xdeucesx said:
thanks alot man. trying to keep my cool. Today was a bit more swingy. took a plunge and then spent half the day getting back to where i was. but its still looking alright.
total graph 10NL including today:
87cc - just because there was a bet and call on turn doesn't mean people can't fold. Based on relative position it's almost impossible for anyone to be particularly strong. There's reading the board and then there's reading the situation. You need to do both. The fact that your river bet worked just means I am right about their hand strength. And you're more likely to get folds by betting turn and river than just firing river - our line doesn't make sense so now they have a much better excuse to call it off wide.
A5hh: Think you're over-thinking things here on the river. You can't say "I'm sizing XYZ because ABC and he'll think I have DEF because of that." Plus, how does cbetting flop and x/r turn ever look weak? Maybe people won't buy it, but it's a line that reps strength, and most of the time villain doesn't have much, so it'll just get through regardless of what he thinks we have.
A5hh: Think you're over-thinking things here on the river. You can't say "I'm sizing XYZ because ABC and he'll think I have DEF because of that." Plus, how does cbetting flop and x/r turn ever look weak? Maybe people won't buy it, but it's a line that reps strength, and most of the time villain doesn't have much, so it'll just get through regardless of what he thinks we have.
Scourrge said:
I see what you mean.thanks for the breakdown. I get your points for both hands and they are valid. Its just that when playing zoom (3 or 4 tables), things get chaotic "while in game" and its just how i was thinking at the given time. Probably got lucky in these hands that they didnt have much.
Thanks for the reply.
Not gonna be grinding much today and tomorrow for obvious reasons. (oh christmas tree ,oh christmas tree)
Hope everyone has a great christmas and we'll be here again soon posting and analyzing stuff.
back to crushing. wasnt playing cash for a few days cause of holiday stuff. today gonna get in some volume and see how this 10NL thing goes.
so far so good.
and heres a hand to act cool.
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com
Hero (Button) ($12.78)
SB ($10.05)
BB ($10.05)
UTG ($24.20)
MP ($5.95)
CO ($10)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 7
, 6
UTG calls $0.10, MP raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.20
Flop: ($1.30) J
, 6
, 9
(4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $0.20, MP raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $1.97, 3 folds
Total pot: $2.70 | Rake: $0.12
Results below:
so far so good.
and heres a hand to act cool.
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com
Hero (Button) ($12.78)
SB ($10.05)
BB ($10.05)
UTG ($24.20)
MP ($5.95)
CO ($10)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 7
UTG calls $0.10, MP raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.20
Flop: ($1.30) J
SB checks, UTG bets $0.20, MP raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $1.97, 3 folds
Total pot: $2.70 | Rake: $0.12
Results below:
Hero didn't show 7
, 6
.
Vinyl I could clearly learn from your aggression. It's too high for my tastes but I'm not going to find fault with it as you are winning at 20bb/100 which is great. You seem to have found a formula that works for you. Let me know if you want to run some sweats on Skype over the weekend. I'm looking for a balance halfway between your chart and mine with a red line around or just above breakeven.
You must be putting on a ton of postflop pressure which I clearly need to do more of.
You must be putting on a ton of postflop pressure which I clearly need to do more of.
Figaroo2 said:
Anytime my man. would be a pleasure. PM me your skype although i think i already have you on my contacts not sure. Gonna get on in the next half hour and we can try running a sweat if you like. changed internet companies last month to save a few bb/100 per month (lol), but the new one im not too pleased with the speed but we can give it a shot.
I dont know if this is of any help to anyone but i 3bet ALL pocket pairs versus any raise from any position and barrel hard close to 85% on any flop that comes. If its Ace high, they fold cause it looks like im repping AA,AK, KK etc.
If its all low and i get a call,im barreling turn hard as well improved or not. If i get another call on the turn unimproved,i really just give up or might sometimes go bananas depending on the runnout or villains.
Its not exactly ABC but its working for me. Its all about figuring out the balance i guess. Not going totally crazy with nothing when the board is very dry and you know your gonna get calls.
