn: ($19.94) 10
spade.gif
(2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks

River: ($19.94) 2
diamond.gif
(2 players)
Hero bets $16.91, SB calls $16.91 he had k8

Total pot: $53.76 | Rake: $0.50

Results below:
SB didn't show
Hero had 7
club.gif
, 6
diamond.gif
(straight, eight high).
Outcome: Hero won $53.26





the magic of inducing 101

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

SB ($50.25)
Hero (BB) ($51.86)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7
heart.gif
, 7
spade.gif

SB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($2) 10
diamond.gif
, 4
heart.gif
, 4
spade.gif
(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $0.72, Hero raises to $1.50, SB calls $0.78

Turn: ($5) J
club.gif
(2 players)
Hero bets $2.75, SB calls $2.75

River: ($10.50) J
spade.gif
(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $10, Hero calls $10

Total pot: $30.50 | Rake: $0.50

Results below:
SB had 9
diamond.gif
, 6
heart.gif
(two pair, Jacks and fours).
Hero had 7
heart.gif
, 7
spade.gif
(two pair, Jacks and sevens).
Outcome: Hero won $30


 
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