Any advice on building BR with 50$ start?

alophind · Feb 3, 2009

Hi , Already managed to make 50$ to 500$ once and then lost it all on PS tilt

I was wandering now , what would you recommand doing with 50$ ? play 0.25/0.50 ? micro MTT ? double or nothing ?

Thx.

WVHillbilly · Feb 3, 2009

If you think playinging .25/.5o is smart with a $50 roll I see how you lost $500 last time. With $50 you need to be play $1 or $2 SnGs or 2nl. Search BRM here and read. BRM is THE most important skill to have as a poker player.

BelgoSuisse · Feb 3, 2009

alophind said:
Hi , Already managed to make 50$ to 500$ once and then lost it all on PS tilt

I was wandering now , what would you recommand doing with 50$ ? play 0.25/0.50 ? micro MTT ? double or nothing ?

Thx.

Can you reload at will or is $50 a lot of money for you?

If $50 is your whole bankroll, then you should not play higher than $2 sngs, $1 MTTs and $0.01/0.02, because playing anything higher gives you a high risk of ruin due to the natural variance of the game, even if you are a winning player.

If you want to play 0.25/0.50, you should have at the very least $1000 available (either deposited or available somewhere else in case you need to reload once you go busto)

All this assumes you're a winning player. There's no bankroll big enough to prevent a looser from going busto.

BC7Falcons7 · Feb 3, 2009

would play sit n gos

I would start off with $5 sit n goes. I would say single table, however if you do play a multi table I wouldnt start off with anything over 27 or 3 tables. GL

Wolfpack43ACC · Feb 3, 2009

I don't believe in BR management with such small bankrolls. playing $2 sng's is a joke, and no different than playing in $5 sng's which is the minimum you should be playing IMO. this bankroll is so small you are trying to jump start it. not spend 12 hours playing $2 sng's. There is no wrong way to play with your bankroll. That is why it is yours. Some people have more gamble than others, and some people are strictly #'s people. While I believe bankroll management is something every poker should understand I disagree it is the greatest skill. Even numerous pros have said if you actually want to make it in this game and continue to climb the ladder, you have to be willing to play out of your bankroll at times and take a risk.

housebreaker · Feb 3, 2009

hard to say,what works for some may not work for you

maybe try cheap ring games, could be your thing

good luck whatever you decide

burntrider · Feb 3, 2009

IMO, think about it like sitting at a $1/$2 NL table in the casino. Table min buy-in is $50 and max buy-in is $300. Don't try to win with the minimum when everyone probably has more than the maximum. Just a thought.

elmanchapo · Feb 3, 2009

just play very ultra tigth, the less hands as posible in very lw limit tables, and small sits...use the 5% of ur bank roll til u get 2k go down to 2% of ur bank roll. bank roll managment its everything.

justadream82 · Feb 3, 2009

I would start playing cheap 1 or 2 dollar sngs practicing good brm. It should definitely benefit you reading the articles posted here about it.

1rainbow · Feb 3, 2009

i would of cashed out all but $50 & started again, some would think that soft, but i'm not much of a gambler, then too being female maybe i want to shop more lol

alophind said:
Hi , Already managed to make 50$ to 500$ once and then lost it all on PS tilt

I was wandering now , what would you recommand doing with 50$ ? play 0.25/0.50 ? micro MTT ? double or nothing ?

Thx.

sassy_sue299 · Feb 3, 2009

Well i see you are getting alot of tips,hope they work :0,now on thing i would do.If you play sit and goes,try playing the onse with better paying odds.Like 9 players,3 places pay,,90 players 18 places pay,better chances,the 45 player ones are not to bad,7 places pay,,but I don't like them to much.if you play an 18 player one,only 4 places pay,and it is harder,where a 9 plyer on,only half ppl,and 3 places pay.So depends on how long you want to play,and how much of an increase,try doing just 9,90,180 player ones,,,or the low buting tourneys,you win good money,,if you like tourneys

.I myself like sit and goes more,but do the odd tourney,,,tc,and gl,,,i also like a few ring games :0 but thats me

.Hope this helped.

