my rant of pissed off nessPoker Orifice said:I do understand not wanting to re-deposit.
I doubt you do because...
Here's where I have a question though.... what is it that you're hoping to learn from the play chip games? I mean if you think you can be a winning player in the micros then to me it makes full sense to just deposit a small sum of money & work on the areas you need to focus on (even if that means 'tilt management' &/or BRM).
In a perfect world that's how it should be, but this world is far from perfect and it doesn't work that way because we are people and not robots. Most poker players simply don't have the will power to implement your strategy seeing as there is a negative past associated with depositing such a small amount trying to chase a memory of what once was.
If he were to take your route then once bad variance hit he'd start to glance at his measly bankroll in comparison to the one he once had and all sorts of emotions would set in. Doubt, anger, frustration, self loathing (feeling like a loser for even attempting this) and above all a sense of urgency.
Now, he's making bad decisions as his confidence starts to wither away and his game suffers. Before you know it he's deposited again and the cycle continues. He needs to break the cycle! This is the much more likely outcome resulting from a small redeposit for most people.
What I'm getting at is.... the 'learning process' while playing poker is a never-ending process BUT I think if you were to spend time in the playchip games (&/or reg. freerolls) they'll just stunt your growth as a player (kinda like they'll be a waste of time... because there's nothing we're really learning while playing them... stagnating to a degree). And if anything, one can pick up alot of bad habits from them (even if one is making the effort to re-adjust when making the move back to real money micro tables).
The main priority of any poker player should be to improve their will power. In the end this is what separates the successful players from the degenerates. Come to think of it, Poker After Dark's latest commercial illustrates this pretty damn well.
It takes a tremendous amount of will power to not only accumulate 20 million play money chips, but to do it in a timely fashion and actually stay the course as opposed to calling it quits once you've reached 5-10 million. On the other hand you might hit 20 million, but it'll cost you 2 months because you (to quote you), "develop bad habits" and stop playing poker with the proper fundamentals along the way when the suck outs start to sting. This is contributed to lack of will power.
Most people who play for real money (SNG's, MTT's & Cash Games) say they will wait until they have 'x' buy in's before they move up to 'y' limit, but usually move up to 'y' limit well before they actually have 'x' buy ins because they lack the will power to overcome the sense of urgency.
Ironically enough, the only way to ever earn 20 million play chips in the shortest amount of time is to have the will power to be patient and overcome that sense of urgency. The same applies when playing for real money. People in positions like OP and myself who take the play chips route attach value to our play chips, which is what I think most with your view of play money overlook, and thus further improve the fundamentals of their game (will power) while gaining confidence.
While the game does get tougher, as the limits grow higher, the goal is always the same and that is to beat the game. At 2NL there is very little fold equity, so it's best not to bluff most of the time. Thus, there's really nothing to learn except patience and will power to get to higher limits where you can improve your game. The same applies with play money. In other words, according to you (though unbeknownst to you), you are wasting your time playing at 2NL the same way you would be wasting your time playing with play money.
The difference between 2NL and play money is that it consistently only takes a couple of weeks to make 20 million chips or $80 because the games are so soft while just as much will power is required. Try that at 2NL while playing ABC without having a million tables open.
I find this happening for myself a bit, when I spend time on some sites where I have a small bankroll (I have a few sites that I've ground up from a freeroll cash)... 10-tabling 2nl one day & then attempting to play a $109 freezeout the next (did this last week & went out on the first hand I played in a deepstacked Sun.Tourney, lol).... just kinda screws me up a bit... it takes me out of my groove. (not sure if I'm getting my point across at all???).
Case and point.
Personally I think you'd be far better off to just put down any kind of small deposit (even if it's just $25), & then attempting to grind it up from there. (oh yah... & of course 'go for the final table in the CC Freerolls!!!)
In the end, if you don't have the will power to; reach 20 million chips, not develop bad habits in the process, learn respect for discipline, bankroll management and patience all in a timely fashion (which is inevitable if your will power has improved) then you are shooting yourself in the foot by making a small redeposit considering what once was. The entire point of play money is to practice and the OP along with myself realize we need to practice and develop our will power. Nothing wrong with the CC freerolls though.
GL on the journey!
-Phil Ivey27 said:
-Phil Ivey27 said:
Aldito said:
This is so cool. Awesome thing you're doing, man:congrats:. OP, good luck with the next run, play well and keep us posted.jjbish said:To give you a lil hope maybe?
I started with $0 and gained my initial BR the old fashioned freeroll way back when it wasn't quite as daunting. From there I have had 4 "real" BR's playing over rolled as hi as 2-4 plo. Each time I've had to cash it out due to life happens. But each time I had $5 to $ 25 left and started over. in fact now I'm at the micro's again
As sickening, and disheartening, as it is. It happens! You are not the first or the last. But have you learned the way so that it is "your" last time?
I will spot you $10 on stars to get you going again if you PM me your stars name and city ( as long as you have a clean history. hate to get my acct closed, just being safe). And you show you will be smart with it.
BUT I expect $10 back in the future after you have rebuilt your roll. Nothing is free
Aldito said:
The Dark Side said:
Not tring to say anything out of the way but a few weeks ago you started a thread about taking shots outside(proper bm).I think this is a end result of that type of thinking.Don't get me wrong bm is by FAR FAR my worst part of poker,but i do not think you'll get over this problem.Because i am the same way an i still have not over come this.Much luck to ya though an keep this one updated unlike the other please.-Phil Ivey27 said:
JOEBOB69 said:
-Phil Ivey27 said:
PattyR said:
Ouch...-Phil Ivey27 said:
PattyR said: