Going ALL IN (My Theory) Online Donks

You can do what you want with this information. Flame it if you want, or you can use it and think about it.... I play and try to never go all in unless it is the way to get the most chips out of the hand.... Ex raises and re raises..bc if you think about it really.. If you play the hand through and end up all in then you really did the same purpose.. Now this isn't everytime obv... I am talking more like early stages in a tournament. I find myself going deep in many tournaments using this strategy.. take it or leave it... I laydown trips sometimes just depends how I am running and feeling...

FTPHeHaTeMe said:

I play and try to never do anything unless it is the way to get the most chips out of the hand....

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Well, obviously you should be going for this.

But I know what you mean, I think a lot of this just follows from ICM calculations and knowing $ equity instead of Chip Equity. I have gone very deep in tournaments never going all in, but I won't hesitate to if that's what I think gets me the most money (not chips) in the long run.

FTPHeHaTeMe said:

You can do what you want with this information. Flame it if you want, or you can use it and think about it.... I play and try to never go all in unless it is the way to get the most chips out of the hand.... Ex raises and re raises..bc if you think about it really.. If you play the hand through and end up all in then you really did the same purpose.. Now this isn't everytime obv... I am talking more like early stages in a tournament. I find myself going deep in many tournaments using this strategy.. take it or leave it... I laydown trips sometimes just depends how I am running and feeling...

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Well I can't agree 100% on this statement.All in is a powerful weapon and it should be used from time to time either to leave the impression that you're on steal or that you have the nuts.
I can give you a few examples like when flopping quads and the cards turn at the end in a full house on the table.
Or just having a full house on the flop and by the end the cards turn in an open ended straight.
You can make a lot of money in that case by going all in at the end.
Only my opinion.

I thought this was going to be a blog about idiots who shove all in preflop with rags and suck out. Thats what I think about when you say donks who go all in. But I agree with tubur at a decent table or in a decent position an all in can be a weapon but it can also be a nightmare if you do it to early which is the point I THINK you are trying to make.

There are many, many, many times when I'm pushing allin preflop (ie. in a restead situation... while on say 15-22bb's in SB.. and CO or Btn opens for another preflop raise). I don't always have to have the best hand to shove... many times I am playing my opponent and am going to pick up chips I would otherwise have had very little (or no) chance at.

Yea I even said Early in a tournament.. Like the first hour to 2 I mean when you get AK online it turns into a all in hand...... this is what my point was getting at..... people get 2 overcards and shove and hope to hit that is not poker its the lottery lol... now late in a tournament or short stacked I understand everyone does it but right off the bat 21st hand no I cant see it pre flop

good advice

This is good advice. With all of the donks, and poor players in tournaments in the early stages (especially freerolls and low buy-ins) you are better off to save your self a couple hundred chips to work with if your read is off. a couple hundred chips at the beginning of a tournament is sometimes plenty to get you back into the action!

FTPHeHaTeMe said:

You can do what you want with this information. Flame it if you want, or you can use it and think about it.... I play and try to never go all in unless it is the way to get the most chips out of the hand.... Ex raises and re raises..bc if you think about it really.. If you play the hand through and end up all in then you really did the same purpose.. Now this isn't everytime obv... I am talking more like early stages in a tournament. I find myself going deep in many tournaments using this strategy.. take it or leave it... I laydown trips sometimes just depends how I am running and feeling...

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Some truth in what you are saying - there are spots for all-ins and big raises though, too.

I rarely open shove anything either ...

- but if you have notes on your opponents and know their shoving range calling their all-ins can be your chance to get a blast, imo.

-It depends on the opponent - is he able to fold against a raise, why should I shove ?

-If he's a calling station vs raises but folds to a shove easily and I have the nuts I'd rather lure him into paying me off.

-If he's very aggro he'll pay you off, anyway.

