How to build a bankroll

waddy · Apr 18, 2009

Why is it harder to start up from low limits than to play high limits? It seems like at the lower limits people just get stupid lucky much more often?

aesopdurasic · Apr 18, 2009

i personally think that at lower limits u have ppl playing just for fun and not really caring if they win or lose where at higher limits ppl tend to know more about poker and care if they win or lose. Thats what i personally think

Blazing_Saddler · Apr 18, 2009

waddy said:
Why is it harder to start up from low limits than to play high limits? It seems like at the lower limits people just get stupid lucky much more often?

It isn't, it's a myth. It is easier to beat bad players than good players. It is less likely you will go broke playing within your roll.

People just don't adjust to playing against calling stations. Think they can bluff them off a hand all the time. Value bet, that is how you beat bad players.

billyth3kid · Apr 18, 2009

low limits people go for impossible chases, call and raise with n e hand... just because there outs are slim doesnt mean they wont hit... only thing i do like about low limit sng..is that 2 or 3 peopel usually get out in the first 15 hands so its not liek trying to play out of 9 its more like placing out of 6 or 7

Jurn8 · Apr 18, 2009

waddy said:
Why is it harder to start up from low limits than to play high limits? It seems like at the lower limits people just get stupid lucky much more often?

Have you ever played 5/10 or 10/20?

If not then I doubt you could handle the players there, there is no doubt that its easier to play against fish than a solid TAG pro. So its totally incorrect for you to say its harder to start at low limits such as 5nl/10nl.

Maybe your playing the limit incorrectly.

wsorbust · Apr 18, 2009

It's easy to beat bad players to a certain extent.
When 5/6 or 8/9 players at a micro ring table are absolute pre-raising donkey/calling stations I'd have to disagree, because try to get a good pocket pair this weekend and actually win with it, you have a far greater percentage of losing the hand than winning. Though I wouldn't call 5/10 any easier. Most of the time it's the same players but with more money imo. You would have to move up a bit further in stakes than 5/10.

The exception would be if you keep getting good cards in the hole, but for me, most of the time I'm sitting there being min pre raised and folding 98% of the crap hole hands while the rest of the table is calling or reraising with theirs. Not to mention hitting.

cardsharkrob · Apr 20, 2009

I think at any size limits doesnt matter bu the biggest thing you need to have is patience to play the game. Normally when i play in a sit and go and not play too many hands or chase. Really just go with your gut. Plus when your bankroll dont go and play above your limits, lots of players get in trouble that way.

During a episode of WPT they said that for a tournament dont want to really risk more than 10 percent of your bankroll for one tournament. I know that doesnt help when your just starting out though.

kidkvno1 · Apr 20, 2009

Blazing_Saddler said:
It isn't, it's a myth. It is easier to beat bad players than good players. It is less likely you will go broke playing within your roll.

People just don't adjust to playing against calling stations. Think they can bluff them off a hand all the time. Value bet, that is how you beat bad players.

Thats true, You really have to watch for calling stations in 2NL, and you have to win some big pots, before they get the idea that you are not going to try bluffing them. I have pushed calling stations off there hand with the right bet size.... What i like is they will still call you even if they only have 1 pair, and you have 2 pair or a higher pair.
Also it is best to start out at 2NL, and get it down, it is also true that you will see the same thing in .05/.10 games as you do in .01/.02.....
I had one player saying about it at a table.

rzrbck1968 · Apr 20, 2009

limits

yes lower limits are hard to get a bankroll started. been trying it myself. so i decided to wait till i get enough built up to get into a $10 or $20 tourny. be a long wait but what can ya do.

-foldemstupid · Apr 20, 2009

Hi all I will say this Ive won trnys with over 2000 ppl and I get creamed playin lower limits,the only way I ever win seems like is if its a freeroll..lol.When I make a deposit(no profit yet)I usually only last a couple of days with it.When I play live I win..Butt Im gonna change my limits this week and deposit $100 on stars,the first tbl Im gonna try is $1/2 nl hl.Wish me luck and I will post my results.Gl all!

Blazing_Saddler · Apr 21, 2009

kidkvno1 said:
Thats true, You really have to watch for calling stations in 2NL, and you have to win some big pots, before they get the idea that you are not going to try bluffing them. I have pushed calling stations off there hand with the right bet size.... What i like is they will still call you even if they only have 1 pair, and you have 2 pair or a higher pair.
Also it is best to start out at 2NL, and get it down, it is also true that you will see the same thing in .05/.10 games as you do in .01/.02.....
I had one player saying about it at a table.

