Chip dumping

What is the general consensus on this topic. I was playin the 18K last night and during the first 35 min or so, "Player A" has about 3200 chips. He then proceeds to calls someones all in on the river with a 4 and 9 in his hand, with no pair or draw showing on the board. This took him to 1400 or so. Very next hand, he gives away another 1100 on a similar situation paying someone off to river with no pair and no draw. Then doubles up his 400 on a pair of 3's(im figurin he was tryin to lose this hand also) then his final hand the board shows 910J rainbow. He is heads up with someone who pushes in 1500, and "Player A" calls his last 800 with an A5 off suit. He was of course behind and lost the hand. While all this is going on, I asked several times what the hell was going on to see if he had an emergency or something, and there was no response. What suprised me even more was that none of the other 8 people at the table seemed to care or say anything. From what Ive read before, the proper ettiquette when you are unable to play is to fold your blinds and let normal play continue. Chip dumping can change the whole course of a tourney in my mind. Ive seen people get tired 150 minutes in and still not in money and make a harsh decision not caring whether they are really behind or not. But 35 minutes in, you shouldn't have started if you didnt want to play. Look forward to your responses!!!!!!!!

umm its wrong?

ythelongface said:

umm its wrong?

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umm, yup.

People play like this so often, it's hard to tell, contact support if you really feel dumping was taking place.

anytime you suspect collusion of any kind, take down the tourney and/or table numbers and contact support...

anytime you suspect collusion of any kind, take down the tourney and/or table numbers and contact support...

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This is the best thing to do in this situation.
I have had to report on several occations collusion in the sngs on numberous sites.
It is pretty common in the 5/10 level of 9 person sngs to find collusion unfortuantly.

I noticed before in a few of the regional freerolls for the APPT Manila I was playing that one guy was blatantly using two accounts... he really went out of his (or her) was to hide it by using the exact same username on both accounts with the addition of the number 1 at the end of the 2nd one. Emailed stars support and didn't see him in any of the subsequent tourneys.

Definitely is a red flag for collusion the sites are supposed to protect us from that but all they do is restrict folks from playing the same game that have the same URL. When it comes to money or even play money for that matter people cheat either by using IM or some other bs. I find that if you play soundly you end up outlasting them alll anyways but it does make for a really unfair sit and go especially single table versions.

I hate cheaters more than anything.

online poker is really getting ugly sometimes.

A few bad apples spoil the bunch

I've suspected chip dumping was going on a few times, and reported collusion to the poker sites.

Unfortunately, the sites will never tell you if it actually was or wasn't collusion, so the only thing you can do is keep your eyes open for it.

But most of the time, it's just a really bad player trying to steal a pot with a bonehead move.

I would have to believe that this sort of thing is pretty rare and when it does happen it is inevitably noticed and stopped.

After seeing a dump in the rings and taking a look at both players, because they had their search feature open (I had a few minutes for lurking ), I noticed a couple things and reported collusion to Stars. This was about a month ago. They sent me several emails as follows.
1. They would look at this carefully.
2. A detailed investigation would take approx. time...longer than normal. Players were being questioned about the situation and specific details.
3. I was right. Actions were taken. Both players were banned.

****-up before conspiracy (aka Hanlon's razor)....stated slightly more elaborately this says:

Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice.

More often than not, you just need to deal w/ it and move on. Personally, I will admit I have dumped freeroll chips a couple times but hardly blatantly...limit Razz comes to mind

Clearly, if you get called away for whatever reason, simply sitting out is the best, fairest course of action for the remaining players.

gl on the fuzzy

chip dumping

If you are unable or unwilling to continue in a tournament it is better to just sit out the remainder, it is disrespectful to just keep betting or calling with nothing. Along the same line, one wonders if they were dumping the chips to a "friend".

It doesn't seem like this was collusion, just bad etiquette. From what I can tell this player "dumped" chips to a couple different people and it is very unlikely that he had more than 1 "friend" on the same table, but who knows. I have always thought "chip dumping" was purposely calling with nothing to "give" chips to someone you know in the hopes of giving them an advantage, but maybe Im wrong.

ye ,,it sounds to me that this player just got fed up of the tourny and just had a blow out with his chips,,ive done it myself as well has many a poker online player

I hate it when players do this, even if the say that are leaving. Messes up the game for others at the table .... If you want or have to leave then leave and just sit out .... Nothing like a donk going all in with a crap hand and sucks out your pocket pair or AK for all your chips.... and then says ... lol ...

I imagine you're playing in a play chip tourney, in which case people like to donk a whole lot and go glory (all-in on a whim). This guy's probably new to poker, or just an idiot, and is looking for some quick chips. Likely one of those compulsive gamblers looking for a thrill. Or he's just tired of playing, in which case I agree with you in the sens that he ought to click the sit-out button, and let the game auto-fold the blinds.

Was he giving chips to the same player?

Purposefully moving your chips to a buddy's stack is called "chip dumping" and it is illegal.

If he was just tilting or in a rush or having fun with wild play, and not giving chips to a specific player, it's fine. They are his chips and he can play them any way he wants to.

Wild/crazy play happens a lot more in freerolls. The way to avoid it is to play real money games.

SavagePenguin said:

Was he giving chips to the same player?

Purposefully moving your chips to a buddy's stack is called "chip dumping" and it is illegal.

If he was just tilting or in a rush or having fun with wild play, and not giving chips to a specific player, it's fine. They are his chips and he can play them any way he wants to.

Wild/crazy play happens a lot more in freerolls. The way to avoid it is to play real money games.

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I concur. Beat me to it... :deal:


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This didn't seem like chip dumping...

to me it just seemed like someone was trying to get out and just lose real quick...chip dumping is easy to see if they have a lot of chips and dump to the same person. Perhaps there was an emergency and the player wanted to leave. What I don't like is when someone says guys i gotta go here are my chips..I got a 3 7..because this puts in one player with squat hoping nobody will call and then gets called...and chumpy who said he was leaving pops up with KK

sadly people will always try to cheat unfortunetly the best thing to do is to contact the sites and roll with the punches