nevadanick · Feb 3, 2009

Wolfpack43ACC said:
I don't believe in BR management with such small bankrolls. playing $2 sng's is a joke, and no different than playing in $5 sng's which is the minimum you should be playing IMO. this bankroll is so small you are trying to jump start it. not spend 12 hours playing $2 sng's. There is no wrong way to play with your bankroll. That is why it is yours. Some people have more gamble than others, and some people are strictly #'s people. While I believe bankroll management is something every poker should understand I disagree it is the greatest skill. Even numerous pros have said if you actually want to make it in this game and continue to climb the ladder, you have to be willing to play out of your bankroll at times and take a risk.

A BR is whatever it means to the individual player. Sure, $50 is 'small' by standards but if you are not prepared to re-deposit over and over and over, then $50 IS a BR. Treat it as such, imo.

I have small BR's on several sites and have NO, zero, interest in 'jump starting' it. Playing $5 SnG's you suggest as a 'minimum' you have 9 chances to cash enough to get your $50 back, expecting a profit above that (for that 'jump start'). More than likely, you will be re-loading another $50.

Sure, if there is a 'special' game you want to play - do so by all means. I played the Stars Guinness World Record game, above my BR, just because I wanted to be a part of it. Haven't done it again since then.

Easy for 'pros' to say a lot of things, but defining what they meant is something else. A $5 SnG with a $50 roll is not what they mean, imo. If you expect to make a +ROI on $50 in 9 SnG's, then you better be a really darn good player, or be very, very lucky.

BelgoSuisse · Feb 3, 2009

nevadanick said:
A $5 SnG with a $50 roll is not what they mean, imo. If you expect to make a +ROI on $50 in 9 SnG's, then you better be a really darn good player, and be very, very lucky.

FYP.

even darn good players often have streaks of 9 SnG's without cashing. No matter how good you are, you can only succeed with luck when playing above your BR.

odinscott · Feb 3, 2009

you need to decide what your total br is (not just what you have online, unless that is indeed everything that you are willing to play with)

then and only then can you decide what stakes are correct for your situation

if you are willing to reload, i surely wouldnt practice the 50bi rule with only 50 dollars

i would start with something like 4 tables of .5/.10 with auto rebuy on
this way you stay with a full stack and have 1 bi behind

if you have 5 or 6 hundred set aside for poker, but only 50 online, then this shouldnt be a problem

iveyrocks21 · Feb 3, 2009

$50 was my opening BR and I stick to the $1.25 or $2.25 SNG's.
Has been pretty profitable for me. You just need to tick to proper management once your BR increases.

Chizzle0323 · Feb 3, 2009

Wolfpack43ACC said:
I don't believe in BR management with such small bankrolls. playing $2 sng's is a joke, and no different than playing in $5 sng's which is the minimum you should be playing IMO. this bankroll is so small you are trying to jump start it. not spend 12 hours playing $2 sng's. There is no wrong way to play with your bankroll. That is why it is yours. Some people have more gamble than others, and some people are strictly #'s people. While I believe bankroll management is something every poker should understand I disagree it is the greatest skill. Even numerous pros have said if you actually want to make it in this game and continue to climb the ladder, you have to be willing to play out of your bankroll at times and take a risk.

I completely agree with that. Must be done in moderation of course, but something necessary now and then for certain personalities. I took a risk last night and used a small portion of my BR to play on a 2/4 ring game, and ended up winning about $700. Although now, the tough part is going back to proper BRM and remaining content with small gains....rather than a big night like i had last night. Discipline and patience are key.

serendipity · Feb 3, 2009

Freeroll until you have $75, and then begin to play $5 mtt's and sng's. Continue to do this until you get to $150 (where you will increase your buy-in). Or if you fall back below $50, freeroll until you get back to $75.