I Have never played $2 NL, as by the time I decided to play cash games, I had already built a bit of a bankroll playing sit n go's. However you are right. $10 NL is full of Stations, well actually there is a mix, there is the uber nits who play like 10/7 and then there are the stations. You just have to think about how to exploit each type of player.

At $25 NL which is were I am, it is a little bit higher standard, but there are still so many players who will call an over bet shove on the river with a pair of Aces and no kicker.

The great thing about stations is they don't bet, so if you are in position it is fine to check behind a lot. If you are playing good cards your hand will usually have some showdown value anyway.

Ice Wolf · Apr 21, 2009

Ide go even farther to say it is easier to build a bankroll with the low LIMIT tables. Allows for much more control although it might take you a little longer you dont lose your azz when someone sucks out big time.

H1R0 · Apr 21, 2009

I found building a bankroll is relatively easy at lower stakes.
Can do this by playing the top 10 hands agressively i.e. aa, kk, qq, jj, 1010, 99, 88, 77 ak(suited), aq(suited) only (or mostly).
Best way is to play around 4 tables so you get these hands relatively often so your less likely to get bored and so less likely to tilt.

bobboss171 · Apr 21, 2009

to build a bankroll

In my opinion you should play in tournaments of low buy uss type 1, 2 uss
and also of several freerolls until you achieve at least 100 uss
to play more tournaments

bfw0082 · Apr 21, 2009

you can listen to all the losers who say bankroll management, and such, they are people playing for pennies and wasting their time trying to do anything more than enjoy poker as a hobby.

If you are interested in earning real then I suggest following what I do:

I play freerolls, win $1 or $300 depending on the prize pool.

then I take my full roll to the ring games and get a healthy amount, usually around $500, takes me about 3 days to get to $500 from $5

If you want to practice BRM, I suggest starting it at an amount that you do not want to lose.

When I have less than $300 in my account I am willing to lose it all at one time, this is where the BRM loser and myself are different and why I am successful while the BRM person is playing literally for pennies.

So when I get to $500 I risk roughly 20% on cash games and 10% on MTTs

After I hit $5,000 then it is 5% on cash games and 3% on MTTs

after $10,000 it is about 4% and 1%

Cool55 · Apr 21, 2009

Bankroll management. play within your bankroll and you shouldn't have a problem. then you will be able to withstand a suckout or two from the many many donks at the lower limits

kidkvno1 · Apr 21, 2009

Blazing_Saddler said:
I Have never played $2 NL, as by the time I decided to play cash games, I had already built a bit of a bankroll playing sit n go's. However you are right. $10 NL is full of Stations, well actually there is a mix, there is the uber nits who play like 10/7 and then there are the stations. You just have to think about how to exploit each type of player.

At $25 NL which is were I am, it is a little bit higher standard, but there are still so many players who will call an over bet shove on the river with a pair of Aces and no kicker.

The great thing about stations is they don't bet, so if you are in position it is fine to check behind a lot. If you are playing good cards your hand will usually have some showdown value anyway.

True, and must you must pick the right time to play them, and with the right hand, and bet they will fold. Though they only get it after you beat them on some big pots

, i like it when they play A rag, i got AK or AQ and hit 2 pair

...
The one thing i have found out is, it is hard to even try a bluff on them, and to anyone who has a calling station at there table, i would say just play your Agame, and don't try to bluff them, and use check alot as Blazing_Saddler said.

brendonius · Apr 21, 2009

bfw0082 said:
you can listen to all the losers who say bankroll management, and such, they are people playing for pennies and wasting their time trying to do anything more than enjoy poker as a hobby.

If you are interested in earning real then I suggest following what I do:

I play freerolls, win $1 or $300 depending on the prize pool.

then I take my full roll to the ring games and get a healthy amount, usually around $500, takes me about 3 days to get to $500 from $5

If you want to practice BRM, I suggest starting it at an amount that you do not want to lose.

When I have less than $300 in my account I am willing to lose it all at one time, this is where the BRM loser and myself are different and why I am successful while the BRM person is playing literally for pennies.

So when I get to $500 I risk roughly 20% on cash games and 10% on MTTs

After I hit $5,000 then it is 5% on cash games and 3% on MTTs

after $10,000 it is about 4% and 1%

lmao @ poster...