Im gonna post a few peculiar spots that im gonna go look for to give some examples.
Its like u have to try to rep the board ALOT if you wanna get the folds your looking for in a bad situation.
Obviously i have a good hand alot of the time but the question is when?
Villains im sure have me tagged as a lunatic by now and i know im not gonna be getting alot of respect from the regs so i use this to my advantage when i have a good hand by following weakish lines to make them percieve it as weakness so that i can get paid off.
If its all low and i get a call,im barreling turn hard as well improved or not. If i get another call on the turn unimproved,i really just give up or might sometimes go bananas depending on the runnout or villains.
Its not exactly ABC but its working for me. Its all about figuring out the balance i guess. Not going totally crazy with nothing when the board is very dry and you know your gonna get calls.
Im gonna post a few peculiar spots that im gonna go look for to give some examples.
Its like u have to try to rep the board ALOT if you wanna get the folds your looking for in a bad situation.
Obviously i have a good hand alot of the time but the question is when?
Villains im sure have me tagged as a lunatic by now and i know im not gonna be getting alot of respect from the regs so i use this to my advantage when i have a good hand by following weakish lines to make them percieve it as weakness so that i can get paid off.
Another thing i noticed is this.
Lets say someone raises with 88 for example from UTG and i 3bet them with 44 or AK suited, or even 53 off(just saying). Our holding dont really matter if we properly know how to repp a hand and play it like we are looking to get as much value as possible.
Im not advocating to play poker this way, im just saying that having a few tricks up our sleeve for wierd spots is always gonna be helpful.
They raise it to 0.30 cents and i 3bet to 1.15 for example or to 1 dollar flat.
Once they flat my 3bet pre,im throwing QQ,KK,AA out of their range instantly. (sometimes they do have it but those are minimal compared to the times they dont at 10NL). If they have a super premiuim like AA,KK, 99% of the time they will be waving a white flag preflop with a 4bet. everything else is just flatting.
Some wiseguys flat KK,QQ and AA to a 3bet pre in order to get paid by your weaker overpair on an all low flop,but its up to us, by making HUD reads, to realise who is capable of this.
So back to the example.
Once the board comes A95 rainbow. or QQK twotoned, or 335 motoned and the pot at this stage is around 2$ - 2.20$, im barreling like 1.45 or even just potting it and im getting a TONNNNNNN of folds as you can see in the graph. If theres a flush draw and i get a call and the turn bricks and the pot is now around 5 ish dollars im gonna go for like 2.90 which most people arent willing to call chasing flushes.
If they do call and i dont improve on river im checking behind at this point and hoping to get to a cheapish showdown and most probably folding to any aggression as it will probably be clear that we are longer good. (if an ace hits on the river and the flush doesnt come into play jamming in this situation is fine as all middlish PP's that floated us and put us on AK will snap fold at this point due to our line). Paying attention to how pot commited they are is very important here in this spot.
I could sit here and talk mumbo jumbo all day long but i dont have anything very coherent to say.
Just some thoughts.
What im trying to say here is basically that setmining is a weak strategy and nobody guarantess you that your gonna get paid if you just flat a raise with a pair and hope to hit a set.
If we try to play these pairs aggressively instead of passively ,that its possible to get paid better when you do hit your set versus someone that flatted our 3bet pre with AK and spiked an ace or a king on the flop thatn if you just flatted and the flop came QJA and you then HAD to fold to any villains standard cbet with anything.
I try to be the aggressor in every hand i play and this way i can keep things under my control instead of having to play the guessing game whether i should call someones bet or not.
somewhere in between all the pressure,you allow them to make HUGE mistakes, make folds that im sure I wouldnt even believe they made and get paid off better the times We actually DO HAVE a hand......
Lets say someone raises with 88 for example from UTG and i 3bet them with 44 or AK suited, or even 53 off(just saying). Our holding dont really matter if we properly know how to repp a hand and play it like we are looking to get as much value as possible.
