I have Done Extensive Research and Guess What? (Cash Vs Tournament)

Rational Madman · Oct 4, 2017

darthdimsky said:
Again no proof. No research. Just hot air.

Good luck

I gain nothing from inhibiting you to play MTTs...

You fund PS and I like playing their CG

You will find for the exact same brainpower, time put in and clicks in a tournament, you'd produce more profit in cash game if you playing for more than 2.5 hours or so...

ph_il · Oct 5, 2017

Rational Madman said:
I gain nothing from inhibiting you to play MTTs...

You fund PS and I like playing their CG

Are you saying cash games doesn't fund pokerstars or any poker site for that matter?

You probably fund more than an MTT player playing the same buy-in for same period of time.

$2 + .20 Freezeout MTT vs 2nl 9 max cash game, both played for 4 hours.

Unless I'm mistaken, you're paying way more than the .20 rake the MTT player is in that time frame. Especially given that LAG style you talk about.

Rational Madman · Oct 5, 2017

ohshootmybad said:
Are you saying cash games doesn't fund pokerstars or any poker site for that matter?

You probably fund more than an MTT player playing the same buy-in for same period of time.

$2 + .20 Freezeout MTT vs 2nl 9 max cash game, both played for 4 hours.

Unless I'm mistaken, you're paying way more than the .20 rake the MTT player is in that time frame. Especially given that LAG style you talk about.

But I profit

Supmargy · Oct 5, 2017

Rational Madman said:
But I profit

No you SAY you profit.

I know you're alergic to the word but: graphs.

You're trying to prove stuff by saying "its just the way it is because I perceive it to be so", and when you're confronted with real proof you dismiss it because it doesn't stroke with your opinion. You never even argue back with statements, you just say "no".

Rational Madman · Oct 5, 2017

Supmargy said:
No you SAY you profit.

I know you're alergic to the word but: graphs.

You're trying to prove stuff by saying "its just the way it is because I perceive it to be so", and when you're confronted with real proof you dismiss it because it doesn't stroke with your opinion. You never even argue back with statements, you just say "no".

Show your graphs thanks

Supmargy · Oct 5, 2017

Rational Madman said:
Show your graphs thanks

Lets make a deal. Ill show mine and after that you show yours. Im not ashamed or scared of showing im a losing player for now. Check my sharkscope if you want i dont have anything to hide. Probably because I never made a deposit so I have nothing to lose.
The only money ive made is from freerolls, promos and rakeback. I probably gambled a few hundred and lost around 40. Not sure exactly as i play a lot on my phone.
I started at 0.00 and now im at ~42$. Total from freerolls is around 60 and i estimate a ~20$ gain from promos on stars.

Ill post some mtt and cash game graphs as soon as im on a pc.
If you have any request I can post that as well.

Rational Madman · Oct 5, 2017

Supmargy said:
Lets make a deal. Ill show mine and after that you show yours. Im not ashamed or scared of showing im a losing player for now. Check my sharkscope if you want i dont have anything to hide. Probably because I never made a deposit so I have nothing to lose.
The only money ive made is from freerolls, promos and rakeback. I probably gambled a few hundred and lost around 40. Not sure exactly as i play a lot on my phone.
I started at 0.00 and now im at ~42$. Total from freerolls is around 60 and i estimate a ~20$ gain from promos on stars.

Ill post some mtt and cash game graphs as soon as im on a pc.
If you have any request I can post that as well.

When I am playing at good stakes I will have something to show off.

Supmargy · Oct 5, 2017

Rational Madman said:
When I am playing at good stakes I will have something to show off.

Thats the problem isnt it? You've got nothing to show yet you demand it from others.
You are not succesfull and yet you share your "wisdom and knowledge" trying to instruct others. Others that ARE successfull in this game try to point out respectfully why they think you're wrong and you dismiss them anyway.

You have so many double standards, its unbelievable. Your signature is the exact opposite of what you are.

And to top it all of at the poker table you insult other cc members when you lose a hand due to a bad beat. I don't wanna know what you say to others when you're not at a CC tournament.

I really love how this community interacts and the atmosphere in every thread you haven't posted. It's a shame you poison most of the threads you post in.

I know what I'd do if I were an admin but hey I'm not so see you later I guess.

MattRyder · Oct 5, 2017

It would be interesting to see some actual objective research on the subject. I'm sure it's been done by either the big poker sites and/or the casinos, but I'm also equally sure that they wouldn't want to share the results.

I personally can't see how there can really be any disagreement. The average recreational player clearly doesn't have the bankroll or the time to make any kind of significant money playing tournaments. Sure there will always be the occasional lucky big win, but that's not going to happen time and time again for the average player.

ph_il · Oct 5, 2017

Rational Madman said:
But I profit

My reply had nothing to do with you profiting/not profiting at the cash games.

You made a comment to an MTT player about them "funding" pokerstars, but all games on the site have rake, so you're funding the site just as well. Playing cash games doesn't exclude you from that.

Also, as I mentioned, if we compared a freezeout MTT vs Cash Game with similar buy-in, played for the same amount of time, the cash game is paying more in rake. Lets say both is for 4 hours.

$2 + .20 MTT is only paying .20 in rake. It's a fixed amount.
$2nl 9-max player is going to paying ~.60+ in rake in the same amount of time.