Most people can't afford to risk $300 to lose all in one shot and the amount of times you'll actually get lucky and win with it are slim. He's taking a very luck-oriented approach whereas sticking to BRM will assure you can use skill to build up your bankroll and have a cushion to absorb suckouts imo.

As other previous posters have said...avoid bluffing at lowstakes and value bet the hell out of them. GL out there.

xxmommaxx · Apr 21, 2009

waddy said:
Why is it harder to start up from low limits than to play high limits? It seems like at the lower limits people just get stupid lucky much more often?

It's not that it's hard to start up at the lower limits, you basically just have to be patient and taking plenty of notes can help too.

Freerollers and many low limit players tend to play way too many hands. Eventually, this catches up with them. I have learned to take notes on those types of players so that the next time I run into them at a table, I have a heads up. Then I can be careful because I know they could be in the hand with any two cards.

I also take note of patient players for the same reason. I find that I run into players with a note that says "patient" more often at the end of a tournament. I find that there aren't many players left near the end of tournaments with a note that says, "any2willdo"

Tokeard311 · Apr 21, 2009

in mircro limits, if you are aggro enough, you CAN push people out of hands. One trend i noticed is, get above the buy in and its like people bow down to you. If you get below buy-in people wont "respect" you. It weird difficult breed that varies a lot at that limit. I have yet to make it out because 1. i refuse to deposit and 2. my freeroll winnings are never enough to cover the swings or bankroll. GL2U.Play solid smart poker with good bankroll, and you can't go wrong(from what ive read haha).

Tokeard311 · Apr 21, 2009

kidkvno1 said:
True, and must you must pick the right time to play them, and with the right hand, and bet they will fold. Though they only get it after you beat them on some big pots , i like it when they play A rag, i got AK or AQ and hit 2 pair ...
The one thing i have found out is, it is hard to even try a bluff on them, and to anyone who has a calling station at there table, i would say just play your Agame, and don't try to bluff them, and use check alot as Blazing_Saddler said.

yea... dont try to bluff em, hurts you in long run.

have pulled off some bluffs in those limits, but in the end not profitable.

Blazing_Saddler · Apr 23, 2009

bfw0082 said:
you can listen to all the losers who say bankroll management, and such, they are people playing for pennies and wasting their time trying to do anything more than enjoy poker as a hobby.

If you are interested in earning real then I suggest following what I do:

I play freerolls, win $1 or $300 depending on the prize pool.

then I take my full roll to the ring games and get a healthy amount, usually around $500, takes me about 3 days to get to $500 from $5

If you want to practice BRM, I suggest starting it at an amount that you do not want to lose.

When I have less than $300 in my account I am willing to lose it all at one time, this is where the BRM loser and myself are different and why I am successful while the BRM person is playing literally for pennies.

So when I get to $500 I risk roughly 20% on cash games and 10% on MTTs

After I hit $5,000 then it is 5% on cash games and 3% on MTTs

after $10,000 it is about 4% and 1%

All the losers. Like Chris Ferguson, and nearly every other successful poker player there has ever been. I don't see why playing for pennies comes in to it Bankroll management applies whether you are playing for $2 or £2000000. It is fine for you to do what you wish with your money, but I don't think giving others bad advice is good.

Bankroll Management is probably the most important thing in poker. Good players have and will again go busto because they didn't use it.

lektrikguy · Apr 23, 2009

If you look at the percentage you win it should be about the same. You win $2.00 with $5 on a .05 table that could be something like $40 with $100 on a higher table. You gotta start like that until you build your bankroll. If you like to hear more check out Chris Fergusen on Full Tilt Academy. He goes into building a solid bankroll and playing within your limits.

cjyh84 · Apr 23, 2009

well, when you play microlimits, ppl donde give crap about a couple of cents, so you have to adjust your style of play. i think it is as hard do build a bankroll with low or high limits.. it's finally all about being a good enough poker player..

billyth3kid · Apr 23, 2009

honestly... if you want to build ur bankroll play the low limit games... but at the same time get better at the game... learn your odds of catching... pot odd... how hands match up against eachother like AK vs 56 is 60% 40%.....if you go all in with 60% hands expect to place 36% of the time....in a sng 2 double ups and you pretty much placed. the chance of you winning both of your 60% hands is 36%

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