Im not advocating to play poker this way, im just saying that having a few tricks up our sleeve for wierd spots is always gonna be helpful.
They raise it to 0.30 cents and i 3bet to 1.15 for example or to 1 dollar flat.
Once they flat my 3bet pre,im throwing QQ,KK,AA out of their range instantly. (sometimes they do have it but those are minimal compared to the times they dont at 10NL). If they have a super premiuim like AA,KK, 99% of the time they will be waving a white flag preflop with a 4bet. everything else is just flatting.
Some wiseguys flat KK,QQ and AA to a 3bet pre in order to get paid by your weaker overpair on an all low flop,but its up to us, by making HUD reads, to realise who is capable of this.
So back to the example.
Once the board comes A95 rainbow. or QQK twotoned, or 335 motoned and the pot at this stage is around 2$ - 2.20$, im barreling like 1.45 or even just potting it and im getting a TONNNNNNN of folds as you can see in the graph. If theres a flush draw and i get a call and the turn bricks and the pot is now around 5 ish dollars im gonna go for like 2.90 which most people arent willing to call chasing flushes.
If they do call and i dont improve on river im checking behind at this point and hoping to get to a cheapish showdown and most probably folding to any aggression as it will probably be clear that we are longer good. (if an ace hits on the river and the flush doesnt come into play jamming in this situation is fine as all middlish PP's that floated us and put us on AK will snap fold at this point due to our line). Paying attention to how pot commited they are is very important here in this spot.
I could sit here and talk mumbo jumbo all day long but i dont have anything very coherent to say.
Just some thoughts.
What im trying to say here is basically that setmining is a weak strategy and nobody guarantess you that your gonna get paid if you just flat a raise with a pair and hope to hit a set.
If we try to play these pairs aggressively instead of passively ,that its possible to get paid better when you do hit your set versus someone that flatted our 3bet pre with AK and spiked an ace or a king on the flop thatn if you just flatted and the flop came QJA and you then HAD to fold to any villains standard cbet with anything.
I try to be the aggressor in every hand i play and this way i can keep things under my control instead of having to play the guessing game whether i should call someones bet or not.
somewhere in between all the pressure,you allow them to make HUGE mistakes, make folds that im sure I wouldnt even believe they made and get paid off better the times We actually DO HAVE a hand......
Some examples of maximum pressure and repping the board. This stuff looks so bad (from my behalf) but its working well for me.
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/
Button ($9.76)
SB ($20.56)
Hero (BB) ($10)
UTG ($10.85)
MP ($17.50)
CO ($15.73)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Q
, K
UTG raises to $0.30, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.65) J
, 9
, 2
(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.31, Hero raises to $1.27, UTG raises to $2.50, Hero calls $1.23 ( the call here is questionable,and probably even horrendous but im not buying his line and in particluar his 50% bet on the flop looks kinda weak imo+ i can always spike a ten or hit an overcard and i feel like the price is right)
Turn: ($5.65) 9
(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks (his check here is a white flag saying :i want a cheap showdown and i dont like that turn card so he forces me to pot river and put him in the spot he doesnt want to be in)
River: ($5.65) 8
(2 players)
Hero bets $5.40, 1 fold (when all else fails,it looks like i have to rep either a boat or a flush. Here the way the hand plays out it looks like i have a flush minimum so its very hard for villains to call with most of their range)
Total pot: $5.65 | Rake: $0.25
Results below:
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php
Button ($38.74)
SB ($12.13)
Hero (BB) ($10.42)
UTG ($10.70)
MP ($24.73)
CO ($10)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 10
, A
3 folds, Button raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, Button calls $0.70
Flop: ($2.05) K
, 9
, 7
(2 players)
Hero bets $1.01, Button calls $1.01
Turn: ($4.07) 6
(2 players)
Hero bets $3.03, 1 fold
Total pot: $4.07 | Rake: $0.18
Results below:
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/
Button ($9.76)
SB ($20.56)
Hero (BB) ($10)
UTG ($10.85)
MP ($17.50)
CO ($15.73)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Q
UTG raises to $0.30, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.65) J
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.31, Hero raises to $1.27, UTG raises to $2.50, Hero calls $1.23 ( the call here is questionable,and probably even horrendous but im not buying his line and in particluar his 50% bet on the flop looks kinda weak imo+ i can always spike a ten or hit an overcard and i feel like the price is right)
Turn: ($5.65) 9
Hero checks, UTG checks (his check here is a white flag saying :i want a cheap showdown and i dont like that turn card so he forces me to pot river and put him in the spot he doesnt want to be in)
River: ($5.65) 8
Hero bets $5.40, 1 fold (when all else fails,it looks like i have to rep either a boat or a flush. Here the way the hand plays out it looks like i have a flush minimum so its very hard for villains to call with most of their range)
Total pot: $5.65 | Rake: $0.25
Results below:
Hero didn't show Q
, K
(one pair, nines).