And for the record, I profit as well in MTTs, as do a lot of MTT players. Don't know if you were trying to sound exclusive in that department as well, just because you play cash games.

ph_il · Oct 5, 2017

Rational Madman said:
When I am playing at good stakes I will have something to show off.

Do you mean real money stakes?

If not, what exactly are "good stakes"?

ph_il · Oct 5, 2017

Rational Madman said:
Show your graphs thanks

I'll bite.

Sample size is a bit small because I'm more of a recreational MTT player that doesn't put in as much volume as before.

99% of games are re-buy/re-entry MTTs.

Buy-ins ranged from: $0-$1.65.

So, decent MTT graph for a recreational player. I mean, if a foolish MTT player like myself can profit these games (peep those 30-40+ game downswings), then surely a cash game player of your (boasting) skill level should be doing well.

Lets see that graph!

EDIT: This isn't a graph measuring contest by any means. It's more of a "can you back up what you are claiming" sort of thing, because you do say a lot but don't show a lot either. As a micro-stakes MTT player, if I were to come out saying a bunch of things about how to crush .25-$1 MTTs, I think I should have some proof to back up what I'm saying.

AlexTheOwl · Oct 5, 2017

Quiet You Fools!

Don't you realize you are talking to ONE OF THE BEST CASH GAME PLAYERS ON EARTH!

I don't mind the madman. I enjoy asking him questions sometimes to see what he'll come up with next.

It's like dealing with someone who thinks they are Napoleon. They can be amusing, you feel bad for them, and there's not really much point in arguing with them.

gon4iypes · Oct 5, 2017

I just love reading about you guys bashing each other. You all have valid points...it depends which angle you look at it from

Rational Madman · Oct 5, 2017

ohshootmybad said:
Do you mean real money stakes?

If not, what exactly are "good stakes"?

the one above 10NL i think is 25NL

Rational Madman · Oct 5, 2017

Supmargy said:
Thats the problem isnt it? You've got nothing to show yet you demand it from others.
You are not succesfull and yet you share your "wisdom and knowledge" trying to instruct others. Others that ARE successfull in this game try to point out respectfully why they think you're wrong and you dismiss them anyway.

You have so many double standards, its unbelievable. Your signature is the exact opposite of what you are.

And to top it all of at the poker table you insult other cc members when you lose a hand due to a bad beat. I don't wanna know what you say to others when you're not at a CC tournament.

I really love how this community interacts and the atmosphere in every thread you haven't posted. It's a shame you poison most of the threads you post in.

I know what I'd do if I were an admin but hey I'm not so see you later I guess.

The only toxic person i this entire thread so far has been you.

ph_il · Oct 5, 2017

Rational Madman said:
the one above 10NL i think is 25NL

Why can't you post graphs of 2nl?

Rational Madman · Oct 5, 2017

ohshootmybad said:
Why can't you post graphs of 2nl?

didnt pay for full version

Alucard · Oct 5, 2017

Rational Madman said:
didnt pay for full version

what's with the lame excuses? You don't need the full version to see, copy paste the graphs.
Don't be a pu**y. Show some balls & prove the naysayers that they are wrong. Not with your mouth. But by stats & results. It's just that simple.

Rational Madman · Oct 5, 2017

Alucard said:
what's with the lame excuses? You don't need the full version to see, copy paste the graphs.
Don't be a pu**y. Show some balls & prove the naysayers that they are wrong. Not with your mouth. But by stats & results. It's just that simple.

trial period is over

Supmargy · Oct 6, 2017

Rational Madman said:
When I am playing at good stakes I will have something to show off.

It's a shame you need to find yourself in a very specific situation before you dare to do what you ask of others. Almost as if you lie to yourself about being right or wrong.

I probably won't bother to take the bait after this again, since anything someone else says clearly doesn't have any effect on you. But I promised you some graphs, so here they are. This is from my wife's pc. I have more graphs on my own if you want to.

As far as me being toxic: yeah maybe I was a bit agressive. But on the other hand you have called many people toxic and haters only because they call you out on your bullshit or because they disagree. And instead of argueing back, you just dismiss it. So I guess it's up to us to do the same.

Also I really really hope you stop insulting people ingame. That is the ony reason I lashed out at you in this thread.

AlexTheOwl · Oct 6, 2017

Let's not have a graph-measuring contest. I understand the desire to debunk bogus claims of greatness. But it doesn't lead anywhere productive.

If you make a good point, or ask an intelligent question, I don't care if your graph looks like someone falling off a cliff.

Likewise, if you are spouting nonsense, I don't care if you are somehow massively profitable.

Zorba · Oct 7, 2017

Rational Madman said:
So they won three allins to go from short to leader without luck involved? Stop talking out your a** on every thread I make.

If good judgment to you relates to winning 3 all ins and if that is all you can reply with then you need to work on your game.

Stop being so precious, you can't pick and choose what answers you get to whatever inane thread you make.

Hitch up your skirt Nancy

😂

Zorba · Oct 7, 2017

darthdimsky said:
And no, I'm not attacking you here. I gain nothing from trying to put you down.

If you challenge what he says with logic he gets a bit teary.

😂

Zorba · Oct 7, 2017

Rational Madman said:
Nope usually it's the lag fish who gets first second the level headed hers sixth and below

What study do you base this outrageous claim.

😂

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