Would you fold KK ?

I have folded a lot of kk in early position where when opening the hand they only call and aces and double cards fall on the flop when I have a position and the other opens usually almost always I try to put the chips to the center by 3bet or 4bet the true few times foldearia kk

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For me it's a passion. I play alot of freerolls and that dosent cost me money. I do play cash home games and they are entertainment. Don't get me wrong, I like to win, but if you play what you can afford to lose, some of the best entertainment in the world.

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Same thing happens to me, very frustrating. I've tried asking for help and alls they do if refer me to the rules to fill this out, do posts,etc. Even more frustrating. I've already done all they ask. I've been posting my tail off and hope when I get the 75 needed for platinum, I'll be able to see the passwords. If not, I may move on.

KK is a very strong hand in poker, but it all depends on what kind of board and what opponent, I have folded such hands more than once during all the time I play, and most of the times I was right!

I almost never fold Kings pre, but depending on the board I most certainly will. Painful though.

Call and pray...in that order.
Regards.

Yes, I have... People hit on hands, showdowns are dangerous

Depends how is the table, if the players are loose .... there are many possibilities...

Preflop: (Probably) Never

But there is some exemptions after the flop, as 4 Cards of the same suit in the table (and none of your cards complete the flush).

So many variables with this scenario. odds are he has an A but less likely to have 2. May have a pocket pair. Also depends on how long you’ve been playing. Have they been loose all game? Just trying for a quick double up? Too many questions to say either way

Never folding KK pre, you are much more often would be ahead of other players, so this it would be wrong decision on a distance IMHO

With a starting hand, KK would not fold, I would rather play an all-in for each hand of that kind.

Pair

If he has AK/AQ always all in w/KK or QQ it is still pair i rather choose pair

abbershey said:

all in

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probably my default play from the information I have. As others commented, many details are left out. History with players and their tendencies? Cash game, or MMT format? Stakes? Play-chips among friends at a home game or high stakes in a casino? These factors matter because even though the math is the same: things may become skewed as opponents play differently under different atmospheres.

molokheia said:

Hi There
Remember that KK is a premium hand.
I would call
Would fold only if theres an Ax in the flop, turn or river
Rgds

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From what I've heard, I am likely shoving KK. The premium hand KK is usually good enough to play for the rest of your chips as AA is very unlikely from a statistical standpoint. Even when they have AA against our unlucky spot of KK, we still get the "upset" win about 1 every 5 times. I wouldn't like an Ace to hit the community cards (as you note), but even if it does hit, that doesn't mean they have an Ace.

By shoving All-in, I am hoping my fold equity can get some folds - especially Ace-rag hands like A3 or A6 etc. I would rather not be holding my breath against an Ace. With multiple opponents in the pot, there is a much great chance one of them will have an Ace and the combined outs from all opponents gives us less chance at winning (why raising and isolating with premium hands is usually better).

I could be wrong by inferring this, but the post sounds to me like it is just a friendly game among friends and probably very low stakes or play-chips. I'd surely shove with KK - we are probably ahead of whatever they hold the vast majority of the time here.

Finally, the lower stack sizes and stack to pot ratio suggests that we should be more inclined to shoving here. I think it is a statistical nightmare to take a line like continuing for one or two bets to the River, an Ace lands on the River, and then we fold the best hand. The situation is not fun, but I think we would have to just call it off - to avoid this situation (and apply maximum pressure with fold equity on the shove), I think All-in is the stronger play.

I'm alway All-in with KK
I don't believe other player has AA. that percentage is only 0.453(1/220)

In some cases, you have to not only drop KK but also AA, although this solution is not easy.

777brio said:

With a starting hand, KK would not fold, I would rather play an all-in for each hand of that kind.

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Many novice players find it difficult to bury pocket kings, even when an ACE is on the Board. The fact that they have the second best starting hand on their hands just clouds their brain over the fact that they are already batted in. And they just keep pulling their kings until the showdown, giving away a decent amount of chips to their opponents with a pair of aces.

With aces and kings, it's important to remember that there are a huge number of hands that can beat you in the postflop. After all, if you don't make it to the set, you only have one pair. Therefore, consider also situations in which you can lose money, and not only those in which you can win. Don't let your mind try to ignore and avoid this negativity.

The main rule when drawing kings is to put powerfully and not slow down. You should not give your opponents the opportunity to drive and steal a big pot from under your nose. But if the flop is very unpleasant for us, then we will have to throw it away.

How I would have played it.

So after the bet of $120 you bet $480. I imagine you were looking for some folds. Either from the one player or both but then...…..you were shocked when you got re-raised even more.

I would have just reraised to $240 instead of $480. There's value to raise with KK and so betting $480 sounds like you were trying to get the other two to fold so you can take a measily pot versus a nice one.

Obviously, you were shocked when you got re-raised or else this post wouldn't exist. However, if you had reraised to $240, maybe the villain would not have raised you as much. Maybe the villain would have raised you to an amount you would have been comfortable calling......OR.......if he would have raised you that much anyway and you folded......atleast it would have been less you would have lost.

Either way, with KK? My only goal would have been to get to that flop. With AA I don't care but KK can be beaten soooooooo......my goal would have been to raise...but raise low enough so I can be comfortable calling a possible reraise and seeing that flop.

Raising that much so the other players can fold....inadvertently gave the other player the same idea with what I believe...........were pocket Aces.

Good fold if you did. Next time, with KK.....raise but ......don't raise so much. I do believe the actions from our villain post flop would have been a little more telling to what he had. Who knows...maybe you would have hit three-of-kind on the flop. Good Luck!

If he's a NIT he could easily have Aces, it depends generally on your opponent. If he's aggressive I would certainly make a call if he's goin' all-in. He could have AKs but on the small blind? Villain making that kind of play is very confusing.

Nevur evur pre!! If you do, you might aswell quit altogether.. post is obviously a different scenario.. multiway w/ ace on board? Fold, ofcourse unless it's a small raise..

Even in an satellite where I'm way ahead w/ 7 players & 5 seats I'd probably still play it despite it not being the smartest thing to do.,

In tournament when 2 people go all in yes i fold ��

Shove of course

Never fold KK preflop

I sink all inn will be good here