In the games I got deep today I played between (12 and 20 %) of all hands

I think I open shoved 4 or 5 hands altogether, but I called more having some knowledge about opponents shoving range and taking them out.

Btw if your strategy works well why change it too much... ?

I agree that this is a very powerful weapon, that can either makes you make a lot of chips quickly, or get out of the tournament quick too

So I try to take care when I push all-in, or when I'm faced to all-in.

All in is something i would use sparingly, i would use it against an aggressive player who likes to bet big and bluffs a lot. however im always wary of doing so because you essentially end up in a general odds equation

In my observation people who are consistent MTT winners over time, some of u might know the names, are not hesitant to shove on a coin flip (to gamble also with maybe 40% equity) early in tourneys, and sometimes later on. I think this is how they gain early leads to hang on to (or bust); but again, this is apparently a big part of how they stay on top of the rankings.
Mebbe I shouldnt be saying this... ooops...

All-in to me is just another option like calling or raiseing is.If the situation calls for pushing your stack in ,then thats what I do.I will mix in bluff all-in if I believe someones on a steal.
Sucks when you get caught,but part of the game.


Snow

All in is "just" another weapon or tool to be used or abused. Early in tournaments the "two card" specialists hope to double up and have no problem finding callers. Part of the game! I like to do it with big pairs and i'm always surprised how often i'm called. I think how boring poker would be without it.

tubur69 said:

Well I can't agree 100% on this statement.All in is a powerful weapon and it should be used from time to time either to leave the impression that you're on steal or that you have the nuts.
I can give you a few examples like when flopping quads and the cards turn at the end in a full house on the table.
Or just having a full house on the flop and by the end the cards turn in an open ended straight.
You can make a lot of money in that case by going all in at the end.
Only my opinion.

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I agree. And of course everyone has their own style and opinion. But if I know you are willing to lay down trips to an all in shove, I'm shoving baby. It can be a very powerful tool if not abused. I understand what you mean about the early stages of a tourney, it seems like there's usually the 1 person who shoves on the first hand of a tourney hoping to double up and have the chips to pressure their opps, if it works it is a good strategy. Those going all in all the time are going to bust out sooner or later because people will get tired of it and call. Just remember it is a powerful weapon if not abused. I think it was Snow who said he'll all in bluff a percentage of the time, another great strategy, keep them guessing. If I'm in sb against bb and am either short stack or have a larger stack and everyone has folded around to me, I'll do it and usually do not get a call (unless I am really really short stacked and it's a must call with any 2 cards from the bb). That's the other thing, if a short stack shoves on your bb and it costs like 1 more bb to call him - do you fold? When I play live, the regulars all know me and they know I won't even look at my cards, I will call short stacks blind if it's 3bb's or less and I have a healthy stack. More often than not you will find out that your cards are live and if you look you are tempted to throw your trash away. Just my opinion

All in can be a weapon, it depends on the situation shortstacked I rather go all in in a later stage of a tournament, but I have patience especially in freerolls..I can wait until the donks are out, thats why I like the CC freerolls its a pleasure to play there.. good poker with nice ppl, compared to other freerolls where the first hour its more bingo than poker lol

I feel that until you get really low stacked... your idea is great!... It is exactly what i have learned from playing... unless i am sitting with Aces or Kings... i will never call an All in preflop early in a tournament cause it just is bad news... Normally i play pretty tight early in tournaments because so many people wanna double up quick... but your idea is great and it works... it has been working for me for quite a while now!

undone said:

I feel that until you get really low stacked... your idea is great!... It is exactly what i have learned from playing... unless i am sitting with Aces or Kings... i will never call an All in preflop early in a tournament cause it just is bad news... Normally i play pretty tight early in tournaments because so many people wanna double up quick... but your idea is great and it works... it has been working for me for quite a while now!

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Finally someone understands.. I play tight like a tiger and I have seen many cashes and FT's

Only tight passive style bring me prizes. And all-in is just option, which I use sometimes.