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php
Button ($38.74)
SB ($12.13)
Hero (BB) ($10.42)
UTG ($10.70)
MP ($24.73)
CO ($10)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 10
3 folds, Button raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, Button calls $0.70
Flop: ($2.05) K
Hero bets $1.01, Button calls $1.01
Turn: ($4.07) 6
Hero bets $3.03, 1 fold
Total pot: $4.07 | Rake: $0.18
Results below:
Hero didn't show 10
, A
.
Vinyl I'm available for most of the next 6 hours for sweats via Skype.
QK If we were up against a late position raise id love it.
I don't like the QK hand preflop for the fact that the vill is UTG and has a stronger range. In fact I don't even like a call there as we are often dominated as well.
If we get a high card flops like Axx or Kxx Qxx we are often toast.
Monotone boards are always good to rep, especially if we have the A.
QK If we were up against a late position raise id love it.
I don't like the QK hand preflop for the fact that the vill is UTG and has a stronger range. In fact I don't even like a call there as we are often dominated as well.
If we get a high card flops like Axx or Kxx Qxx we are often toast.
Monotone boards are always good to rep, especially if we have the A.
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
Button ($24.02)
SB ($9.41)
BB ($7.45)
UTG ($10.15)
MP ($13.39)
Hero (CO) ($11.31)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Q
, A
1 fold, MP raises to $0.35, Hero calls $0.35, 1 fold, SB calls $0.30, BB calls $0.25
Flop: ($1.40) 4
, J
, 6
(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks
Turn: ($1.40) 3
(4 players)
SB bets $0.70, BB calls $0.70, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.70
River: ($3.50) 5
(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3.34, 2 folds
Total pot: $3.50 | Rake: $0.16
Results below:
Button ($24.02)
SB ($9.41)
BB ($7.45)
UTG ($10.15)
MP ($13.39)
Hero (CO) ($11.31)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Q
1 fold, MP raises to $0.35, Hero calls $0.35, 1 fold, SB calls $0.30, BB calls $0.25
Flop: ($1.40) 4
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks
Turn: ($1.40) 3
SB bets $0.70, BB calls $0.70, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.70
River: ($3.50) 5
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3.34, 2 folds
Total pot: $3.50 | Rake: $0.16
Results below:
Hero didn't show Q
, A
(high card, Ace).
Played the sunday million last night. Was 3 hours into it and was playing great and suddenly this happened.
Do you, or do you not, punch through your laptops screen? this hand was gonna send me to the top 100. 850 places are paid. this is a 215$ buy in and for me it was like almost 30% of my roll.