micalupagoo · Feb 3, 2009

tough thing this BRM
what does money mean to you (is 50$ a lot or is 1000$ nothing?)
are you depositing or strictly a freeroll winning player (til bankroll comes at least)
Ive won and lost a fair bit on many sites, and have only deposited on jetset which has been gone for many years- so my money took me much time and gaming- so i hate to lose it all going for the gold and have a 0$ balance again.
i usually do tournies (gareenteed and added money are great), small sit and gos, and the cheap ring games- but have played up to 2$blinds ( and usually lost more at higher stake tables)
even last night i lost 25$ on my 100$ acct- a lot with proper BRM- but its back again, sometimes you get bad streaks or lucky, ya know
do what works for you, as you can afford, and slowly build- or just keep moving up the buy in and win that million ( which is still my goal

i may and should just deposit a few hundred and play the real games for real serious money cuz really a few bucks dont mean much and I realize the time Ive wasted on freerolls just to get a few bucks is retarted,
but thats poker
ps i have successfully cashed out about 1500$ a yr or two ago and probally have $200+ on all my various sites right now
but wheres my million???lol

garykelleher · Feb 3, 2009

dont move up sit and goes till u have at least 40 buy ins for the higher levels. dont sit down with more than 2 percent of your bankroll (higher than 100 dollars...)

roy22284 · Feb 3, 2009

My Advice For Starting a BR with $50!

First and foremost, don't think you will win every tournament you enter!
Find out which game you feel most comfortable in- NL, PL, Holdem, razz, horse, etc.
Set a limit to what you will call in each round of betting and for which kind of hand.
Enter yourself into some single table or head to head tournies first, then move onto the larger ones. Keep in mind, it will be more realistic to set your goals towards the smaller tournies!
play tight, play right! HOPE YOU HAVE FUN AND WINNNNNNNNNN......

spranger · Feb 4, 2009

My BR I have going right now started from 50$ on Stars, over 500$ now and still rollin.
Just dummy 2NL til you have 200$ then dummy 10NL til you have 500$.

DarkAceMafia · Feb 4, 2009

You can definately start with the .5/.10 NL , I read as a rule of thumb, always come to the table with at least 30x the blind in a cash game. Once you accumulated enough winnings of 30x the next level buy-in, then you can move up. Low limit sit-n-gos is another great choice. I recommend to play very patient in the Sit-n-go's, it should take you a long way.

alophind · Feb 4, 2009

sassy_sue299 said:
Well i see you are getting alot of tips,hope they work :0,now on thing i would do.If you play sit and goes,try playing the onse with better paying odds.Like 9 players,3 places pay,,90 players 18 places pay,better chances,the 45 player ones are not to bad,7 places pay,,but I don't like them to much.if you play an 18 player one,only 4 places pay,and it is harder,where a 9 plyer on,only half ppl,and 3 places pay.So depends on how long you want to play,and how much of an increase,try doing just 9,90,180 player ones,,,or the low buting tourneys,you win good money,,if you like tourneys .I myself like sit and goes more,but do the odd tourney,,,tc,and gl,,,i also like a few ring games :0 but thats me .Hope this helped.

Thank you ALL for the info.
Another question , Turbo tourny vs. regular ?
I play tight , so usually i manage to get to high places (like top 20 in 180 players tourny) but because I'm tight , I'm getting there short stack and the turbo blinds eat me...

alophind · Feb 4, 2009

odinscott said:
you need to decide what your total br is (not just what you have online, unless that is indeed everything that you are willing to play with)

then and only then can you decide what stakes are correct for your situation

if you are willing to reload, i surely wouldnt practice the 50bi rule with only 50 dollars

i would start with something like 4 tables of .5/.10 with auto rebuy on
this way you stay with a full stack and have 1 bi behind

if you have 5 or 6 hundred set aside for poker, but only 50 online, then this shouldnt be a problem

The art of Multi Tabling ...

Tried playing 3 tables (6max not FR) and it was very very fast.
Are you guys using any tool to help manage that?

odinscott · Feb 5, 2009

alophind said:
The art of Multi Tabling ...
Tried playing 3 tables (6max not FR) and it was very very fast.
Are you guys using any tool to help manage that?

just start with 2 until you can handle more

i have only played 4 at a time on ftp, but didnt really see much of a diff there than on stars

on stars i can do 8 near perfectly and can do 15 at micros setmining and playing premiums only (alot harder to do at higher levels and get paid off)

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