what are the chances that someone gets runner runner on turn and river for quads?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 215 Tournament, 250/500 Blinds 50 Ante (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/
MP2 (t37,339)
MP3 (t14,862)
CO (t17,712)
Button (t6,830)
SB (t19,280)
BB (t15,998)
Hero (UTG) (t15,372)
UTG+1 (t22,026)
MP1 (t37,584)
Hero's M: 12.81
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8
, 8
Hero calls t500, 1 fold, MP1 calls t500, MP2 raises to t1,250, MP3 raises to t3,500, 2 folds, SB calls t3,250, 1 fold, Hero calls t3,000, 1 fold, MP2 calls t2,250
Flop: (t15,450) 6
, A
, 8
(4 players)
SB bets t15,730 (All-In), Hero calls t11,822 (All-In), 2 folds
Turn: (t39,094) A
(2 players, 2 all-in)
River: (t39,094) A
(2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: t39,094
Results below:
Do you, or do you not, punch through your laptops screen? this hand was gonna send me to the top 100. 850 places are paid. this is a 215$ buy in and for me it was like almost 30% of my roll.
what are the chances that someone gets runner runner on turn and river for quads?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 215 Tournament, 250/500 Blinds 50 Ante (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/
MP2 (t37,339)
MP3 (t14,862)
CO (t17,712)
Button (t6,830)
SB (t19,280)
BB (t15,998)
Hero (UTG) (t15,372)
UTG+1 (t22,026)
MP1 (t37,584)
Hero's M: 12.81
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8
Hero calls t500, 1 fold, MP1 calls t500, MP2 raises to t1,250, MP3 raises to t3,500, 2 folds, SB calls t3,250, 1 fold, Hero calls t3,000, 1 fold, MP2 calls t2,250
Flop: (t15,450) 6
SB bets t15,730 (All-In), Hero calls t11,822 (All-In), 2 folds
Turn: (t39,094) A
River: (t39,094) A
Total pot: t39,094
Results below:
SB had K
, A
(four of a kind, Aces).
Hero had 8
, 8
(full house, Aces over eights).
Outcome: SB won t39,094
Hero had 8
Outcome: SB won t39,094
LOL
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
Hero (Button) ($42.76)
SB ($8.93)
BB ($20.57)
UTG ($12.24)
MP ($8.03)
CO ($11.45)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 9
, 5
1 fold, MP raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.40, 1 fold, BB calls $1.30, 1 fold, CO calls $1.10
Flop: ($4.55) 8
, 5
, J
(3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $1.60, BB calls $1.60, 1 fold
Turn: ($7.75) 5
(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB calls $3
River: ($13.75) K
(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6.82, BB calls $6.82
Total pot: $27.39 | Rake: $1.23
Results below:
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
Hero (Button) ($42.76)
SB ($8.93)
BB ($20.57)
UTG ($12.24)
MP ($8.03)
CO ($11.45)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 9
1 fold, MP raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.40, 1 fold, BB calls $1.30, 1 fold, CO calls $1.10
Flop: ($4.55) 8
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $1.60, BB calls $1.60, 1 fold
Turn: ($7.75) 5
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB calls $3
River: ($13.75) K
BB checks, Hero bets $6.82, BB calls $6.82
Total pot: $27.39 | Rake: $1.23
Results below:
Hero had 9
, 5
(three of a kind, fives).
BB didn't show
Outcome: Hero won $26.16
BB didn't show
Outcome: Hero won $26.16
Red line climbing all day log.
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php
Button ($21.76)
SB ($2.22)
BB ($15.82)
UTG ($6.90)
MP ($14.92)
Hero (CO) ($10.15)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 10
, J
1 fold, MP raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 3 folds
Flop: ($0.75) 6
, 8
, 9
(2 players)
MP bets $0.40, Hero raises to $1.14, MP calls $0.74
Turn: ($3.03) 3
(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $2.10, 1 fold
Total pot: $3.03 | Rake: $0.14
Results below:
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php
Button ($21.76)
SB ($2.22)
BB ($15.82)
UTG ($6.90)
MP ($14.92)
Hero (CO) ($10.15)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 10
1 fold, MP raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 3 folds
Flop: ($0.75) 6
MP bets $0.40, Hero raises to $1.14, MP calls $0.74
Turn: ($3.03) 3
MP checks, Hero bets $2.10, 1 fold
Total pot: $3.03 | Rake: $0.14
Results below:
Hero didn't show 10
, J
.